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Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

Hundred blades is a very good Warrior Elite for damage with the right build.
I just thought about one possibility for HoH or GvG:

3x Monks (as usual)
1x Necro (with order)
4x Warrior/Mesmer

Skillsetup for the warriors (the important skills)
1. and 2.) 1) Hundred Blades
2) Arcane Mimikry
3. and 4.) 1) Illusionary Weaponry
2) Arcane Mimikry

All 4 Warriors have 2 Elites with the help of Arcane Mimikry. They cast Imaginary Weapons before the fight begins. Now lets calculate the damage output whilst using a hundred blades:

Vampiresword: 5
Illusionary Weaponry: 40 (depends on the attributes)
Order: 20 (depends on the attributes)

This makes 65*2 = 130damage.
130damage*4 = 520damage.
Some very nice damage for 4 Warriors. Comes near to ele damage, and the best about it is, that Warriors have great armor, so it gets the best about damage and selfprotection. Post your opinion about it please.

JR · Nov 24, 2005, 04:36 PM // 16:36

Wow that not only doesn't work at all, but is very poorly put together, well done!

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

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Originally Posted by JR-

Wow that not only doesn't work at all, but is very poorly put together, well done!

I beg your pardon? how do you mean that?
please explain yourself.

Josh · Nov 24, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Aegis
Guardian
Shield of Judgment
Shield of Deflection
Escape
And other Ranger skills can counter that quite easy?

Some Illusionary Weapon may get around.

[EDIT]
Also, why do Arcane Mimicry? When you can just do Arcane Echo, which becomes the next spell you use + has a 20 second recharge, and not a 60 recharge sec recharge like Mimicry.

JR · Nov 24, 2005, 04:39 PM // 16:39

Trying to use a vampiric weapon, and orders, with Illusionary Weaponry?

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by JR-

Trying to use a vampiric weapon, and orders, with Illusionary Weaponry?

doesn't it stack?

natus · Nov 24, 2005, 04:42 PM // 16:42

nope, read the skill description on illusionary weaponry.
you dont deal damage, the enemy takes damge, so you dont really hit anything.
the hundred blades part might might, vampiric and orders wont.

Klmpee · Nov 24, 2005, 04:43 PM // 16:43

orders dont stack with IW

Eonwe · Nov 24, 2005, 04:45 PM // 16:45

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Originally Posted by Josh

Aegis
Guardian
Shield of Judgment
Shield of Deflection
Escape
And other Ranger skills can counter that quite easy?

IW is going to hit 100% of the time through all of those.

Also, like JR said. Orders aren't going to stack with the damage from IW. Orders only work if you have physical damage. Also, the maximum amount of damage you can do with IW on a secondary type charcter is 34 damage per swing, not 40.

unamed player · Nov 24, 2005, 04:46 PM // 16:46

Order only works with physical damage does it not? If you put on illusionary your doing chaos dmg and the buff will be null. Also arcane mimicry is expensive for a warrior to use considering your going to be also spamming illusionary weaponry+hundred blades. Hb uses 5 energy and for the same amount of energy you could increase your speed (flurry) and get in more attacks that way. Also a wars illusion is capped at lvl 12 and its not even 40 damage. You are right about the warrriors getting the best defense but thats pretty much it. They would only be weaker versions of a real mesmer IW. While its a great idea, the buffs unfortunatly dont stack and whoever copies the one hundred blades with mimicry wont have it for very long and when it wears off hes useless for quite a while. Anyway not trying to burst your bubble. It was a good idea but unfortunatly you havent tested it. Im only responding to this because my old guild tried a true mesmer IW build and even then we didnt do enough damage with lvl16 illusion. Your warriors would be more defensive but any necro would strip you to death..but thats besides the point..you'd be weak as hell anyway.

Sorry was writing this up before the latest posters..Sorry for repeats.

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

ok thx, got that one wrong, but I thought the idea is nice, you can get it otherwise then:

2-3monks
6-5warriors

As you have 6warriors, the monks mostly only need to heal themselves or get rid of conditions, so you could let one apart for more damage.

Damage with IW and HB for:

5Warriors: 5*68 = 340
6Warriors: 6*68 = 408

I think the best part about it is, that it is AoE damage, so if you have the ennemi team all together.

Best example: Healing ball, and they have less than 340 or 408 life, you kill them pretty pretty fast.

EDIT: also nice about it is as Eonwe said, that it hits 100% of the time.
I'm sure it can be made better, as the energy costs are high at the moment. Perhaps with that sword extension that you get 1energy for each hit. Don't know if it works for IW, but if it does, you get over 5 energy if you have 3ennemies close to you. So that would solve the energy problem.

