Curse

Jackell · May 09, 2005, 06:15 PM // 18:15

You don't need a pet, you can survive very well and be just as effective without one.

It's just another way of playing that you have the option to check out. This games great because every class has eleventy-billion ways to play them.

grimmolly · May 09, 2005, 06:18 PM // 18:18

I find rangers who own me usually don't do it with damage. The possible exception is traps to finish people off. They control the pace of combat with energy drain attacks, interrupts, and nature rituals.

SOT · May 09, 2005, 06:32 PM // 18:32

All I can say in final defense of the ranger class is this:

if:]
ranger: when 15+ marksmanship
+
mesmer: when +12 domination magic

then:]
you: paste on the floor

theoretically speaking of course, I haven't become a god yet

Lasher Dragon · May 09, 2005, 06:37 PM // 18:37

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Originally Posted by Etang

I have already put 100+ hours into this game and I have yet to see a good ranger. I have had a ton of one on ones with rangers and they all end up running away. And I the only one that thinks rangers are broken?

FYI I am a monk/ele.

Well, for one, rangers ideally attack FROM RANGE.

I haven't played much PvP, but from my experience as an 18th R/W in PvE, I know if I saw the typical W/Monk gorilla bearing down on me, first thing is Pin Down, then Hunter's Shot to get you bleeding, then I would hit Lightning Reflexes and shoot you as many times as I can before you close or Pin Down wears off. Retreat, rinse & repeat. Also, I would be keeping an eye out for you to heal and use Distracting Shot.

Xarian · May 09, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

The fact is that playing a ranger, whether in PvE or in PvP, requires intelligence. You can't simply use one of the ranger templates in the PvP character generator and beat the crap out of everyone, which is what I see a lot of W/Mo and such do.

Rather than asking why rangers suck, you should perhaps be asking why they have no way to deal with enchantments outside of a crappy nature spirit...

Jackell · May 09, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

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Originally Posted by Xarian

Rather than asking why rangers suck, you should perhaps be asking why they have no way to deal with enchantments outside of a crappy nature spirit...

True, when I get hexed, all I can do is run to my nearest monk like there's a spider on my shoulder.

"Ooooh ooh, get it off, get it off!!!!

nechronius · May 09, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Rangers just aren't designed for toe-to-toe fighting. No ranger is going to out-duke a warrior class in melee combat so don't bother. Playing a ranger/monk I find that I'm spending more and more time supporting the rest of the PvE or PvP group than actually being the one fighting, other than the occasional distracting shot or long distance poke. Unfortunately that usually leaves me as the last one standing which leads to inevitable death as the warriors chase me around endlessly.

Strictly speaking the ranger class itself does not seem well suited to actual combat. I've noticed that talking about beating others involves relying on the secondary skills to actually finish the opponent. It is a support role class however and can be entertaining to play if you understand its strengths and shortcomings.

Gh0sT · May 09, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Im only lvl 15, but most times in the arena im the one duking out the most damage even more then most warriors...(im a R/E, but i dont have conjure yet so i use R skills only)

I can use all different skills but for example when i use Kindle Arrows + a good attacking shot like dual shot, hunter shot or penetrating attack (warriors) from a high ventage point i can easilly do over 100 damage per shot... (killing a target in 4 to 5 shots), it can easilly become more when they start moving...

The only way i get really owned (which happens a lot if the team is crap) is when warriors (1 i can handle but 2 gets too much usually) are beating in on me, or when i get hexed and like 3 conjure phantasms on me... ...as to quote jackell:

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When I get hexed, all I can do is run to my nearest monk like there's a spider on my shoulder.

"Ooooh ooh, get it off, get it off!!!!"

I also use a pet, but thats more because a pet is kickass then because its valuable, on the contrary, it dies pretty quick which gives me a 8 seconds "cant use skills" penalty...
They can be good at getting in the way of the enemy, and when they dont pay attention they are like little DoT's

Xphile · May 09, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Hellsent_Saint

This might be a lil off topic but do rangers need a pet? and also I have been wanting to play a ranger due to my well bordome of slice and dice method of playing with my warrior. I am looking for a good balanced ranger build that is a good asset to the team. my guild mates have suggested eaither going ele or mes or necro for my secondary so out of those three which would you guys/gals say would be best. now the only technique i know on using a ranger is gaining high ground and moving around alot while the tanks hold them in place. so plz help me decide plz...

I prefer not to have a pet. Number one reason is that you can't pull enemies in PvE. You go to attack something and fluffy decides to bring down the whole army back with it instead of just an enemy squad. I find myself cursing other rangers in my group when they have pets and try to "pull"

Jackell · May 09, 2005, 08:06 PM // 20:06

I actually have better luck pulling with Muffin than without. I always found that I run to shoot Mr. Chumba and he brings all the Wumbas with him. But I pretend to attack, and stop, well, Muffin runs dutifully to the mob to draw it's agro, then, realizes that I'm tying my shoe and runs back to me, bringing the soon to be dead mob right to me.

