Curse

cookiehoarder · Sep 14, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

To all the people running IWAY, you're incredibly stupid and newbish. That is all.

smurfhunter · Sep 14, 2005, 02:48 PM // 14:48

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Originally Posted by UberRusty

Barrage will trigger the Healing Ball even if you're not attacking the Heal Seeded target, and heal for MORE than what you damage each target for. The fact that Mel's does 21 dmg at 10/11 Wilderness (forgot), coupled with your bow damage, means you're doing MORE damage than Healing Seed is generating for that target. That is half the purpose of this build.

The second is that Barrage has a 1 second recharge, and takes off all your preparations. With IWAY + Tiger's Fury you're attacking faster than you can Barrage. And you can't put any preparations on your arrows either. Therefore, Barrage would be a horrible elite for the purpose of this build.

excellant points

ima go tru out your build ^^

Tactical-Dillusions · Sep 14, 2005, 03:18 PM // 15:18

I remember discovering the power of melandru's arrows during the PvPX weekend. It's very nice indeed.

Once i killed an elementalist in four shots. Bastage.

UberRusty · Sep 14, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

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I'm not sure if that's a good thread to reference information from.

If you don't have faith in that thread, have faith in my experience.

But feel free to put in Dual Shot and change the build as you see fit!

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Anyway, you seem to tiptoe around Distracting... You gotta agree that is probably one of the best Ranger skills.

Well, the reason I never play a distracting Ranger is because I either have an Axe Spiker with a Disrupting Chop on his skillbar, or a shutdown Mesmer.

Also, consider this: When you're in an IWAY group, that Disrupting Chop is going to light up pretty fast. =)

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Once i killed an elementalist in four shots. Bastage.

Yeah, Mel's Arrows is such an excellent but under used skill. Of course, now that people have read this post, Mel's Arrows will HOPEFULLY be used more.

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Hi Rusty!

Hi Lews! :O

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To all the people running IWAY, you're incredibly stupid and newbish. That is all.

That's because everyone that runs IWAY is GENERALLY incredibly stupid and newbish. Let's say you get Moa Birds to run an IWAY build, I am willing to bet 20k faction that we would not do bad.

There are OTHER options than running all W/Rs and a Necro you know... but ignore the last sentence, nobody was meant to see that.

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excellant points ima go tru out your build ^^

Have fun!

mr_boo · Sep 14, 2005, 06:59 PM // 18:59

Just curious, Rusty, but how high do you have expertise? Do you need/use a Zealous Bow String? It seems to me, with your current build that (and I'm estimating here) energy is not a problem for you.

ElderAtronach · Sep 14, 2005, 09:05 PM // 21:05

13 is the break point for 10 energy skills to go down to 4 energy.
14 is the break point for 5 energy skills to go down to 2 energy.

mr_boo · Sep 14, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

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Originally Posted by ElderAtronach

13 is the break point for 10 energy skills to go down to 4 energy.
14 is the break point for 5 energy skills to go down to 2 energy.

According to the chart that I consult, you got it reversed.

13 is the break point where 5 Energy goes to 2 Energy.
14 is the break point where 10 Energy goes to 4 Energy.

Anyways, my question was in reference to Rusty's specific Build.

Keure · Sep 14, 2005, 09:17 PM // 21:17

It's the other way around - 13 exp = 5 energy to 2 breakpoint, 14 = 10 energy to 4 breakpoint.

ElderAtronach · Sep 14, 2005, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Alright, well the breakpoints are 13 and 14, so :P

I really wouldn't run TF without 14 expertise, honestly

mr_boo · Sep 14, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

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Originally Posted by ElderAtronach

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Alright, well the breakpoints are 13 and 14, so :P

I really wouldn't run TF without 14 expertise, honestly

no worries...lol...anyways, I don't think I would run TF without 14 Expertise either, but Rusty made it a point that he preferred Deterimined Shot due to it's low energy cost...so I'm just wondering how high is Expertise is, and if he relies on a Zealous bow at all.

UberRusty · Sep 14, 2005, 09:40 PM // 21:40

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Just curious, Rusty, but how high do you have expertise? Do you need/use a Zealous Bow String? It seems to me, with your current build that (and I'm estimating here) energy is not a problem for you.

