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Therm · Sep 20, 2005, 08:07 AM // 08:07

I think this +5en sword and 20% ench pommel re the best for this kind of bulid but i wonder if there is any usefull sword hilt also?

BokaSlayer · Sep 20, 2005, 09:24 AM // 09:24

I think thats the best mod for IW mesmer.

Oh btw where did u get that sword, i have IW mesmer too and would like to have that sword

snepp · Sep 20, 2005, 09:26 AM // 09:26

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Originally Posted by BokaSlayer

I think thats the best mod for IW mesmer.

Oh btw where did u get that sword, i have IW mesmer too and would like to have that sword

The weapon merchant in Henge of Denravi used to make them, emphasis on "used to".

If you want one now you'll have to find someone selling it.

BokaSlayer · Sep 20, 2005, 09:27 AM // 09:27

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Originally Posted by snepp

The weapon merchant in Henge of Denravi used to make them, emphasis on "used to".

If you want one now you'll have to find someone selling it.

Thanks

Therm · Sep 20, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

I think its gonna be worth huge amount of gold since its no longer available in game. Still dun have any idea which hilt to put on ;(

Dzan · Sep 20, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

Definitely put the 20% enchanting hilt on it for IW.

Those swords are going for upwards of 50k each on rpgtraders. Glad I saved all of mine without customizing...

glockjs · Sep 20, 2005, 09:31 PM // 21:31

there's other swords in the game that give you mana that you can get from a trader. infact i think theres one that gives you health and mana. remember damage on the actual weapon doesnt matter with IW lmao

Therm · Sep 20, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by glockjs

there's other swords in the game that give you mana that you can get from a trader. infact i think theres one that gives you health and mana. remember damage on the actual weapon doesnt matter with IW lmao

Where to get them?- which crafter

glockjs · Sep 21, 2005, 12:19 AM // 00:19

i dont remember the actual collecters, i remember it being in a lower to mid level area though :/

OverlordTyrael · Sep 21, 2005, 01:11 AM // 01:11

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Originally Posted by Dzan

Definitely put the 20% enchanting hilt on it for IW.

Those swords are going for upwards of 50k each on rpgtraders. Glad I saved all of mine without customizing...

There's no such thing as a 20% enchanting hilt

. I would see no reason to put any hilt on there at all, except maybe zealous, seeing as you'll be attacking at an increased rate due to flurry and therefore would gain more energy back from zealous than you lose (at least that's the case with my W/R using TF). That's all I can suggest.

ElderAtronach · Sep 21, 2005, 01:33 AM // 01:33

IW does not trigger zealous, since your attacks never "hit"

Shwitz · Sep 21, 2005, 04:53 AM // 04:53

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Originally Posted by OverlordTyrael

There's no such thing as a 20% enchanting hilt

. I would see no reason to put any hilt on there at all, except maybe zealous, seeing as you'll be attacking at an increased rate due to flurry and therefore would gain more energy back from zealous than you lose (at least that's the case with my W/R using TF). That's all I can suggest.

As ElderAtronach said, a zealous hilt would not help an IW Mesmer. It would actually hurt them, taking away a pip of energy regeneration. There are actually no hilts (that I can think of, anyway) that would be of use to a Mesmer using Illusionary Weaponry. All the possible modifiers from hilts relate to actually hitting the target, which you will not be doing. But yes, I agree, a Sword Pommel of Enchanting is the way to go.