Lasher Dragon · May 09, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

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Originally Posted by Xphile

I prefer not to have a pet. Number one reason is that you can't pull enemies in PvE. You go to attack something and fluffy decides to bring down the whole army back with it instead of just an enemy squad. I find myself cursing other rangers in my group when they have pets and try to "pull"

I pull with a pet easily. Get a longbow, pick an enemy (not attack-pick, just pick) and use Power Shot. As soon as it fires, click on the ground near your toon. The pet will stop and come back.

Xphile · May 09, 2005, 08:18 PM // 20:18

Only issue I have is when the mob he brings back with him is then 20+ monsters.

Legendari · May 09, 2005, 08:36 PM // 20:36

I'm a ranger and I'll gladly admit that rangers with bows are pretty pathetic by themselves. As a support class, they are decent and can be the ones to really turn the tide of a fight (and from a distance). I dumped my bow all together and went with a melee build for my R/W... The whole marksmanship line just took too much of a beating from the nerf bat in my opinion. However, I guarantee that if we had met on opposite teams, you might have second-guessed making this post

I'm sure there are quite a few monks and W/Mo out there that didn't expect my gimpy little ranger to trot up to them and cut them down as if their asses were grass and I was the lawnmower

In all of the PvP I did yesterday, I think I died from a W/Mo maybe once or twice and it was either because I was getting a little too ****y and trying to fight with half health, or I was the only one left alive and they had monks chain healing them.

VividDream · May 09, 2005, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Mo/E? Bring it. R/Me owns you

VividDream · May 09, 2005, 08:45 PM // 20:45

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Originally Posted by nechronius

Rangers just aren't designed for toe-to-toe fighting. No ranger is going to out-duke a warrior class in melee combat so don't bother.

I've killed Wammos when we were the last two players on our respective teams with comparable health... Pin down and pelt them with arrows. Throw dirt/Whirling Def when they get too close. Savage shot/power leak when they try to signet or healing and you've basically turned them into a low dmg gimp

Pevil Lihatuh · May 09, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

heh well i had a very quick go with a half-unlocked ranger in pvp today; out of 5 matches the team i was in 3 times (and i admit im rubbish at pvp :P) lol and 2 of the victories, my ranger was the only one of 2 standing. So he obviously wasn't totally rubbish

Admittedly one of the losses for the team, he was last one standing and got totally pummelled on so he went down fast; the 2nd defeat we just weren't very organised.

FrodoFraggins · May 09, 2005, 10:49 PM // 22:49

Decide what you want to do with your ranger before you enter pvp.

Do you want to shut down casters?

Do you want to do huge single target damage (Shock sniper?)

Do you want to do a little of everything?

The key to desigining and playing any class really, is to decide what you want your roll to be, and then go from there.

Macel · May 10, 2005, 02:03 AM // 02:03

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Originally Posted by nechronius

Rangers just aren't designed for toe-to-toe fighting. No ranger is going to out-duke a warrior class in melee combat so don't bother. Playing a ranger/monk I find that I'm spending more and more time supporting the rest of the PvE or PvP group than actually being the one fighting, other than the occasional distracting shot or long distance poke. Unfortunately that usually leaves me as the last one standing which leads to inevitable death as the warriors chase me around endlessly.

Strictly speaking the ranger class itself does not seem well suited to actual combat. I've noticed that talking about beating others involves relying on the secondary skills to actually finish the opponent. It is a support role class however and can be entertaining to play if you understand its strengths and shortcomings.

Totally wrong. My ranger can solo warriors (most people for that matter) in the level 17 arena... You have to realize that rangers ARENT all about damage dealing though. If you fit for nothing but damage you'll do less than a mage and die nearly as fast.. Place the right combination and timing of skills and you can tank nearly as well as a warrior, heal nearly as well as a monk and do damage in between that of a warrior and a full on nuker all at once...

I was able to kill a warrior, toe to toe, who had 2 other warriors and a ranger helping him to try and kill me... (They got me right after, of course)... But that's a good example.

Last Gasp · May 10, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

oathshot + throw dirt = pissed off warriors, lol. I've had 3 of them swinging at me(and missing) while I stood there and kept shooting at their healer, hehehe.

Defafnyr · May 10, 2005, 02:44 AM // 02:44

I really think a lot of this has to do with play-style. I've seen some classes really do alot played by one person, and totally bite when played by another. I've also noticed that in this game, the class that was the epitome of your playstyle in any other game is not at all the same as in this game.