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quanzong · Jul 09, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

people are all talking about KNOCKDOWN warriors, I dont really see anything special about them, they knockdown someone for 1 second big deal.
I personally think SWORD/ BLEEDER warriors are better, because if you have a BARBED CRYSTALLINE SWORD OF FORTITUDE like me, I think it makes your opponent bleed until they have 2/3 health left. Might be slow, but its kind of like conjure phantom, and those necromancer bleeding skills. + If you have skills that hurt people around them each time they get another side effect or whatever, BLEEDING contribues, unlike Knockdown. Also it could irrate some healers if they dont have a spell that makes you unbleed, and they could be off guard and you might get a free kill since monk wasnt notified that someone was near death.
I dont really see use in hammers though, there slow, normally your in long battle and sword is better after like 30 seconds, knockdown is only to one person, (SWORD WARRIORS CAN USE AFTERSHOCK) no really good use for it, since with Sword and Shield, you got dmg, + whatever is on shield like +energy, recieved damage -2, etc.

Well now you guys agree with me that SWORD WARRIORS are much better than HAMMER WARRIORS?

Eonwe · Jul 09, 2005, 12:27 AM // 00:27

1 second? The knock-locks I do last more around 4-5

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Kishin · Jul 09, 2005, 12:40 AM // 00:40

And can be used to interrupt someone, and are quite effective at surpressing spellcasters. Whereas Bleeding from Sever or Deep Wound from Gash can be cured fairly easily with Mend Ailment. The best thing about sword is really its potential for spike damage in Final Thrust.

And um, the whole point of using Aftershock is to use it on an already knocked down foe for extra damage, which is why its carried by hammer warriors. Sure, sword warriors can use it, but they don't have a means to generate knockdown.

IMO, sword takes third in usefulness behind hammers and axes (which lay down a lot more damage).

Odd Sock · Jul 09, 2005, 12:56 AM // 00:56

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Originally Posted by quanzong

they knockdown someone for 1 second big deal.

They knockdown someone for more than 1 second buddy, but whatever let's go on.

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Originally Posted by quanzong

I personally think SWORD/ BLEEDER warriors are better, because if you have a BARBED CRYSTALLINE SWORD OF FORTITUDE like me, I think it makes your opponent bleed until they have 2/3 health left.

iI'm just wondering why you think Crystalline Sword is better than say an average PvP sword. Regardless bleeding only causes 3 pips of health degen which equates to a net 6 damage per second. 6DPS isn't particularly fantastic. Besides who cares about increased bleeding duration, Sever Artery is 4 adrenaline so that means by the time it's recharged the opponent is still bleeding and you can reapply it.

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Might be slow, but its kind of like conjure phantom, and those necromancer bleeding skills.

You mean Conjure Phantasm and Phantom Pain. By the way Conjure Phantasm is 5 pips not 3. And why would anyone use Phantom Pain ?

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+ If you have skills that hurt people around them each time they get another side effect or whatever,

I don't know what that's supposed to mean

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BLEEDING contribues, unlike Knockdown

So a knocklock warrior can shut down a monk on the floor for roughly 6 seconds. That's 6 seconds he isn't doing anything and if no one heals him you WILL kill him. You're comparing this to 6 damage per second that would take roughly 66 seconds to kill a 400hp target. Fine you whack him a few times in between but is that raelly comparable ? Before you answer: no it's not.

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Also it could irrate some healers if they dont have a spell that makes you unbleed, and they could be off guard and you might get a free kill since monk wasnt notified that someone was near death.

You mean Mend Condition ? Lots of people carry that so gg. By the way bleed is so slow and it'll never be fast enough to ''Get a free kill''

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I dont really see use in hammers though, there slow, normally your in long battle and sword is better after like 30 seconds, knockdown is only to one person, (SWORD WARRIORS CAN USE AFTERSHOCK)

Lol so you're saying that if you use hammers, you're not going to be able to bring aftershock ? And it's good on a sword guy since you're NOT knocking down your target ? Hmmmm you might be catching something that isn't there.

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Well now you guys agree with me that SWORD WARRIORS are much better than HAMMER WARRIORS?

