Curse

dont feel no pain · Oct 16, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

iway is good and all but imagine it with all iway warriors spamming fear me at 3 energy loss, like think about it iways are almost always attakcing 33% faster that means fast adrenaline gain now can u imagine fear me on 6 wariors every 2 secs = 18 energy loss in 2 secs .....MY GOD WHAT I HAVE I CREATED

Entropius · Oct 16, 2005, 05:39 PM // 17:39

First comment: you had me for the first two words. I lost you after that.

Seriously, though, you might be able to convince healing balls (which are a popular defense to IWAY) to scatter with this. However, it's unlikely that it'll be quite this devastating. You won't be gaining adrenaline quite as fast as you might think, since everyone runs *at least* dual aegis + 1 guardian.

Then there's Shadow of Fear, Faintheartedness, Soothing Images, and all those other wonderful things people like to throw on IWAY groups.

If the enemy does choose to stay in a ball, then they likely have Channeling on the monks at least, which will outpace Fear Me.

smurfhunter · Oct 16, 2005, 05:53 PM // 17:53

sadly dont feel no pain is exactly right, if all the warriors in an iway group brought fear me it would be devastating. however, since most iway groups are formed by a bunch of complete idiots, they dont take "fear me". i think its better that way

Schorny · Oct 16, 2005, 05:54 PM // 17:54

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Originally Posted by Entropius

If the enemy does choose to stay in a ball, then they likely have Channeling on the monks at least, which will outpace Fear Me.

A healing ball stands no chance (other than instant kill) against a fear me iway team. Fear me is devastating.

But nontheless iway can be countered. But don't underestimate fear me - noone uses it, but I really have no clue why. With 6 Warriors the amount of energy denied is much more than channeling and OoB together can give you.

Entropius · Oct 16, 2005, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Oh, I'm not knocking Fear Me. It's a great skill, although not in this context.

But it's not that great in the IWAY context: since IWAY warriors spend much of their time whiffing and attacking slowly, their adrenaline buildup is much slower than that of a warrior with hex and condition removal.

But against the mob of warriors and pets that is IWAY, Channeling is absolutely, simply, and grotesquely dominant at energy management.

knives · Oct 16, 2005, 06:22 PM // 18:22

Using fear me would cause the warriors to put points into tactics, and thats unconcievable.

To the limit! + Fear me! = nice adr. from heal balls. Both are tactics related.

Tainted Poon · Oct 16, 2005, 06:39 PM // 18:39

This is old btw, probably more effective than original iway

Cyniusz · Oct 16, 2005, 06:55 PM // 18:55

God damn were you in my team today. I explained this to someone today when i was running iway and i recognize your name

hmmm

I have been running it for the past week or so

dont feel no pain · Oct 16, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

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Originally Posted by Cyniusz

God damn were you in my team today. I explained this to someone today when i was running iway and i recognize your name

hmmm

I have been running it for the past week or so

we talked today and i dont even remember someone explaining it since i was the one who explained it to a iway team i was in it was just random that he saw this and he had thought it up himself too so he did beat me to it i guess but i did think it up myself just a bit later than him

and how the heck did u reckonise my name????? it's me ele (dont feel no pain) lol

Ollj · Oct 16, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

theres millions of ways sto stop you from gaining adrenaline..
Sympathetic Visage and Soothing Images are so goddamn funny against newbie warriors.

Eonwe · Oct 16, 2005, 11:35 PM // 23:35

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Originally Posted by Entropius

But against the mob of warriors and pets that is IWAY, Channeling is absolutely, simply, and grotesquely dominant at energy management.

If you have 7 warriors around you pumping out fear me's with a 33% attack speed boost you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of -30 to -35 energy pips. Channeling isn't go to help in the least

. If you're not running Fear Me with IWAY... then you're not running good IWAY.

Cyniusz · Oct 17, 2005, 12:34 AM // 00:34

I recognized your name because i added you to my friends list when i went to make a quick change to my characters equipment and you changed characters later on i believe into Dont Feel No Pain.

I agree, if i run iway, i run Fearful IWAY.

Hippie Crack · Oct 17, 2005, 01:01 AM // 01:01

Yes, any decent IWAY team should have been running Fear Me! 2 months ago.....

Zeru · Oct 17, 2005, 01:55 AM // 01:55

I've never seen anyone besides us run Fear Me on IWAY, sadly enough. I sure hope at least some other teams were smart enough to do it though. Ensign spelled it out so clearly a few weeks ago back when he posted here yet all the FOTM morons still couldn't see the ultimate power resting in front of them.

If every IWAY team ran fear me and had their spammer use dark fury people would be crying left and right to nerf IWAY, the difference between fear me and none is ridiculous.

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Seriously, though, you might be able to convince healing balls (which are a popular defense to IWAY) to scatter with this. However, it's unlikely that it'll be quite this devastating. You won't be gaining adrenaline quite as fast as you might think, since everyone runs *at least* dual aegis + 1 guardian.

Then there's Shadow of Fear, Faintheartedness, Soothing Images, and all those other wonderful things people like to throw on IWAY groups.

If the enemy does choose to stay in a ball, then they likely have Channeling on the monks at least, which will outpace Fear Me.

Yeah thats why we steamrolled every single team we faced with ease when we had a full iQ team running our IWAY setup on non-altars

. If people actually were afraid of IWAY and ran the appropriate counters and tactical maneuvering we wouldn't have done as well but since every other IWAY team apparently didn't use fear me people scoffed at it and got wtfpwned when they faced a good IWAY.

It's not as good as before because you can't power dark fury/order of pain on ether renewal (which just owned soul reaping so badly), you can't hide the spammer at your spawn, and fear me is slightly weaker. It will still beat pretty much any build being run at the moment with ease in 1v1 and relic though.

Take a look here:
http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ad.php?t=59677

smurfhunter · Oct 17, 2005, 02:06 AM // 02:06

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

If you have 7 warriors around you pumping out fear me's with a 33% attack speed boost you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of -30 to -35 energy pips. Channeling isn't go to help in the least

. If you're not running Fear Me with IWAY... then you're not running good IWAY.

if you do some division your saying that each warrior can do 4-5 pips *alone* (with fear me)

methinks this is bs. however i havent actually done the math out, but it just sounds alot like total garbage

Zeru · Oct 17, 2005, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Dark fury

smurfhunter · Oct 17, 2005, 03:02 PM // 15:02

maybe

Yukito Kunisaki · Oct 17, 2005, 03:15 PM // 15:15

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

If you have 7 warriors around you pumping out fear me's with a 33% attack speed boost you're looking at somewhere in the neighborhood of -30 to -35 energy pips. Channeling isn't go to help in the least

. If you're not running Fear Me with IWAY... then you're not running good IWAY.

Booyah... I run Fear Me!! and have recently considered IWAY as a nice replacement for a res sig in CA. It's just feasible with my attitude in gameplay... ^_^

Eonwe · Oct 17, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

I get my numbers from Ensign... *shrugs*

Sharpsight · Oct 17, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

4-5 pips isn't that much.

At 4 adrenaline it's 4 second recast (assuming it's being spammed with 33% ias); 3 energy per target at max (discounting sup runes or w/e); One pip is .33 energy per second. So assuming two people are hit with each fear me, that's 6 energy every 4 seconds = 1.5 energy per second, or ~4.33 pips.

Unless my math is wrong, that's quite reasonable.