Curse

funbun · Jun 01, 2005, 04:00 PM // 16:00

I would love 1v1 duels. That would be cool.

Edge Martinez · Jun 02, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57

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Originally Posted by Kaylee Ann

But hey, if they ever implement 1v1 you and I are going to dance....

Ooh... 1v1 would be awesome.

By the way, I agree with you Kaylee. Monks are no real match for a competent mesmer. I play a monk primary, mesmer secondary. I know in PvE Mesmer works really well against the mobs. In PvP simple mesmer secondaries eat monk primaries alive. I like to group with at least 3 mesmers... it can all be secondaries or even a primary one. Of course the enemy monk gets attacked first, and the first thing those mesmers do? 3 Arcane Thievery's and snag 3 of his skills. Then 2 Backfires and Imagined Burden. They go down quick.

Maybe it sounds cannibalistic, but in PvP I love to kill monks with my Mo/Me. I like Mesmer so much I recently started the Me/W build, though I think I may switch out to Me/E.

funbun · Jun 02, 2005, 12:24 PM // 12:24

Yeah, I'm thinking of starting a Mesmer. Monks always go down first. I think I will keep my Mo/Me for PvE and start a new Me/E or Me/R called Monk Killer, lol. Monks just don't hold up in PvP. No matter what I try I bite the dust every time.

JoDiamonds · Jun 02, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

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Originally Posted by Jana

Moral of the story... DON'T piss off the monk(s) in your group and NEVER piss off the ONLY monk in your group.

, cause trust me... NO monk secondary has your well being and saving your arse in mind ALL THE TIME like a monk primary does.

Sounds like you're not much of a team player, actually.

Secondly, I've taken my ElMo out with no attack spells of any kind. If I wasn't trying to save people, what was I doing? (A fine question

funbun · Jun 02, 2005, 03:08 PM // 15:08

I've played with Elmos who heal better than I do!

Darkest Dawn · Jun 02, 2005, 03:45 PM // 15:45

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

Good point. I honestly didn't even know monks like that existed. When I was playing my Warrior/Monk character I never ran across people like that. Now as a Mo/Me I rarely ever get the chance to play with any other monks besides Alesia (the healer hench). You are totally correct, though. If someone does run across an immature monk like that then feel free to rip him a new one! He definately deserves it.

WOW, I just read this thread today for the first time. And barring the few not so bright Monks causing issues, I totally agree with your first post. I am now playing a monk character and am in Kryta now.

I have had a lot of problems with warriors not waiting at all but going from fight to fight with no chance to recharge, or else two wanna be "leaders" each thinks they know the way best and splits up. When both of these groups get engaged in conflict, I'm in a lose lose situation.

However, the biggest gripe I had happened yesterday while I was playing my warrior character. The party had no primary monk except the henchman. Anyway, she died(tanking of course) and the main secondary monk died as well in a real tough battle in the shiverpeaks. The only survivor had a rez signat, but refused to rez the monk unless they give up some gold item dropped by a dead critter!(read: blackmail) To which they were told no way, and so this jerk left us all out there dead, and we had to respawn in the town from which we came and do the blasted mission all over again.

Wiredzero · Jun 02, 2005, 04:56 PM // 16:56

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Originally Posted by fleeb

I do not get a lot of thanks for the work I do in keeping people healed, but when I am thanked, it means ten times more than I can express.

There've been a couple times where I've gotten a 'Thank you' or a "nice job on the healing"...but it's rare. There've even been a few times I've been insulted by someone...in which case...they drop a little on my healing priority list.

There've been numerous times where I've offered to help people with the Thunderhead Keep mission...simply out of boredom. And it seems every time I go help them...there's always one "Rambo" in the bunch cursing me for not keeping them healed.

I think what quite a few of the 'Rambo' type players don't realize...is simply that Monks, (like all casters) have only so much mana. It takes time to recharge it after a battle. They want to rush on and use that little bit of adrenaline while they've got it...well, then they've got no one to blame but themselves if they die. I can't even count the times that I've stressed in a party to "Work as a team...and wait until everyone's ready" only to have it go ignored...and someone drop in the process.

I'd rather heal the team players as opposed to the 'Rambo' or 'ahole' types...since they're the most apt to put the party in jeopardy in the first place, it'd be best if they were on the ground with a Death Penalty while everyone's resting up their energy anyway.