No. Convince me with something intelligent as of why my hammer warriors that can kill in 6 seconds aren't better than than a bleeding swordsman (oh that makes me laugh) that would take 66 seconds to down a target with bleeding skills and that uses Aftershock on targets that aren't knocked down,

Scaphism · Jul 09, 2005, 12:58 AM // 00:58

Eonwe, you obviously missed the entire point of his post:

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if you have a BARBED CRYSTALLINE SWORD OF FORTITUDE like me

Shiny! Where can I get one?

In other words, it looks to me like you want to brag about you skillz/equipment rather than discuss what makes an effective player. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I got's ta get me one of dem swordz tho!

Vanquisher · Jul 09, 2005, 01:02 AM // 01:02

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Also it could irrate some healers if they dont have a spell that makes you unbleed, and they could be off guard and you might get a free kill since monk wasnt notified that someone was near death.

So this is why we've lost! We don't have unbleed

Odd Sock · Jul 09, 2005, 01:12 AM // 01:12

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So this is why we've lost! We don't have unbleed

Yea we should brnig First Aid packs as of now. Stitches 4tw. You have to drop it close to their feet though, or else the ennemies will use them too. Unbleeding is a bitch to find in groups.

Creed · Jul 09, 2005, 02:09 AM // 02:09

Can i ask how exacty you're going to bleed a hammer warrior? Whats that....? As you attack he hits you with a knock down your adrenline is gone and your attack does'nt come out.

While your down for all that time he can use a healing signet. Or simply using crushing blow to cause you serious problems. Or better yet hit you with a skill which can knock you down for 5 secounds due to his special gloves.

Hammer just interrupts which acuses huge problems for most classes and knock downs are the worst intterupts there are. Speical when the knock down causes weakness. Or you're down for 4-5 secounds.

Put it this way, go to dragons lair.. get to the Warrior facet and see those tremors? See how lnog you sit on your ass? Welcome to the world of a hammer warrior.

Minwanabi · Jul 09, 2005, 04:56 AM // 04:56

You guys... and I got yelled at for being mean in here =P

quanzong · Jul 09, 2005, 05:52 AM // 05:52

Yeah but look at hammer skills, says knockdown, means 1 seconds, theres only 1 skill that knocksdown for 4 seconds BACKBREAKER.
Yes I like to brag about my Crystalline sword, its VERY VERY RARE, I'm happy I have one.
Swords are better, they make the monk take TIME same as knockdown, to take off the bleeding, and after that time is DONE, you can make them bleed again, and if they start using a healing spell on themselves, you'll be close to final thrust because there trapped in doing two things heal self, take away bleeding. Its not like you just going to make him bleed and run away, your going to ADD to it with gash, and other tatics, and since IM a warrior mesmer, I can make that monk very very mad at me.

QuixotesGhost · Jul 09, 2005, 06:05 AM // 06:05

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Originally Posted by quanzong

Yeah but look at hammer skills, says knockdown, means 1 seconds, theres only 1 skill that knocksdown for 4 seconds BACKBREAKER.
Yes I like to brag about my Crystalline sword, its VERY VERY RARE, I'm happy I have one.
Swords are better, they make the monk take TIME same as knockdown, to take off the bleeding, and after that time is DONE, you can make them bleed again, and if they start using a healing spell on themselves, you'll be close to final thrust because there trapped in doing two things heal self, take away bleeding. Its not like you just going to make him bleed and run away, your going to ADD to it with gash, and other tatics, and since IM a warrior mesmer, I can make that monk very very mad at me.

Oh jeez, I'm now embarrassed to be a sword-packing W/Me. There's reasons to take swords over axes and hammers, but bleeding (while nice) is not it.

Moltov joss · Jul 09, 2005, 06:15 AM // 06:15

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Originally Posted by quanzong

Yeah but look at hammer skills, says knockdown, means 1 seconds, theres only 1 skill that knocksdown for 4 seconds BACKBREAKER.
Yes I like to brag about my Crystalline sword, its VERY VERY RARE, I'm happy I have one.
Swords are better, they make the monk take TIME same as knockdown, to take off the bleeding, and after that time is DONE, you can make them bleed again, and if they start using a healing spell on themselves, you'll be close to final thrust because there trapped in doing two things heal self, take away bleeding. Its not like you just going to make him bleed and run away, your going to ADD to it with gash, and other tatics, and since IM a warrior mesmer, I can make that monk very very mad at me.

