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Prophecies Heleus · Oct 08, 2005, 07:55 PM // 19:55

After playing both build as axe and hammer im debating who will win in a one on one.
hammer-Advantage-Knockdown,Damage overall.Disavnatage-Slow,not too many dmaage added skill

Axe-Advantage-Fast,Major added damage skill,Disadvantage-too much builded adredaline need,not as much damage

Axe is fast and they do major damg after evicrate and certain attack hammer may kncodwn and give weaknesss but so can axe both seem to match evenly but i need to figure who will win

this fight will use no tatic or other just pure one on one strength allow
can anyone tell me who will win

GreatLich · Oct 08, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

the enterprise will win.

Slade xTekno · Oct 08, 2005, 09:04 PM // 21:04

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Originally Posted by GreatLich

the enterprise will win.

You're retarded.

1v1 is not yet possible in GW, so such a predicament wouldn't happen.
However, for the sake of the argument, I'll try to help you.

Axe is faster, and therefore will probably have its adrenaline combo of Eviscerate/Executioner's ready faster. Axe also has Disrupting Chop, which, if combined with an IAS boost [Frenzy, IWAY, etc.], could disrupt a hammer combo and Axe Twist, which causes Weakness.

The reason hammers are so powerful is their ability to knocklock. Many also have access to Aftershock, which does quite a bit of damage. If one were to go Devastating Hammer > Crushing Blow > Heavy Blow > Aftershock, he could do lots of damage without fear of a response. Plus, knockdowns all interrupt, and a hammer can easily inflict Weakness and also Blind.

To be honest, I don't know. However, you said that only one on one strength, so I'm assuming the Hammer Warrior could not use Aftershock. The advantage would then go to the Axe Warrior.

However, this is just my opinion. I enjoy playing both, and the argument could easily be expanded by including secondaries...

twicky_kid · Oct 08, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

You're retarded.

1v1 is not yet possible in GW, so such a predicament wouldn't happen.
However, for the sake of the argument, I'll try to help you.

Axe is faster, and therefore will probably have its adrenaline combo of Eviscerate/Executioner's ready faster. Axe also has Disrupting Chop, which, if combined with an IAS boost [Frenzy, IWAY, etc.], could disrupt a hammer combo and Axe Twist, which causes Weakness.

The reason hammers are so powerful is their ability to knocklock. Many also have access to Aftershock, which does quite a bit of damage. If one were to go Devastating Hammer > Crushing Blow > Heavy Blow > Aftershock, he could do lots of damage without fear of a response. Plus, knockdowns all interrupt, and a hammer can easily inflict Weakness and also Blind.

To be honest, I don't know. However, you said that only one on one strength, so I'm assuming the Hammer Warrior could not use Aftershock. The advantage would then go to the Axe Warrior.

However, this is just my opinion. I enjoy playing both, and the argument could easily be expanded by including secondaries...

the hammer will win in that situation.

IAS for an axe would have to use frenzy (really bad idea vs hammer), flurry (fast adrinaline charge), beserker's stance (very long recharge).

for a hammer i would use beserker's stance or flurry but probly beserkers. you only need 1 combo to go off for it to be devistating. once the hammer gets its KD skills flowing its over. soon as you get up you'll be KD again.

don't think it will matter too much considering both can inflict weakness. will be long but hammer will win.

smurfhunter · Oct 08, 2005, 11:59 PM // 23:59

yay another x vs y debate

ok ill tell you what i think are important advantages:

axe: fast attack speed, capable of doing a 'spike', also capable dealing alot of dps.

hammer: ability to knockdown, i.e. a distract with no counters like mantra of resolve or glyph of something. also capable of a spike, but its a different kind of spike from the axe spike. i personally think frenzy has a place in every hammer build since its the only really sustainable asi, something you absolutely need if you use a hammer.

the downside to both really is that most builds with a hammer or an axe *need* a weapon elite, meaning the builds arent that great if you use something like bulls charge or battle rage. this is especially true for hammers, axes are debatable.

both can cause a deep wound, which is like the basis for a melee spike. overall i think which is better depends largely on what build you use. you need to weigh the uses of knockdowns vs very high damage (both in spikes and sustained damage), basically.

GreatLich · Oct 09, 2005, 12:08 AM // 00:08

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Originally Posted by Slade xTekno

You're retarded.

It takes a thief to catch a thief I suppose... Any more insults at my adress? please post these so I can get you banned.

The OP proposes a situation wherein two warriors facing each other do nothing except exchange blows, this is ofcourse silly. Such a situation wil not ever occur. Even if it did, this would be so situational, one could not learn anything from the outcome.

even with skills factored in somehow, this comparison will simply not hold. What equipment is used? what mods, armour, atributes, runes etc.? Not to mention skill levels of the opposite players.

even if one could set up a satisfactory circumstance for comparing an Axe-warrior vs a Hammer-warrior, the answer to "Who will win?" is not applicable to other situations/builds etc. and therefore useless.

As for the question/situation by the OP, I'll stick to my previous answer, for it is equally valid as any other: the Enterprise wins.