-Miyu

Darkest Dawn · Jun 02, 2005, 05:24 PM // 17:24

A good compromise the warriors can have, is to use the "for great justice" skill which causes the adrenaline to recharge 2x faster, and use the increased attack skill for 33% faster attacks. In no time they will be doing the extra sever arteries, gash, and the rest of the gambit, but still will have given the casters a few seconds to recharge between encounters. It is not that crucial to rush and not "waste" the stored adrenaline. I have a lvl 13 warrior, so I do have experience from both sides of this discussion. The little extra that may be done by using the stored adrenaline will be lost when alone, they are pummeled and half charged healers are desperately trying to keep them alive.

Tindalos · Jun 02, 2005, 05:25 PM // 17:25

One thought, and this isn't to be nasty or anything, but of those monks noting that they don't get thanks for healing how many have offered thanks to warriors for killing the enemy, or rangers controlling the battlefield, or mesmers disrupting spell casters, and so on. Essentially, it seems to me that the job of a healing monk is healing and such a monk should not expect gratitude for doing the job. Just as people don't thank a warrior for general fighting.

Now when a monk, or other class, goes beyond the call of duty or performs some sort of miracle that should garner thanks and kudos, no matter the profession, and if that isn't happening then there is something wrong with those team members.

Personally, I will compliment in those over the top moments and on an overall job well done for the entire group and for individual players no matter the class.

Teme · Jun 02, 2005, 06:28 PM // 18:28

I'd say u need all types of chars... u know like all for one and one for all. But still every 1 does their jobs and others cant do it for 'em, so i just wanna say that healing is for monks and if some1 says he/she does it bad id say just stop healing 'em and let them rot in a bush in the way to the end... xD

Teme · Jun 02, 2005, 06:30 PM // 18:30

oh ye and great tip's every1! and Will id like to know ur account or whatever so that when i get tha game i could add ya to my friends...

Teme · Jun 02, 2005, 06:46 PM // 18:46

and i'd like to see a warrior heal the whole herd of dumbasses who go on not caring what the monk says... so at least monks CAN heal, warriors u should be glad that theres some1 to save ur ass when ur low in health... xD

WillOrWil · Jun 03, 2005, 12:06 AM // 00:06

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Originally Posted by Teme

oh ye and great tip's every1! and Will id like to know ur account or whatever so that when i get tha game i could add ya to my friends...

Heh! When you get the game I will PM you the name of my monk character. My GF plays it regularly now and she is really good at it! She is better at it than me!

Seems she didn't want to level a character of her own but now that she can get her hands on a level 20 she loves it. She loves the desert area though so that is where she plays. Also because post-ascention people were so rude, mean and outright obscene to her it made her cry. I'm sticking to my W/Mo character though. I've capped 16 elite skills and I want all 31 for my character.

There was another recently closed thread that had one thing I wanted to reply to. One guy ranted about monks being in towns and not responding to join requests. It really suits this thread. So here's the thing...

A monk gets a lot of join requests. Many times a monk wants to do the mission AND the bonus. Or will only join a group that looks like it has a decent chance of survival. If a monk just joins 9 times out of 10 as soon as they join the leader automatically hits the "Enter Mission" button without answering any of the questions the monk has or giving the monk enough time to prepare. Here is one cute situation my GF experienced the other night.

I never finished the bonus on Elona's Reach so she wanted to. She entered town and posted, "Monk LFG to do mission AND bonus". Immediately after typing that one group invited her so she automatically accepted. She typed in "We doing the bonus too?" and she was ignored. She typed it in three times and was still ignored. The mission started and after they passed the point to get the first part of the bonus she typed in again, "Hey, are we doing the bonus? Are you all ignoring me?" The only answer she recieved was, "No we aren't doing the F$#@&^% bonus so just shut hell up and heal." This was between battles where she had healed wonderfully. It was totally uncalled for.

As I said I will stick it out through most any PUG to give them half a chance. She will not. She immediately left. I swear she has filled up my Ignore list with tons of names.

After that she has started to be more picky with groups she accepts or rejects. She will stay in town and look at every invite she gets now. She will look at the names in the group. If they have anything vulger, rude or offensives in it she will not join...as the kind of person with that kind of name usually isn't the best team player. She will also look at the professions in the group. If the team has at least two warriors she will usually join (that is her personal preference and she has every right to act on it whether people like it or not). BUT before she joins anyone at all, she will whisper them to make sure that they will actually respond to her.

