Curse

seawalker · Nov 17, 2005, 05:04 PM // 17:04

I most get in on this its true that there are a lot of lame monks out there when it comes to healing and rez. I have been on a few missions just to find out that the monk can't rez or he's not watching the other players to help heal. But in the the same note i have seen great monks that try to do their best and have failed because the tank runs right out like Rambo against 8 fows and expects the healer to keep him alive. You have to help the healer out with stratiegy and forethought. The healer has a lot to do to watch 6-8 people and not to mention they are most likely the main target. ( But any monk to charge for there help is LAME and should be NURFED)

GWplayer745 · Nov 17, 2005, 09:42 PM // 21:42

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Originally Posted by VGJustice

Now, is it just me, or are some Monks in the game not really understanding their job? I can cope with Smiters, and I love Protectionists, but for the lurve of Pete, why are some of them just so bone stupid, for lack of a better (or rather, usable) term?

In response to your statement of some monks in the game not really understanding their job, yes I agree with that. However you also have to keep in mind that not only do some monks not know what they're supposed to do, people playing other professions have no idea what a monk is capable of doing and/or supposed to do. As to some monks being stupid, yeah you've got a good point there, BUT this doesn't just apply to monks. There are many people out there who have no f'ing idea how a monk is supposed to be played, nor do they know the monk's capabilities. I for one am a pretty experienced monk, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that Monks take so much abuse from other players.

How so? I'll briefly explain several scenarios. I play a PVP-only monk and I usually hang around Competition Arenas 90% of the time. Well, one of the first scenarios I'd like to describe is when I was playing a heal monk and got into CA. Our team won ten rounds in a row, and so we went to Team Arenas (TA) following our tenth consecutive win. Well, we didn't fair very well against the first team we played in TA, and so we lost. Well, right after the very last person died, one of my party members said something along the lines of "omfg noob monk. nice going [keeping us alive]" Now taking into account I was the only monk in the group, yeah you get my point...

The second scenario? Actually it's not exactly a particular scenario but more of a broad generalization. All I'll say is...for all you Monks out there, don't you love it when you enter a round, encounter a team with a couple Necros and/or Mesmers, and in a matter of seconds you find yourself with literally ten hexes on you...your team starts taking damage...they die...you die...then someone says "OMFG dude monk you f'ing suck blah blah blah blah blah..." And donm't you love it when your allies are taking damage, and you find yourself constantly knocked down (either with Thunderclap, a warrior having fun smashing you to bits, or an Ele who's keeping you on your butt), and your team dies, and you're called a noob monk? THOSE are you people who are idiots...

So bottom lines...1) if you want to play a monk, be ready to take a sh*tload of crap from other players, and 2) don't criticize others unless you yourself have played that profession extensively. IE. I have never played a ranger or a warrior, so I will never comment or criticize anyone on my team if they suck. Actually, it's not nice to do so to anyone, but especially in those circumstances. Likewise, people who have never played a monk to a large extent should Never, Ever, talk sh*t to monks about how they suck and how they can't heal for sh*t. You have no idea what those builds are vulnerable to and what they're capable of.

Quite honestly some people are really, really dumb. How can they expect a monk who's calling out the ten hexes he/she has on themselves, how can people expect that monk to frickin' HEAL!?!? man, some people just have no common sense...

skulldragger · Nov 17, 2005, 09:57 PM // 21:57

OK I have to share this with ya!
The story of the HAMMER MONK

OK we are doing the desert mission Elona’s Reach and have 4 guildies / rest pug. We start asking for a healer monk and after about 10 min or so we get this monk who joins. Party leader asks, are you set up for healing? He states yes and all ready to go. I am an Ele/Mo so I always take heal breeze / heal other / restore life and rest nuke. I ask him do you think you can handle the healing so I can set all to nuking or do you need me to help? He says I can handle it! So I spent all my attributes in fire/ES/etc and the 4 left over I put into healing. Yep we walked out the door into the mission and this monk pops mending and throws a huge Rams hammer over his shoulder. We are like ok he is just trying to be funny. As we approached the first set of mobs he runs up and starts wailing on them. I though well maybe he thinks he can attack and heal at the same time… but as his and others health started dropping it became evident he was not going to heal anyone INCLUDDING HIMSELF! It would be one thing if he was at least smite… but NO he was nothing but hammer and mending! So yes, this is the one time I yelled at another player! If he had of even said I need help or I will not heal anyone or SOMETHING I would have put more than 4 into healing prayers.

So naturally the first hammer that drops some one gives me so I can be a hammering/healing ele!

Samueldg · Nov 17, 2005, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by GWplayer745

In response to your statement of some monks in the game not really understanding their job, yes I agree with that. However you also have to keep in mind that not only do some monks not know what they're supposed to do, people playing other professions have no idea what a monk is capable of doing and/or supposed to do. As to some monks being stupid, yeah you've got a good point there, BUT this doesn't just apply to monks. There are many people out there who have no f'ing idea how a monk is supposed to be played, nor do they know the monk's capabilities. I for one am a pretty experienced monk, and I think I speak for everyone when I say that Monks take so much abuse from other players.

