Curse

Nightwish · Nov 18, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

Sure, paladins may not be using the most optimal skill set but they are far better than eviscerate warriors who:

Attack tanking monks with limited heals
Attack other warriors when there are other weaker armored foes/healing monk
Attack anyone under Glad Def/ Bonetti stances
Chasing rangers with pindown while there are softer targets within reach

Above are just some of the examples being done by alot of warriors.

Of course paladins doing the same thing probably worse but yea, knowing target priority is more important than a uber skill set imo

Dzan · Nov 18, 2005, 05:20 PM // 17:20

I think the thing that pisses people off about "paladins" is when they cast Mending on themselves at the start of the match.

If you are going to bring horrible skills like Mending to random pvp, at least cast it on a soft target, your monk if you have one, or whoever the next most aggroed person will be, probably the mesmer.

Dasensai · Nov 18, 2005, 05:30 PM // 17:30

I was a healing monk in random PvP last night and had a paladin on my team that casted mending on himself. I asked him to take it off himself and throw it on me instead. I said "its not like I'm not going to heal you".

He says "No mending helps me out so much. I'll be the last one standing, you watch"

Of course your gonna be the last one alive, you're a warrior. So he just kept it on himself and after my teammates and I were dead he starts bragging about how the other team couldn't kill him. But he was doing no damage, just standing there and self healing and doing the occasional sword attack.

I don't mind people using the Paladin build if they are new to PvP and trying it out but I just hate when you expain something like this to the paladin and they don't listen or don't care.

Nightwish · Nov 18, 2005, 05:40 PM // 17:40

im not sure which is worse, a w/mo using mending or a w/ele casting flares :P

Anyway, I do understand your points of view regarding most paladins but knowing target priority is very very important imo. An average skill set will do.

Alone) · Nov 18, 2005, 05:49 PM // 17:49

Hey, my warrior/ele likes casting flares just fine.

Are we bashing the pre-made paladin build? Most people find it sucky because many new people start using it for a first time experience.

Vindexus · Nov 18, 2005, 06:16 PM // 18:16

So basically you're saying that a person who does really stupid stuff is playing worse than someone playing well.

Insightful.

rii · Nov 18, 2005, 06:26 PM // 18:26

Or: People who suck suck and people who dont dont.

Sarus · Nov 18, 2005, 07:36 PM // 19:36

I just thought of something brilliant ... why not play well AND use a good build. Contrary to popular belief good builds and good playing skills are not mutually exclusive.

sleazeh · Nov 18, 2005, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Other than quirky once-in-a-while type builds, a PvP's Warrior's only job is to provide damage, as fast and as much as possible.

You don't bring a spoon to a knife fight, you don't bring a goat to a dog show, and you don't bring a hooker home to meet your mom.

Why would you bring healing and defensive skills to a damage role?

Ergo, people bash paladins. It's like bringing a goat to a dog show.

granor · Nov 18, 2005, 09:07 PM // 21:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dasensai

I was a healing monk in random PvP last night and had a paladin on my team that casted mending on himself. I asked him to take it off himself and throw it on me instead. I said "its not like I'm not going to heal you".

He says "No mending helps me out so much. I'll be the last one standing, you watch"

I had a very similar situation. I said "no mending for me?" I was thinking he hasn't noticed he has a monk on his team this time. He said no it would cost me too much energy. I was thinking jerk so I shot off a quick "well maybe I will just not heal you to save ME energy" He said just try it noob. Obviously we were off to a great start working as a team.
Well anyway we won and I was looking at our conversation and thought. OOO he thinks I wanted a Mending also. This would really mess up his energy having only 2 energy regen to begin with.
So I shoot off again. "Why don't you give me a mending instead of you I can heal you well enough". He said "no I will take more damage than you." Here I was very confused

I mean I have 60 ar he has at least 80 right? So I said "don't I take more damge? " Maybe he has some strange build going on after all. Maybe he thinks he gets hit more often?
Well we got into the match after that so he never answered me. I figured no biggie you get busy during the match. Well we won again so I started up again. "why don't you give me the mending and we will just try it once" I got a "shut the ---- up noob" for my trouble. I stoped the converstion after this.

