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WillOrWil · May 28, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

LOL I agree completely Jwh6913! I mean, he says he doesn't like to play with real monks anyway... So why not give his character's name so we can put him on our DNH list? It would just make things easier on all of us.

Willow · May 28, 2005, 01:36 AM // 01:36

WillOrWill, great post. Good advice for everyone.

tvek · May 28, 2005, 03:08 AM // 03:08

my philosophy as a monk is summed up with the age old statement "You can please some of the the people all the time, and all the people some of the time, but you can't please all the people all the time". No matter what you do, you will catch flak, so i don't worry about it. if someone is giving me grief, no heals for you. My energy is better spent on someone trying to work with me, than against me. I do try my best to keep everyone alive, but I can't always do it and people should know that dying is part of the game.

Jwh6913 · May 28, 2005, 03:25 AM // 03:25

I agree tvek, but there's some people who won't accept the fact.

they mainly believe that monks are the key to Godhood and invicibliity, but there's 6 other people besides you that the monks have to think about besides themselves.

Yojinj · May 28, 2005, 03:27 AM // 03:27

There are always those kind of people and others.
When i got full monks in the group i try to shield em from any aggressive other player in the group but sometimes you get some odd monk player and i have to defend all others in the group from the monk.

Besides the whole monk thing i try to pull the team together, i try get em to follow the person who knows this or that quest and to use tactics. Easier said then done

. I got a lil lvl 9 monk and i really like the monk part. I'm somewhat of a planer and as monk you need to keep an eye on energy and on who to heal when and so on.
But i play monk just as alt char, my main is my Necro/Monk (which i switch to efficient healing now and then when needed).

Overall a great thread with many important points.

Teufel Eldritch · May 28, 2005, 04:01 AM // 04:01

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Originally Posted by Jwh6913

LathalDraugr- what's your character's name?

I'd like to put you on my list of DNH

that's all

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

LOL I agree completely Jwh6913! I mean, he says he doesn't like to play with real monks anyway... So why not give his character's name so we can put him on our DNH list? It would just make things easier on all of us.

Why would you do that? He didnt say anything mean or aholish... at least it certainly doesnt appear so to me. And yes I am a primary Monk(Mo/Me20). I happen to agree with what he said, then again I also agree with WillOrWil's thread starting post.

Ya know... it may be ppl threatening to not treat ppl for the simplest things that he does not like. It may be ppl like you that encourages him to think the way he does. If you are not going to treat someone think of a better reason than "He holds a diff opinion than I so he must be a ass."

Alesia {Healer Henchman} · May 28, 2005, 04:04 AM // 04:04

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Originally Posted by Doctor Anomalo

i must be in alesia's black book because she just lets me die every time.

Your name is false advertising and gives me expectations that you will heal thyself...

Yojinj · May 28, 2005, 04:17 AM // 04:17

Anyone else getting sick of those registered henchman users? It's just silly.

ManadartheHealer · May 28, 2005, 04:45 AM // 04:45

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Originally Posted by Yojinj

Anyone else getting sick of those registered henchman users? It's just silly.

Henchmen are jarheads. Tis a fact that nobody can get away from

DarrenJasper · May 28, 2005, 06:22 AM // 06:22

Uh, every class is diverse okay? Don't expect to know how someone will act based on their class.

Except for W/Mos, they are all assholes.

Jwh6913 · May 28, 2005, 07:51 AM // 07:51

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

Why would you do that? He didnt say anything mean or aholish... at least it certainly doesnt appear so to me. And yes I am a primary Monk(Mo/Me20). I happen to agree with what he said, then again I also agree with WillOrWil's thread starting post.

Ya know... it may be ppl threatening to not treat ppl for the simplest things that he does not like. It may be ppl like you that encourages him to think the way he does. If you are not going to treat someone think of a better reason than "He holds a diff opinion than I so he must be a ass."

HMM I certainly don't think of myself as an ahole, but if he goes off in a mission at his monk for not rezing him in middle of a fight, I certainly can have a position to really disagree with him. warriors in general have this attidute about being a vital key to the fight besides being a tank, and they are the only one that can take em on. ( not counting the 2 or 3 other warriors in the group). the point is he has to be patient and considerate about the amount of work that monks do on limited energy- monks is not energy beings like elementalists are.

Jwh6913 · May 28, 2005, 07:57 AM // 07:57

just reread lathal drugar's post- I might have sounded a lil silly before, but all I said after that first post is a few very valid points, although misdirected.

MyriaN · May 28, 2005, 08:24 AM // 08:24

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Originally Posted by Teufel Eldritch

Why would you do that? He didnt say anything mean or aholish... at least it certainly doesnt appear so to me. And yes I am a primary Monk(Mo/Me20). I happen to agree with what he said, then again I also agree with WillOrWil's thread starting post.

Saying that "monk is generally the home to the most egotistical, self-centered and often just plain bad players" implies that he is predisposed to hating monks.

Personally, I don't think that Monk or any other class has a lock on aholes or bad players. I've leveled 3 characters to 20, and in my experience I have yet to meet an egotistical monk. However, I have noticed that people are very quick to berate a monk when someone dies.

Maybe he really has only met bad monks. But I think that it's far more likely that he has developed a bias against monks and will, therefore, be unusually critical of them. If I were a monk, I would prefer not to party with someone who thinks I'm egotistical and self-centered simply because I chose to be monk.

As evidence of his bias, notice how he responds to each of the OP's points by essentially saying "I've seen monks suck at that too" or "this also applies to monks" or "just becuase you're a monk doesn't mean you know everything."
I don't think that the OP ever implied that Monk's never do anything wrong. Yet that's how he saw the OPs entire post.