How so? I'll briefly explain several scenarios. I play a PVP-only monk and I usually hang around Competition Arenas 90% of the time. Well, one of the first scenarios I'd like to describe is when I was playing a heal monk and got into CA. Our team won ten rounds in a row, and so we went to Team Arenas (TA) following our tenth consecutive win. Well, we didn't fair very well against the first team we played in TA, and so we lost. Well, right after the very last person died, one of my party members said something along the lines of "omfg noob monk. nice going [keeping us alive]" Now taking into account I was the only monk in the group, yeah you get my point...

The second scenario? Actually it's not exactly a particular scenario but more of a broad generalization. All I'll say is...for all you Monks out there, don't you love it when you enter a round, encounter a team with a couple Necros and/or Mesmers, and in a matter of seconds you find yourself with literally ten hexes on you...your team starts taking damage...they die...you die...then someone says "OMFG dude monk you f'ing suck blah blah blah blah blah..." And donm't you love it when your allies are taking damage, and you find yourself constantly knocked down (either with Thunderclap, a warrior having fun smashing you to bits, or an Ele who's keeping you on your butt), and your team dies, and you're called a noob monk? THOSE are you people who are idiots...

So bottom lines...1) if you want to play a monk, be ready to take a sh*tload of crap from other players, and 2) don't criticize others unless you yourself have played that profession extensively. IE. I have never played a ranger or a warrior, so I will never comment or criticize anyone on my team if they suck. Actually, it's not nice to do so to anyone, but especially in those circumstances. Likewise, people who have never played a monk to a large extent should Never, Ever, talk sh*t to monks about how they suck and how they can't heal for sh*t. You have no idea what those builds are vulnerable to and what they're capable of.

Quite honestly some people are really, really dumb. How can they expect a monk who's calling out the ten hexes he/she has on themselves, how can people expect that monk to frickin' HEAL!?!? man, some people just have no common sense...

this is the NUMBER ONE reason why I barely play my monk in missions anymore..

I just simply got tired of wars attempting to aggro then back up into the party.... and all attack ONE ranger while theres three summit axe guys cutting me to chunks........

or the MOST FUN... doing fire islands missions because I know what a PITA it is to find monks there ( ive done all three missions months ago) and have the entire party run up close ,including casters, to destroy the mursaat tower and I cant heal them unless I get inside or use heal party... then one dies form an air spike and I hear " OMG WTF NOOB HEAL PARTY DONT WORK!!"

so now when I help a guildy I tell the entire team BEFORE the mission starts these simple rules..

1. if your not a war DONT GET CLOSE ENOUGH TO GET HIT until the war has FULL aggro. If you are getting hit and not a war primary run past the war and loose the aggro on the war.

2. if you are a war... backing up will be the last thing you do before you breath dirt.. I will not rez a aggro-retreat war. do your job so I can do mine.

3. be foul, curse, whine, complain and the mission will be done without you, even if it means we restart. I am hear for my guildy, not to take your abuse.

it seems to work rather well.. and yup my guildmates and I have restarted hells precip on the last boss because some turd decided it was a safe time to start cursing and being a jerk.

Waylayer Brixt · Nov 17, 2005, 10:17 PM // 22:17

Stupid people are a part of every game.

Part of playing is dealing with the shortcomings of the game, and taking fun from the good parts.

Ristaron · Nov 17, 2005, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I'm a pretty good healer (so I'm told), and I never EVER have charged for my services. Even when people would be willing to pay for me to enter (these parties I avoid, as they obviously lack skill enough to survive).

Healing Breeze is quite useful, especially stacked with a 20% longer enchantments staff wrapping. It overcomes DOT (and reverses it, pretty much), and coupled with somelike like Protective Spirit it will destroy any chance of someone getting spiked to death during the time its active.

(Also, I have yet any number of warriors overcome that combo when I cast it on myself... used to be my main one in CA where an entire team of warriors would rush me. I once held myself for 2 minutes with that combo while the rest of my team killed off the warriors one by one.
If only they were smart enough to bring interrupts...)

fullmental · Nov 17, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

early in the game you dont have the luxury of being picky and healing beeze does come in handy.ive just started monk waiting to get word of healing seems rly good

Manfred · Nov 18, 2005, 01:35 AM // 01:35

although, if you're a prot monk, spirit+hands=by bye, all dmg.

Fire Of Duragon · Nov 18, 2005, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Elrodien

Going off-topic a little, but have you ever refused to heal someone in a PUG due to their annoying habits?

My pet hate:

The warrior who rushes out of your spell range straight into a mob and then as he hits 10 health screams 'HEAL', which is shortly followed by spamming ''REZ me' or 'BEEFCAKE is dead!'.

These guys are not worthy of your divine attention!

sry for the off topic post, but thats fn funny.
'BEEFCAKE is Dead!'

twicky_kid · Nov 18, 2005, 05:02 AM // 05:02

i got one for you.

doing infusion run. got 3 guildies with me non of us monks. 2 pug monks. get to seer and skip scene. of course war runs in after the first boss and makes the entire wisp army pop up. they spike 3 targets at once. down to 5 all monks alive. start killing them. then another SoJ (sig not shield) spike down to 3 people 1 monk left. then 1 guy dies. down to 1 w/mo (guildy) and pug monk standing way outside of arrgo. they are killing my guildy and what is monk doing HEAL AREA!!!

this is what is left after the invinsimonk nerfs. a bunch of people that have no idea how to heal anyone else but themselves.