LifeInfusion · Oct 09, 2005, 01:35 PM // 13:35

I disagree there are no counters for hammer: It's called balanced stance.

You also forget to take into account a hammer user has less AL, and doesn't have the shield bonuses.

Eonwe · Oct 09, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

So why are two warriors 1v1'ing again? Am I missing the point here?

Seissor · Oct 09, 2005, 01:47 PM // 13:47

Balanced stance, then i use eviscerate and plenty of other nasty skills, axe would win. and i got news for you, the hammer could also win, the game is made so no weapon build is totally awesome, it also depends on the players, their skill, and their build etc.

rii · Oct 09, 2005, 01:58 PM // 13:58

Wild Blow has a shorter cooldown than balanced stance. But look, a 1v1 thread thats degrading into counter talk..! Anyone else get the impression this is meaningless?

Jczech · Oct 09, 2005, 02:09 PM // 14:09

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Originally Posted by rii

Wild Blow has a shorter cooldown than balanced stance. But look, a 1v1 thread thats degrading into counter talk..! Anyone else get the impression this is meaningless?

Of course it's meaningless. Anything can beat anything else depending on what skills are taken. If the axe warrior and hammer warrior were picking skills specifically to face off against the other, then it would come down to player skill (which includes knowing what to pick for weapon mods and skills).

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

So why are two warriors 1v1'ing again? Am I missing the point here?

Maybe they're fighting over.. uhh.. treasure?

Dargull · Oct 09, 2005, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by Prophecies Heleus

After playing both build as axe and hammer im debating who will win in a one on one.
hammer-Advantage-Knockdown,Damage overall.Disavnatage-Slow,not too many dmaage added skill

Axe-Advantage-Fast,Major added damage skill,Disadvantage-too much builded adredaline need,not as much damage

Axe is fast and they do major damg after evicrate and certain attack hammer may kncodwn and give weaknesss but so can axe both seem to match evenly but i need to figure who will win

this fight will use no tatic or other just pure one on one strength allow
can anyone tell me who will win

And why exactly would i as a warrior want to target another warrior again....?

Pointless question btw, depends entirely on the build of either warrior.

smurfhunter · Oct 09, 2005, 08:56 PM // 20:56

what would be REALLY cool is if the strength attribute *wasnt* specific to a warrior primary.

that would be like... awesome

Tainted Poon · Oct 09, 2005, 10:01 PM // 22:01

The only use for hammers in my opinion is for 4vs4 areas great for targeting the monk with blood spikers and such, during GvG or Tombs axes or even swords totally out-weight hammers (axes being for great spike damage, but swords making casters bleed + fast adrenalin for some pretty good skills)

Nexx · Oct 09, 2005, 11:20 PM // 23:20

Sword.

entropy · Oct 10, 2005, 01:07 AM // 01:07

There is absolutely no point for this thread. Counters to counters to counters is just useless

unienaule · Oct 10, 2005, 01:14 AM // 01:14

This is a theoretical post, not a useless one. It's like Superman vs. Spiderman. Nobody asks why are they fighting each other in those...

Iraqalypse Now · Oct 10, 2005, 02:03 AM // 02:03

noone will win, because I will bring war/ele with charge (well, maybe) , armor of mist, sprint, and ice prison. Or if you don't allow running, I bring dolyak signet, watch yourself, mantra of resolve, defy pain, and healsig. One war can't damage through that, and they shouldn't have to (its called target switching).

pagansaint · Oct 10, 2005, 02:12 AM // 02:12

Greatlich... You really need to get a freaking clue lol. That was about the most mentally deficient answer I've seen on these boards. Ever. Maybe ANY board. Ever. So yes, that qualifies you saying that as retarded.

Ummm All this comes down to is who brings which antiwarrior skills and gets them off first/lands them. Both can cause weakness, but hammer can cause blind. Axe can deliver a faster spike but hammer hits are good damage to begin with. Hammer has its knockdowns but in the time it takes to start the knocklock an Axe warrior could Disrupting Chop and stop the hammer's knockdown chain.

So yeah, counters to counters to counters of counters is all this is.

Slade xTekno · Oct 10, 2005, 02:32 AM // 02:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by GreatLich

It takes a thief to catch a thief I suppose... Any more insults at my adress? please post these so I can get you banned.

The OP proposes a situation wherein two warriors facing each other do nothing except exchange blows, this is ofcourse silly. Such a situation wil not ever occur. Even if it did, this would be so situational, one could not learn anything from the outcome.

even with skills factored in somehow, this comparison will simply not hold. What equipment is used? what mods, armour, atributes, runes etc.? Not to mention skill levels of the opposite players.

even if one could set up a satisfactory circumstance for comparing an Axe-warrior vs a Hammer-warrior, the answer to "Who will win?" is not applicable to other situations/builds etc. and therefore useless.

As for the question/situation by the OP, I'll stick to my previous answer, for it is equally valid as any other: the Enterprise wins.

The guy who posted the one liner is going to get me banned? *shock*

Lol, the irony! :]

Of course it's not realistic, but for the sake of the argument you could at least compare the two.