The odd part is I HAVE run a paladin before and get this.... after casting my mending on our monk the team starting harassing me. "NOOB you put mending on me idiot" "Can't belive you don't know how to target noob" I said no the monk is a softer target than me. Didn't get anything from the team after that so I am not sure if they understood or not.

So as a new player to PVP you get ridiculed no matter what you do so how are they supposed to know?

Man With No Name · Nov 18, 2005, 09:20 PM // 21:20

Quote:

Originally Posted by granor

So as a new player to PVP you get ridiculed no matter what you do so how are they supposed to know?

Mending's a really poor way to use 1 pip of energy regeneration. There's NOTHING wrong with putting enchantments on your Monk -- if you don't need the energy.

Try taking Life Bond or Life Barrier (E) -- that's how you make a true protective "Paladin" -- the target will take half-damage, much better than the +6 HP a second from Mending. Even something like Succor will give your Monk an extra pip of energy regeneration.

As it stands ( and will stand

) -- the majority of the W/Mo's bring self-heals, no speed buffs, no snares, no increased attack speed, some don't even bring a rez signet -- they're essentially useless clumps of steel -- and deserve to take a bashing.

Nothing wrong with the W/Mo combination -- it's picking the right attribute line that's the problem...

Vincent Ritz · Nov 18, 2005, 09:28 PM // 21:28

^AMEN^

I bring Life Bond, Succor, res sig, and 5 adrenal skills, and If I'm lucky enough to get a Healer/Proter monk, the matches quickly go from a just barely win to a flawless. (the life bond alone practically doubles the amount of energy a monk has to heal himself/herself.)

hcl40u · Nov 18, 2005, 09:41 PM // 21:41

Sad to see most W/Mo's just use their healing skills for themselves. There are times when I see healing hands/breeze cast on a non-Warrior by a W/Mo. Good to know there are some that know how to really play a paladin build. Though I see quite a few W/Mo use orison of healing...yeah that 30-50hp heal is going to be real helpful there with your 20ish energy and 2 pips of regen.

Also strange enough some even use watchful spirit along with mending. I guess they think having +6 hp regen at the expense of your energy regen is the way to go.

granor · Nov 18, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Vincent Ritz

^AMEN^

I bring Life Bond, Succor, res sig, and 5 adrenal skills, and If I'm lucky enough to get a Healer/Proter monk, the matches quickly go from a just barely win to a flawless. (the life bond alone practically doubles the amount of energy a monk has to heal himself/herself.)

This is great if you have the skills unlocked. But to be honest most people playing the paladin I would guess do not have the skills unlocked. the thing that sucks is even given the sub optimal skills people seem to use them incorrectly.

I can understand a warrior wanting the 6 pips of regen. I mean the first thing you notice as a warrior in random is you get owned by anything that bypasses your armor. Health degen is what you notice so you bring regen. Not the right thing to do but at least I understand the logic behind it.

Not having a monk consistantly on your team makes you make a lot of bad skill choices simply because you are trying to fix something that to be honest isn't your problem to begin with.

I am not trying to justify the actions of the newer players but if we can understand them maybe we can get them to understand us

Eet GnomeSmasher · Nov 18, 2005, 11:24 PM // 23:24

Pfft. No paladin can be worse than this monk I once encountered in Random... He put Holy Wrath and Retribution...on the War/Mo!

Oh and I disagree that it's wrong to bring a self heal in the Random arenas...I mean most of the time you won't get a Monk.

Red Locust · Nov 19, 2005, 01:53 AM // 01:53

Sarus beat me to it, but yeah, I have no idea why you would prioritize target calling over a good build when you should have both. I'm gonna close this thread, it puts the phrase "strategy discussion" to shame.