Red Locust · Nov 18, 2005, 05:21 AM // 05:21

Hah, yeah, it gets pretty ugly. I've had monk/mesmers using only ether feast and heal area. When I ask them why the hell they're only using ether feast while the rest of our team starts hitting the dirt, their response was, "because I am draining their energy."

This game's too complicated for its own good. The odds of an average person coming up with a good build amidst the tons of shitty skills out there, without the help of forums/knowledgeable friends, are very slim.

VGJustice · Nov 18, 2005, 06:18 AM // 06:18

to those who have mentioned it, I have played a Healer in PvE. My second character was a Mo/E. I really liked her, and I had a good deal of fun with that character. Now, she's been erased a replaced with a PvP character of the same name. Why? Because, later on in the game, I was tired of the BS I'd get trying to heal. Bad healer? Maybe, probably. But, dangit, I at least learned what they were capable of. I usually bring along a self-heal now when I do PvE, regardless of the class I'm using, because I want to help the healer. If I'm regenerating, the healer doesn't need to power heal on me. If I slap on Whirling Defence + Healing Spring + Troll Ungent (tough to pull off as a melee, let me tell you), then the healer suddenly has a much easier time of it. I did that on Defend Denravi, only 1 healer, and the mission was cake.

I'll grant that for every healer that was second-class-blind, I've had healers that didn't need any help at all, were friendly and knew when and how to heal. I have a great deal of respect for them. And, likewise, I've watched melee Mesmers w/o Illusionary Weaponry demand healing because they just pulled two mobs onto themselves like an idiot. I've seen Warriors try to Nuke. I've seen Necro's that fight over corpses because they didn't realize that maybe the other necro might have something else. I've seen Ele's charge into mobs because they only have PB spells. And I've seen Rangers try to trap with pets. I've seen things that just blow my mind with the level of stupid. Not just your everyday stupid, but the Beyond the Call of Stupid.

You know, I just remembered one from when my Mo/E existed. I got a team of 5 Monk primaries and a W/Mo going out of Amnoon. Now, you'd think that with that many Monk's, I'd have at least one other to help heal. The reality? The W/Mo didn't have the heals to keep himself alive, 3 of them seemed to just stand there and do nothing, I ran myself out of energy trying to heal the group, and the last one turned out to be a melee monk. All in all, a group with 6 Monk classes, and I was the only healer. There wasn't a Protectionist, there wasn't even a Smiter. We didn't make it to the first Teleporter.

twicky_kid · Nov 18, 2005, 06:32 AM // 06:32

after running infusion again tonight i realize that the real idiots flock to iron mines.

running infusion. i got to seer everyone else had died and one guy left. i barely made it, 37 hp with endure pain on. 3 members didn't skip scene. after the camera did one of its sweeping motions i saw the little aura come up (you know when you get by smiting). the scene is finally over with. 2 guys are dead rest of us at 1/4. the monk immediatly heals himself and runs for the hills. usually i would have yelled at him but i knew what he was doing. the monk had rebirth and waited for the azure to clear. rebirthed us all. now 15 minutes later we are rdy to go. fight towards the monster to get shard. we kill him quickly and a war picks up the shard. first thing he does is hit his running skills and leaves the group behind. soon after he kamikazis into a group of mursaat holding the shard.

now you got a group of non-infused people with a shard surrounded by mursaat.

i leave group grab henches and do the run in the length of a metallica song. this is the kind of crap that makes me want to quit this game sometimes. also the reason i left pve a LONG time ago and never looked back. should have known that update wouldn't have made people "smarter."

NightOwl · Nov 18, 2005, 11:06 AM // 11:06

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Originally Posted by FrogDevourer

Sigh... Do we have to go over this nonsense again? No offense intended but you've been proven wrong multiple times, and by multiple people. You can show insane numbers in a theoretical situation that will never happen. Does it help with actual gameplay? No.

BS Theory Reference #1
BS Theory Reference #2
Unfortunately the original theory mentioned in this post is no longer online.

Those theories were a great read, however I could make no sense of the initial posts. Guess I'll just have to deal with being a sub-par monk (and all around player), due to my insufficient grasp of basic concepts. Boo me, but ty for posting those links.

Makkert · Nov 18, 2005, 11:20 AM // 11:20

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Originally Posted by NightOwl

Those theories were a great read, however I could make no sense of the initial posts. Guess I'll just have to deal with being a sub-par monk (and all around player), due to my insufficient grasp of basic concepts. Boo me, but ty for posting those links.

There is a reason you don't understand the initial posts. They simply aren't the best advice to beginning players. Or expert players, for that matter.
You can be a stellar monk if you don't follow those initial posts, but more read the comments that it caused on why the initial post made no sense.

~ makk