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FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 02:02 PM // 14:02

WHATS THE USE OF quick shot ?

Ill write how it would work in a battle

Second 1 - I use quick shot - 1 sec casting time so I can shoot next second
Second 2 - I shoot

- it takes 2 seconds to shoot with the quick shot , so whats the use of it ? I can shoot every 2 seconds with short bow without quick shot ..

it would only be good when using a bow that has shoot rate higher than 2 sec ..

Is it possible to cast and shoot at the same time, and can I cast quick shot after I just finished it ?
Recharge is 1 sec but does the 1 sec count from when I start using it or after the casting time finishes ?

Either way if I could cast and shoot at the same time than it could be some use

1sec - normal shot
2sec - finishing normal shot and cast quick shot ( skill )
3sec - shoot quickened shot
4sec - normal shot
5sec - finishing normal shot and cast quick shot ( skill )
6sec - shoot quick shot
etc

or if I could cast qs every sec , if the recharge would count from the time I start cating :

1sec - quick shot ( skill )
2sec- quickened shot and quick shot (spell )
3sec - quickened shot and quick shot (spell )
etc ..

Tell me in which order it would work , I really dont understand how it can help .

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 02:29 PM // 14:29

now that qz doesnt affect qs, the general idea is to go TF-QS-NS-QS-NS..etc. NS being normal shots. as for timing im not sure. i believe its on the first second you shoot an arrow in 1sec(instead of 2), then u let a normal shot fire(1.34sec, if your using a shortbow) then another quickshot(1sec) and repeat. so in this way you fire a arrow in a 1-1.34-1-1.34 patern averging an arrow every 1.17secs.

for the general properties of quickshot and its damage i dont know. but from experience its easy to see that it makes a difference.

Valerius · Oct 02, 2005, 03:19 PM // 15:19

it has its uses... use the search option and u'll come up with many threads discussing how effective it really can be

FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 03:55 PM // 15:55

So can you cast quick shot (the skill ) while shooting a normal shot right carnivore ?

Carnivore you wrote the shot for time would be - 1.34 normal and 1 for quickened shot , shouldnt it be 0.66 - 1.34 : 2 ?

But my main question , can I shoot normal shots while casting qs ?

Valerius I did a search before this , but I couldnt find an answer to if I can cast while shooting normal shots .

Arrow-bow · Oct 02, 2005, 04:09 PM // 16:09

back fire+ghokign gas+quick shot +power spike is good compo vs elements

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 05:38 PM // 17:38

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Originally Posted by FluxxoR

So can you cast quick shot (the skill ) while shooting a normal shot right carnivore ?

Carnivore you wrote the shot for time would be - 1.34 normal and 1 for quickened shot , shouldnt it be 0.66 - 1.34 : 2 ?

But my main question , can I shoot normal shots while casting qs ?

Valerius I did a search before this , but I couldnt find an answer to if I can cast while shooting normal shots .

well if you mean cast a qs while firing as in doing it right after the arrow leaves your bow, then yes.

as for the 1.34 i figured that TS gives a 33% increase or 1.33. so when you use it your attack speed will be 67% of what it usually is, so .67*2=1.34

FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 06:25 PM // 18:25

please make me a list of how to cast with quick shot like write me what you would do every sec

And I think a shot effected by ts and qs should fire in 0.67 1.34 : 2 .

Or it isnt possible that both qs and ts effect your shots .

I still dont get it .. shots with ts only

1. I shoot - 1.34 sec
2. I shoot - 1.34 sec

Thats 1 shot per 1.34 sec , while with qs :

1, Quick shot skill - 1 sec
2, Shoot the quickened shot - 0.67 sec

so 1 shot every 0.67 sec .

Please write me a list of how I should cast and shoot the things

like

1. cast ts - 0 sec
2, cast qs - 1 sec
etc ..

Ollj · Oct 02, 2005, 06:52 PM // 18:52

quick shot is the rangers energy draining arrow spike.
only use it with 13 expertise and 12+ marksmanship. (Basically 16 marksmanship, 13 expertise and 4 wilderness survival but others work, too)

It adds nicely to Read the Wind or Favorable Winds and Hunter's Shot, Determined Shot and Concussion Shot.
Expertise Skills are variable, dodge is theoretically a must have to run around between quick shot spikes.
Your Wilderness survival Skill with quick shot can be Dryder's Defenses or Flame trap.

FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 07:01 PM // 19:01

Ok but explain me how I should use qs to give me a dps bonus !

I mean without it with ts and short bow I get 1shot every 1.33 sec with it I get
1.66 sec so I only see a disadvantage of it ( 1 sec I cast qs and 0.66 to shoot the quickened arrow )

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 07:22 PM // 19:22

im pretty sure that qs shoots at an arrow at 1sec and not at half ur current attack rate(could be wrong). anyway its not that complicated man, load up a game set up ur ranger, target and fire a qs after every normal arrow while under ts.

FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 07:31 PM // 19:31

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Originally Posted by carnivore

im pretty sure that qs shoots at an arrow at 1sec and not at half ur current attack rate(could be wrong). anyway its not that complicated man, load up a game set up ur ranger, target and fire a qs after every normal arrow while under ts.

I think you dont get my point , lets say I got short bowand ts

Ill shoot an arrow every 1.33 sec

Now before I fire a quickened shot this happens

1. I cast quick shot skill , it has cast time 1 sec so I have I cant do anything in that 1 sec , so first sec I cast qs

2. I shoot and you say minimum shoot rate is 1 and that it cant be 0.66 , so thats 1 sec

thats 1 sec casting + 1 sec shooting

Ill shoot an arrow every 2.00 sec

Now I KNOW I made a mistake because I dont play gw much and dont even have those skills , maybe ..

Can I shoot a quickened shot right after I start casting it ( than it would take 1 sec like you say ) or do I have to wait the cast time and than shoot the arrow ( 2 secs )?

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 07:44 PM // 19:44

your making a mistake by analyzing it to much. you might be right that fireing a qs every shot will actually just equal in a shortbow fire rate because if u try and activate qs as soon as its ready, u interupt the next normal bowshot.

you can mix and match the numbers all you want, but qs is a great form of damage output by just fireing it every shot

edit: well your mistake might be that quickshot 1 second casting means 1 second after you cast your arrow is in the air not 1 second activation then you fire a arrow at 1second attack

FluxxoR · Oct 02, 2005, 07:53 PM // 19:53

Oh ok I get it than , I just fought its that you cast 1 sec and than thanks to the effect your next bow attack will take only 1 sec ( with short bow ) .

I didnt know you can still be casting the sec and already shooting ( doing the animation in which you put the arrow in your bow and let it go ) at the same time .

OneArmedScissor · Oct 02, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

Quote:

Originally Posted by Arrow-bow

back fire+ghokign gas+quick shot +power spike is good compo vs elements

They would totally be casting stuff with backfire on them.

rii · Oct 02, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

They would have totally removed it in about 3s, thus wasting 15e of your precious ranger pool.

carnivore · Oct 02, 2005, 08:54 PM // 20:54

Quote:

Originally Posted by rii

They would have totally removed it in about 3s, thus wasting 15e of your precious ranger pool.

who said it had to be a ranger?

twicky_kid · Oct 02, 2005, 09:02 PM // 21:02

quick shot is huge amount of dmg in little time. don't see why it takes 2 sec to attack probly the bow you using. do some research on bow attack speeds.

FW, kindle, dual shot, quick shot, savage shot, quick shot, dual shot, quick shot, savage shot.

the ranger machine gun isn't dead by a long shot. just replace the punishing shot with quick shot.

FluxxoR · Oct 03, 2005, 12:00 PM // 12:00

I have to be making some mistake .. I mean with ts a normal shot with short bow is

1 shot every 1.33 , Without qs

With qs I have to cast it quick shot - 1 sec , which reduces the time of from 1.33 of a normal shot to 1 sec ( carnivore said it cant go less than 1 sec , so not 0.66 ) , thats 1 sec ( casting ) + 1 sec ( shooting the quickened arrow ) thats 2 secs , without the qs I can fire quicker .

I think Im wrong but I cant find the mistake I did .. maybe .. what does casting time mean , what does it really ? mean , when it says cating time of quick shot is 1 sec , does it mean I have to cast for 1 sec and once I finish the casting 1 sec , after that 1 sec ) I can shoot , or can I start casting and before casting finishes I shoot , or when it say cating time is 1 sec and recharge is 1 sec , does it recharge 1 sec after the casting time ( 2 secs from the time I start casting the first qs ) or does it recharge right after I start casting ?

I just cant see the mistake .

carnivore · Oct 03, 2005, 07:59 PM // 19:59

bah ok look. the casting in quick shot is 1second that 1 second(same second) is you fireing the bow. for instance, if you see the bar fill in the monitor in the time it took that bar to fill, an arrow is in the air.

in this sense dont think of qs as casting it, more like activating. the 1 second cast time is said because even tho it says twice as fast, it really fires it at 1 second attack rate.

IT IS NOT cast(bar fills), fire a 1 second arrow. IT'S more like activate, fire animation starts(while bar fills), bar fills and arrow is already out of your bow.

so when u activate QS the second you activate it it starts a NEW animation. so even if you are about to let go of an arrow at a normal rate, qs will stop it, start a new one, and fire another arrow. if you activate qs after you just let an arrow go, you simply fire another arrow