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:52 PM // 16:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by unamed player

Order only works with physical damage does it not? If you put on illusionary your doing chaos dmg and the buff will be null. Also arcane mimicry is expensive for a warrior to use considering your going to be also spamming illusionary weaponry+hundred blades. Hb uses 5 energy and for the same amount of energy you could increase your speed (flurry) and get in more attacks that way. Also a wars illusion is capped at lvl 12 and its not even 40 damage. You are right about the warrriors getting the best defense but thats pretty much it. They would only be weaker versions of a real mesmer IW. While its a great idea, the buffs unfortunatly dont stack and whoever copies the one hundred blades with mimicry wont have it for very long and when it wears off hes useless for quite a while. Anyway not trying to burst your bubble. It was a good idea but unfortunatly you havent tested it. Im only responding to this because my old guild tried a true mesmer IW build and even then we didnt do enough damage with lvl16 illusion. Your warriors would be more defensive but any necro would strip you to death..but thats besides the point..you'd be weak as hell anyway.

Sorry was writing this up before the latest posters..Sorry for repeats.

thanks for that one, just thought about it. Just one more thing I really want to know, as I couldn't test it. As HB gives you much adrenaline. Does the damage of warrior adrenaline attacks add to the IW damage??

JR · Nov 24, 2005, 04:55 PM // 16:55

No, it doesn't

unamed player · Nov 24, 2005, 04:57 PM // 16:57

No it doesnt and you wont gain any adrenaline either. You have to think of it like your not really hitting the guy. Everytime you swing your weapon its like your casting a mini spell and hitting him for chaos damage. The only reason IW really doesnt work in 8v8 is because of enchantment removal. If they figure out your build, the necro will strip you of all your enchants every 10 seconds. In 40 seconds if the other team is smart and the necro has rend enchantment..he will have stripped all your warriors enchantments and considering that you'll probably have 0 in sword mastery your going to be pretty much useless hitting for 2 dmg. Add in the recharge time for IW+Mimicry and you just dont find this build very advantageous anymore. Dont take my word for it..try it for yourself and you'll see what i mean.

Good Luck

Too Hot Fo You · Nov 24, 2005, 04:59 PM // 16:59

ok, I think my proposition isn't really the all-team-killer, but I think it's a nice idea, because there are not many setups who can deal such a huge AoE damage. Perhaps you should bring 5Warriors with HB and only the last one has HB, as Arcane Mimikry wears off after 20seconds, you only lost 1/6 of your damage. and IW holds on for 40seconds. That would perhaps solve a few problems. As 400damage spike every 5seconds isn't that bad.

Yes I agree totally, stripping enchants is killing. You could go on with normal skills, as 6Warriors are still good damage dealers, also without IW (see iway), they can get blocked then by prot skills and stuff, the only damage they loose when they get stripped is the AoE damage.
If they have adrenalin skills for the rest of the bar, you get the AoE damage lost, back by singletarget damage from the adrenalin skills.

entropy · Nov 24, 2005, 06:31 PM // 18:31

OMG just get 5 eles with chain then god! Stop trying to justify uses for one of the crappiest elites ever. Enchant removal. IW will get removed fast. IW is pitiful damage.

unamed player · Nov 24, 2005, 06:47 PM // 18:47

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Originally Posted by entropy

OMG just get 5 eles with chain then god! Stop trying to justify uses for one of the crappiest elites ever. Enchant removal. IW will get removed fast. IW is pitiful damage.

If your going to give someone advice at least do it right. Chain spikers are just as pathetic. Maybe if you would have said earth spike or something with a little more creativity i wouldnt be writing this. But dont bash the guy for trying to be original. He posted here for advice and not to get sappy advice from someone who doesnt know how pathetic chain spike has become. FYI 1 fast monk with p spirit will shut you down even quicker than with this guys build.

Not trying to turn this into a huge flame but seriously consider what you post before killing someone elses idea.

leeky baby · Nov 24, 2005, 07:19 PM // 19:19

IW+flurry
me/w
is gd but i stil think that a TF warrior is better.

Batou of Nine · Nov 24, 2005, 08:23 PM // 20:23

and one big flaw. If the OP didnt already know, IW and Hundread Blades are BOTH elites, one warrior cannot equip both. IW can ONLY be used on self, it cannot be caste on a seperate ally.

IN OTHER WORDS:: There is no possible skill setup, group setup for a character to use both Hundred Blades and IW at the same time. GG your build is shot. No need for further debate...

unamed player · Nov 24, 2005, 08:26 PM // 20:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Batou of Nine

and one big flaw. If the OP didnt already know, IW and Hundread Blades are BOTH elites, one warrior cannot equip both. IW can ONLY be used on self, it cannot be caste on a seperate ally.

IN OTHER WORDS:: There is no possible skill setup, group setup for a character to use both Hundred Blades and IW at the same time. GG your build is shot. No need for further debate...

Maybe you should have read his entire post:P He included arance mimicy which copies the skill of the person its cast on.

Me/W is a nice combo but way overplayed and still has the strip enchantment issue. Oh well.