Therm · Sep 21, 2005, 08:58 AM // 08:58

So its gonna be an "unhilted (?)" sword :P Anyway it works vey well on low lvl arenas

With 25 dmg from iw, disortion spam and frenzy on im killing freaking fast. With ench pommel iw lasts for 36 secs while there is 40 sec recharge so if the +recharge bonus from focus itm wont trigger im without iw for only 4 secs. Anyway in the description of iw there is written that im dealing no dmg but theres no such a think like im not even hitting my target. So i think its gonna work with vampiric/zealous and others

Shwitz · Sep 21, 2005, 12:54 PM // 12:54

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Originally Posted by Therm

So its gonna be an "unhilted (?)" sword :P Anyway it works vey well on low lvl arenas

With 25 dmg from iw, disortion spam and frenzy on im killing freaking fast. With ench pommel iw lasts for 36 secs while there is 40 sec recharge so if the +recharge bonus from focus itm wont trigger im without iw for only 4 secs. Anyway in the description of iw there is written that im dealing no dmg but theres no such a think like im not even hitting my target. So i think its gonna work with vampiric/zealous and others

That's true, the skill description does not explicitly say that you don't hit your target, but its true that "not dealing damage in melee" is equivalent to simply not hitting your target. If you really want to use a zealous or vampiric hilt on that sword, I can't stop you... but you will regret it later. Lets examine the skill description:

For 30 seconds, you deal no damage in melee, but whenever you attack in melee, target foe takes 8-34 Chaos damage.

That means that you are not actually dealing that damage. The source of the chaos damage that your foe takes is not your sword. If your sword is not the source, you cannot trigger health or energy gain from a vampiric/zealous hilt. If you refuse to believe this, though, give it a try. Just don't say we didn't warn you. Please don't use a 5:1 vampiric hilt to test this, it will only end in tears.

EDIT: One way to test the "no hit" theory is to equip an adrenaline sword skill and see if you can actually charge up enough adrenaline to use it. Or simply equip an energy sword attack and see if you can get it to work. All of the sword attacks have in their description "if this attack hits" and then bonus damage or condition. If you are truly hitting your target while using IW, you will see the bonus damage as well as the IW damage. Just trying to save you your hilt...

Glasswalker · Sep 21, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

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Originally Posted by Shwitz

EDIT: One way to test the "no hit" theory is to equip an adrenaline sword skill and see if you can actually charge up enough adrenaline to use it. Or simply equip an energy sword attack and see if you can get it to work. All of the sword attacks have in their description "if this attack hits" and then bonus damage or condition. If you are truly hitting your target while using IW, you will see the bonus damage as well as the IW damage. Just trying to save you your hilt...

This has been tested. As well as things like throw dirt. You miss anyway, so being blind doesn't hurt you. I assume it has also been tested with things like Price of Failure, but I don't know the results of that.

Shwitz · Sep 21, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

I realize that it has been tested, but I was suggesting that Therm test it for himself, as he seemed to doubt the veracity of both ElderAtronach and my statements.

Therm · Sep 21, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

True, adrenaline skills re not recharging. So whats the point of beeing secondary warrior? Frenzy is nice but only vs warriors (not interrupted dmg dealing spell and im dead), flurry is useless since im not using any adrenaline skills. Beeing a warrior only for the sprint maybe? I dun think so. Monk secondary is way more usefull with balths aura for example which can also (as an enchantment) cover i/w from beeing turned off by shatter ench

Entropius · Sep 21, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

I think lots of Illusionary Weaponry people use secondary warrior for Flurry, since the drawback doesn't matter at all.

Shwitz · Sep 21, 2005, 07:00 PM // 19:00

Balthazar's Aura is a bit pricey energy wise to be a cover enchantment. Entropius said it correctly - Warrior secondary is used for Flurry. Some of the defensive stances in Tactics are nice as well. If you want to make a build using a different secondary, more power to you. I'd like to know what you use. Warrior and Flurry are just the most prominent attack speed increasers, since you don't need to invest any attribute points to use Flurry, the drawback from the skill is negated by the usage of Illusionary Weaponry, and it can be continually used (as the duration and recharge are the same).

Therm · Sep 21, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

Ah right... i thought its gonna be -25% dmg but im no dealing any. Thanks guys for enlightening me. One more question. I know that the flurry can be obtained from the lions arch trainer but maybe there is a quest for it?