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JYX · Sep 17, 2005, 05:42 PM // 17:42

I felt really sure about this till I actually checked the game. I had the impression that each point in strength added 1% armour penetration ALWAYS. Yet the in game discription says that it only adds 1% armour penetration when you use a skill.

I seem to remember a long while ago it doing 2% armour penetration when using a skill...but then the devs changed it to 1% penetration always. Just asking how armour penetration is calculated. Also, in what way does this stack with Judge's Insight?

rii · Sep 17, 2005, 07:30 PM // 19:30

It just..... stacks. I remember people moaning about this as being a little weak. I think it would be reasonable to put it as every attack tbh.

Take their armour level (for your type of damage), then - the %age of that equal to your strength rating.
e.g. Warrior with 16 strength hits a monk with 60al vs physical
16% of 60= 9.6
so 60-9.6 = 50.4..... so the attack hits effectively the target with 50.4 al.

im assuming this then stacks with ji 20%, + holy damage. Assuming 16strength again, holy damage reverts always to 60al, then 36ap on top of that works out as the target having 60-21.6al, which is 38.4al. Go check the review on armour prevention etc, actually ill do it, brb....

Edit: This works out as roughl 150% damage from skills used (ji+16strength)
At 16 weapon attribute, your weapon is doing 115% damage. Whether this stacks or not is unknown to me, ill let someone else sort out the mess i might have just made -.-

LoneDust · Sep 17, 2005, 07:34 PM // 19:34

Some AP effects don't stack. I believe penetrating blow is one of them.

JYX · Sep 17, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

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Originally Posted by rii

I think it would be reasonable to put it as every attack tbh.

yeah...in which case Anet need to update the skill description in game.

LoneDust...does penetrating attack not stack with JI or with Strength bonus?...or neither?

Eonwe · Sep 17, 2005, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Well, I know for a fact it doesn't stack with your strength bonus. I'd assume it would stack with JI though, not 100% sure.

Tigris Of Gaul · Sep 17, 2005, 10:02 PM // 22:02

Penetrating Blow and Penetrating Attack have 20% armor penetration. Strength has 1% armor penetration per rank. These effects will not stack, as they're base penetration.

What they will stack with is +% armor penetration. You can get this from Judge's Insight and Sundering mods. These will stack with a form of base armor penetration. So a buffed axe warrior could ultimately have 50% armor penetration, from Penetrating Blow + Judge's Insight + Sundering. 50% is the max as far as I know. Strength would also stack with Judge's Insight and Sundering, but since 16% is the highest you can get from strength, it won't be as much as you could get using one of the Penetrating attacks. However, it'll apply to all skills, so as a warrior, having ~9 Strength and being buffed with Judge's is a pretty good way to go, unless you need physical damage for Orders.

I Farm Sigils · Sep 17, 2005, 11:15 PM // 23:15

I know it was previously tested that armor penetration ignores shields and +defense on weapons.

Has anyone tested armor penetration with armor adding spells?

With the mechanics being broken in the first instance, I wouldn't be surprised is spells like Armor of Earth weren't affected by strength/JI. Too lazy to setup up the test myself.

Rajamic · Sep 18, 2005, 07:48 PM // 19:48

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Originally Posted by rii

im assuming this then stacks with ji 20%, + holy damage. Assuming 16strength again, holy damage reverts always to 60al...

Ummm....no. We've got over this on countless threads here. Weapon damage NEVER ignores armor, regardless of the type of damage it is. Holy damage SPELLS ignore armor, but Judge's insighted weapons and monk weapons do not.

I haven't tested the effects of buffing spells, but I did once see a thread here that had tested with level 16 Armor of Earth. They found the bonus AL was added after armor penetration was calculated.

JYX · Sep 18, 2005, 08:37 PM // 20:37

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Originally Posted by Rajamic

Ummm....no. We've got over this on countless threads here. Weapon damage NEVER ignores armor, regardless of the type of damage it is. Holy damage SPELLS ignore armor, but Judge's insighted weapons and monk weapons do not.

Heh, yes. You'll have to excuse my friend there, he's a bit slow in the head -.-;

see here for example

Effigy · Sep 18, 2005, 09:49 PM // 21:49

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Originally Posted by Rajamic

Ummm....no. We've got over this on countless threads here. Weapon damage NEVER ignores armor, regardless of the type of damage it is. Holy damage SPELLS ignore armor, but Judge's insighted weapons and monk weapons do not.

I haven't tested the effects of buffing spells, but I did once see a thread here that had tested with level 16 Armor of Earth. They found the bonus AL was added after armor penetration was calculated.

I read that Holy damage, regardless of the source, acts as if the target had 60 AL. The 20% penetration from JI should then be taken from 60 AL. If that's not right, maybe you could link to some source stating otherwise.

rii · Sep 18, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

No, this man is slow in the head. I said its holy damage, which means it reverts always to 60al (and in the case of ji has a further 20% ap). That isnt ignoring armour, its 60al. Read what i said and understand it before trying to rebut it.

Im never going to get rid of that am i :/

I Farm Sigils · Sep 18, 2005, 10:20 PM // 22:20

Still wrong... Only certain spells treat it as if they have automatically have 60 armor. JI only gives you smite damage which still is affected by a warriors 80 AL, or the 100+ Al of someone with Armor of earth. The only reason for having it as smite damage is to ignore something like the +20 armor against physical that Warrior armor inherantly has.

It's also very intresting that Armor of Earth is unaffected by Armor penetration. I will have to consider that spell a little more.

Ensign · Sep 19, 2005, 06:41 AM // 06:41

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Originally Posted by I Farm Sigils

Has anyone tested armor penetration with armor adding spells?

Yes. (surprise surprise)

Armor penetration does not affect armor added by spells or other effects at all. As far as I can tell, armor penetration only penetrates *base* AL, the armor level of your worn armor and any shield you might be using. Any buffs, be they from skills, other items, or whatnot, are not penetrated at all.

Peace,
-CxE