Anyway, it might look like the Monk is AFK but maybe the Monk really isn't. Maybe the Monk is just making sure their time isn't wasted with a typical "PUG". Also, why can't a Monk be AFK in a cooperative mission town? There is no rule against that! Everyone wants to treat a Monk like any other character but then expects the Monk to act differently. You can only have it one way. Are Monks the same as everyone else or different? If the same, then expect a lower level of healing ability as the Monk goes off in the mission to do his/her own thing. If different then hey, treat them differently, treat them better. Monks don't have to heal. Monks can smite and be EXTREMELY effective at it especially in PvE! But everyone wants Monks to heal and ONLY heal. Not just that, they want the Monk to heal specifically them and play the way they think a Monk should play. Not the way the Monk has learned to play.

The point here is this. Monks are really abused in this game. Monks are controlled by real life human beings. You can't blame them for being picky as to what groups they will or will not join because they have learned through experience that certain groups are better than others for their style of play. If you still think you can blame them then you really don't want a Monk going with you, you actually want a henchman going with you. If you want that to change then you have to hope for a general change in attitude towards monks...which will not happen anytime soon IMHO.

Just my two cents for today.

Teme · Jun 03, 2005, 04:42 AM // 04:42

now THAT'S outragious (or whateva)!! The way i see it is that the others treat monks like they r sum lowlife shits from some back-alley... i sure hope i bring some change to THAT. nobody deserves to be punished (by words of course) of what they do for their jobs AND every1 (monk including) has a freedom to choose what type they are. So what, amonk wants to be a kick arsh monk, well let them be!

P.S: im finnish so i may not understand all of these letter combinations :P

Fantras · Jun 03, 2005, 07:24 AM // 07:24

Monks are not gods. We have the same role as everyone else: get through the mission. We may have a highly valuable contribution in healing the party, but it's not so valuable that we can dictate what the party does or does not do. Do I need someone to tell me specifically, "Good healing." Nope. A "Good group" does it for me, and that's what I drop when I am pleased with a group I've been in. Is there alot of pressure on a monk? Hell yes. I had used henchman forever until I got to the mission right before Lion's Arch, then I picked up a pug. I had actually joined it on accident. Anyways, I was stressing. These were real people this time and not just programs who would'nt care if I jacked up or got us all killed. I was tripping on my skill load out. And after all that stress, I forgot to pack a rez. (which at the time I felt I needed) Went into the mission and got worked, pretty much. A warrior got killed because I was out of energy and started to cause me out because he had gone from full health to empty without a heal. I told him to kiss my cloth covered butt. After that it was all gravy.

To all the folks who have grouped with Monks and all of them were jerks, please don't cast that judgement on us all. I don't think every Wa/Mo is a flavor of the month noob who doesn't know what he's doing. I give them the benefit of the doubt, and usually I am not dissappointed. Sometimes I am. Being a monk isn't easy, but we don't deserve any special recognition or thanks just for helping a team complete a mission that we needed anyway. If anything, everyone needs to thank each other for the help at the end.

Edge Martinez · Jun 03, 2005, 08:29 AM // 08:29

Something really pissed me off today. I was in Temple of Ages and put up "Mo/Me LFG UW or FoW". Some guy then responds with 'What will it cost?'

I don't blame him, but apparently there are monk players out there charging parties money to join a mission. I blame them. So maybe what everyone is saying about monks is true for the most part. It sucks that we are all getting condemned for it, but I couldn't believe this crap when I heard it. So I paid for the trip. Will it change those other 7 people's minds about monks for the better? Probably not, because there truly are a bunch of dirtbags out there in the healing business.

Teme · Jun 03, 2005, 10:29 AM // 10:29

i agree. i think the team should pay the monk for keeping the crews asses alive.

Fantras · Jun 03, 2005, 10:50 AM // 10:50

Wrong, Teme. Wrong. I hope you're joking.

Teme · Jun 03, 2005, 12:19 PM // 12:19

woot? well who should pay who and when?

Fantras · Jun 03, 2005, 12:25 PM // 12:25

The only time I would pay anybody is if they promised to get me through a tough mission. Example: I offered to pay one knowledgable player to get me through Elona's Reach and Thirsty River, and wouldn't pay until I had made it through both. He turned down payment after it was all over, but he got me through both of them where I had spent a day at least trying without success. That was worth the cost. Paying someone to be in your party just to fill a role who needs to get through the mission themselves seems rediculous to me. But it's just my opinion. I play a monk pretty much solely, and I will never charge a group to "let" them group with me. That's just silly.