Teufel Eldritch · May 28, 2005, 09:11 AM // 09:11

IME Monks are indeed home to many a self centered egotisical kind of player, then again so are Warriors. Monks because they know they have the power to make or break a team & Warriors for the same reason. Not saying all Monks or all Warriors are this way but I have seen more Monks & Warrior jerks than I have seen Necro jerks or Ranger jerks or whateva.

Yes he is biased but I can see where he coming from & yet I am a Monk myself.

dansamy · May 28, 2005, 09:14 AM // 09:14

Actually, I'm a fairly humble and "serving" person. I play an ele/mo, who 9/10 is more sought after for healing than for AoE, and a mo/wa who is not very far along. We were in a mission and Alesia and my ele/mo were the only sources of healing. An @$$hole got pissed off beceause he died, called us all n00bs and ditched. (BTW, he died because I announced, "My energy is 2 out of 75." and he said, "Who cares how much energy you have?" and walked into a pack of red dots.) After we were defeated (only after 2 more people dropped), we refilled our party and went on to easily win the mission that had seemed so difficult with a less cooperative party.

Which actually does bring me to a point.....anytime a caster announces their energy, thay are not doing it to be cute or show off that they know how to ctrl+click. There is a reason I am telling you what my energy level is and the meatheads need to stop and think before galloping headlong into the nearest mob of monsters.

LathalDraugr · May 28, 2005, 11:11 AM // 11:11

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

Wow, LathalDraugr, the POV you have is just...oozing with bias. Hmm....how can I put it? First, re-read the title of the thread.

Yes, how to be a monk friendly group which is not how not to die all the time generally. Anyway my problem is not with you but rather the kind of people who are attracted to the monk class because of people allowing some monks to dictate terms.

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

Then re-read your post. Then try and actually reading all the posts in this thread. You will see how wrong and out of line you are.

Wrong and out of line? Why, because I have an opinion thats different from yours? Look you seem to be assuming I'm saying things i'm not. Could you go back and reread my post then pick the bits out that are actually wrong or out of line please because I'm not seeing any.

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

Second, you obviously do not like people who play monks. You wrote twice that we who play monks are the "most egotistical, self-centered and often just plain bad players".

It was late when I worte this so maybe it's not clear. I am not saying all monks are bad players, I'm certainly not saying you are. What I am saying is that thanks to the attitude "the monk is always right" that you seem to be suggesting there are plenty of bad players choosing the monk class because they want to be centre of attention or order everyone else about. I'm saying that the monk class attracts egotistical and self-centred people, not that it is comprised of nothing but such people. I also pointed out other classes attract different sorts of bad players.

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Originally Posted by WillOrWil

My question is, are you here to engage in a discussion or to just do what everyone else does online and continue your snide treatement of monks?

I'm happy to discuss but I would also like to point out I'm complaining about bad players not monks in general.

Makkert · May 28, 2005, 11:57 AM // 11:57

Considering how hard it is to find monks in the later missions, this post comes as a shock to me. There are players that actually insult the monk????

stunned...

Storn · May 28, 2005, 12:34 PM // 12:34

Good advice, from a fellow monk.

But I have to say, I've had pretty good luck with PUGs overall. I've even had some very apprieciative groups. That is always really nice to hear... "nice heal" or something. I try and be appreciative of their good tactics and respond in kind.

And I've also made mistakes.... like casting the wrong spell in the last fight of one very long mission. And got everyone killed. It happens. I felt bad, I apologized. Never hurts to take responsiblity for your screw ups.

eventhorizen · May 28, 2005, 01:24 PM // 13:24

Iv seen some awsome monks, the best are usually the silent ones that heal you just before you start to get worried

, or combine with a couple of other key members of the group and effectivly win the battle.

Thats the point though... monks although necessary in a group are not the be all and end all of the group. Imo I find that a monk yeah has to keep the group alive, but they work best if they can take the rest of the groups mind off defence, if thats possible.

Bad monks like all classes are just lame... Little more needs to be said about that.

I have to say though anyone admitting to keeping a DNH list would never fight alongside me if I knew.

Jana · May 28, 2005, 01:31 PM // 13:31

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Originally Posted by Makkert

Considering how hard it is to find monks in the later missions, this post comes as a shock to me. There are players that actually insult the monk????

stunned...

Believe it or not, there are such people.

I joined a PUG heading into the Underworld. Mind you, this place is CRAWLING with level 28 mobs. Sometimes a hoarde of them.

Well, we took 2 monks in there (me being one of them), and one of them drops right away. Well, somehow I managed to help keep 7 people more or less alive for quite a bit of time, yet was CONSTANTLY begging for people to hold up a sec and not bum rush everything, and asking the "mage" professions not to tank, as the only healer, we are screwed if I am spending 90% of my energy just keeping one person alive.

After a bit, I said, "not bad for being the only monk primary, I think", as I was still having to rez, ask for targets to be called, etc, more than I would ever want.

Well, one of those idiots was a Me/E, and has the nerve to tell me...

"This mission can be done without even having any monk primaries". I laughed and said, "you're right... this mission is easy with all mesmer primaries, especially all those great tanking mesmers like you."

Well... GUESS who got ZERO healing, and every time they died, I just typed in "

" and kept right on healing everyone else. Then I rezzed the person who just kept dying.

Moral of the story... DON'T piss off the monk(s) in your group and NEVER piss off the ONLY monk in your group.

, cause trust me... NO monk secondary has your well being and saving your arse in mind ALL THE TIME like a monk primary does.

Jana