So mend ailment takes enough time casting for your adrenaline to recarge? Sorry bub but the time it takes me to heal a condition is moot to how long it takes your adrenline to recharge. Let me tell you as a monk who has played with pugs in Tombs that the only warrior im worried about is a hammer warrior period. They knock me flat on my ass and trust me its WAY worse than bleeding. Knocking a monk down is by far the most effective way to kill him, i.e. when im on the ground I cant heal myself. Add to that if your focoused it makes for one dead monk.

Racthoh · Jul 09, 2005, 07:47 AM // 07:47

Comparing bleeding to knockdown is a fight that will end up in the knockdown player's favour. The only comparable skills that swords have to hammers are Savage Slash and Final Thrust. Savage Slash because swords are faster than hammers so you can bide your time until you see that they're casting a spell. And Final Thrust because the spike damage it deals is just wonderful. Bleeding is not a very reliable strategy, and why you didn't mention Gash is beyond me. Losing their life over time is fine but at least use gash for 20% decrease in their life total.

Although if monks know that they're going to be the target of knockdown/aftershock warriors... be a mo/w for Balanced Stance/Dolyak Symbol and mock the stupid warrior.

Xellos · Jul 09, 2005, 08:28 AM // 08:28

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Originally Posted by Scaphism

Eonwe, you obviously missed the entire point of his post:

Shiny! Where can I get one?

In other words, it looks to me like you want to brag about you skillz/equipment rather than discuss what makes an effective player. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I got's ta get me one of dem swordz tho!

Scaph, you got to admit, a high damage Crystalline Sword is definately rare enough to be The Grandfather of Guild Wars. I mean, seriously, we all know Fissure armour has secret bonuses too.

ZING · Jul 09, 2005, 08:40 AM // 08:40

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Originally Posted by Odd Sock

No. Convince me with something intelligent as of why my hammer warriors that can kill in 6 seconds aren't better than than a bleeding swordsman (oh that makes me laugh) that would take 66 seconds to down a target with bleeding skills and that uses Aftershock on targets that aren't knocked down,

I'll ignore everything the original post said, because it's pretty out there. But i'll matter of factly state there isn't a Warrior weapon that can cause more damage then a sword. More specifically, there's nothing more powerful then a W.R using a Sword.

Xellos · Jul 09, 2005, 08:48 AM // 08:48

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Originally Posted by ZING

I'll ignore everything the original post said, because it's pretty out there. But i'll matter of factly state there isn't a Warrior weapon that can cause more damage then a sword. More specifically, there's nothing more powerful then a W.R using a Sword.

So, I guess Ensign's calculation table on the weapons was wrong.

How could you Starkfist?

Secondly, Warrior/Ranger? Wow. Just wow. Let me guess, Tigers Fury? Apply Poison? IGNITE ARROW?

No no, of course not. I do not take you for a fool. I know you abuse Troll Ungeant in tombs.

Makkert · Jul 09, 2005, 10:01 AM // 10:01

wow.
i giggle here and there about the remarks...but this thread is just mean.
flamy...more then my silly taunts... got some learning to do.

peace,
Makk.

Scaphism · Jul 09, 2005, 10:22 AM // 10:22

I stand by my first comment; until you prove (with evidence) otherwise, you're just in here to brag.

Quanzong, most knockdowns only last 1 second. The exceptions are backbreaker and Gale. However, any hammer warrior who doesn't use Stonefist gauntlets is a fool. They make all your knockdowns take 2(?) extra seconds. So while on paper it may look like knockdowns only last 1 second, the first step, before you leave for the PVP arenas, is to grab a pair of stonefist gauntlets. It's more important than having a crystalline sword even.

If you have any other questions about the game, please feel free to ask, but don't pretend to know more than others around here- you're asking to be ridiculed.

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Yes I like to brag about my Crystalline sword, its VERY VERY RARE, I'm happy I have one.

Congratulations again.