Energy isn't a problem, but... if you add in a 10 energy skill that you're going to spam, let's say every 5 seconds, then you're going to start having energy problems. And I don't use a Zealous Bow, IMO since Arrows can miss and by the time you find a good vantange point, you would've regained MORE energy than a Zealous would've gotten you.

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I really wouldn't run TF without 14 expertise, honestly

TF at lower levels of Expertise isn't a problem in this build, but there are two Sup runes you can opt for here. Either a Superior Marksmanship/Wilderness, or a Superior Expertise.

UberRusty · Sep 16, 2005, 03:02 AM // 03:02

Somebody comment!

P.S. Lame attempt at bump.

smurfhunter · Sep 16, 2005, 03:11 AM // 03:11

well, i thought i was incredibly brilliant when i tried using 3 damage rangers with IWAY, TF, and melandrus (with pets), instead of the usual warrior/emo/__. we won a few times but it was really much more a test of how good your monks were. our dps sucked somehow

so.... idk maybe your build unmodified will work well. i kinda dont wanna go near iway again lol, there are much better alternatives if youre looking for a high damage/0 defense build...

there do i get a brownie point for bumping this

UberRusty · Sep 16, 2005, 03:47 AM // 03:47

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well, i thought i was incredibly brilliant when i tried using 3 damage rangers with IWAY, TF, and melandrus (with pets), instead of the usual warrior/emo/__. we won a few times but it was really much more a test of how good your monks were. our dps sucked somehow

Oh no, this isn't how it's supposed to be used. You're still supposed to have the Warriors as the forefront of the force, but instead of running your usual 7 Warriors or whatever, subsitute one or two Rangers for the Warriors. Still, PUGs won't have the co-ordination to switch from attacking Healing Seeded targets unless they're all decent players.

smurfhunter · Sep 16, 2005, 04:03 AM // 04:03

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Oh no, this isn't how it's supposed to be used. You're still supposed to have the Warriors as the forefront of the force, but instead of running your usual 7 Warriors or whatever, subsitute one or two Rangers for the Warriors. Still, PUGs won't have the co-ordination to switch from attacking Healing Seeded targets unless they're all decent players.

hah my pugs are awesome. its barely even a pug anymore, same ppl every night. that wasnt our problem. oh well =/

wheel · Sep 16, 2005, 05:17 AM // 05:17

I just wanted to clear something up that I've noticed. The description for "increased attack speed" in Guild Wars is inaccurate. It is really "reduction in attack time," meaning that a "33% increased attack speed" really means "33% reduced attack time," effectively giving you a 50% boost to DPS, not 33%. With IWAY & TF/Frenzy, it is a 225% increased attack speed (150%*150%).

AFAIK, that's how the game mechanic works. Try it out yourself using Guild Wars Guru's Calculator.

Using an increased attack speed of 33% does in fact give you the 50% dps increase, but because of the calculator's design, it incorrectly (if my above calculations are correct) gives the "66% increased attack speed" calculation. If we could get an authoritative answer on this, it'd be awesome, because I don't have the ability to test things out like people like Ensign & Zrave, who figured out the formulae of the game.

Iraqalypse Now · Sep 16, 2005, 06:44 AM // 06:44

iirc, when you have IWAY and another 33% IAS boost on at the same time, you do three attacks in the time it regularly takes to do 1....

I Farm Sigils · Sep 16, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

TF+IWAY = 2*.33 = .66 seconds per attack. Exactly the same speed as the Quickshot Rangers of the past, without using an elite.

Rusty, do you really not like using a Zealous Bow?... Your missing out on an extra 4 pips of energy regen.

UberRusty · Sep 17, 2005, 01:17 AM // 01:17

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Rusty, do you really not like using a Zealous Bow?... Your missing out on an extra 4 pips of energy regen.

Oh no, I love Zealous Bows with the 66% attack speed. I USED to use it with the IWAY build but now since IWAY are common stuff in the PvP, and people bring counters such as not killing the pets, I consider Zealous to be too situational. I also never experienced an energy problem with the default skillset in the first post.

A small (or big) advantage of this build, depending on how you look at it, is that it doesn't rely on IWAY.

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hah my pugs are awesome. its barely even a pug anymore, same ppl every night.

Then it isn't a PUG.

Blow Up Doll · Oct 16, 2005, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Wrong. The regen does not stack, no matter how many dead allies are in range, you'll still get +3-5.

on warrior you can get to 7 or 8