Curse

3lite · Dec 04, 2005, 07:14 PM // 19:14

hm how should i put this...this build is totally pointless...cant deal damage,dont even have a rez sig, and casters would rape you

Lambentviper · Dec 04, 2005, 07:49 PM // 19:49

how many monks do you know and/or see that focus on dealing direct damage to enemies?

All of you seem to be fooled by the primary profession here. My original post was just saying how i had just recenlty used it. Not, exactly how it should be run each and every time.

Tmm Ryan · Dec 04, 2005, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

Im sure im not the only one to have come up with a build like this, but i thought it was pretty cool and somewhat unique sorta. Its not complete, i still needed to add a vamp axe head and a shelter rod (or whatever)

I could have gone for much much longer, but someone IMed me and my game screen minimized itself and wouldnt come aback up for like 5 mins. The guys i was fighting (well, sorta fighting) were so mad.

Image:
http://www.geocities.com/lambenthacks/gw077.jpg

And for those of you who may not know how this works: Live Vicariously allows me to gain 11 health whenver hitting with an attack. Mending i constant +3 health regen. w00t. This leaves me with 0 energy regen, so bonettis defense reducdes damage to me, while spawning 5 energy onto me whenevr an attack fails to hit me. Vigorous Spirit is another +11 health for every hit i make, giving that +22 health for each hit. Healing Breeze and Healing Hands is to spike my health back up whenever it may drop dangerously low. Obviously, purge conditions is to remove anything that may hinder my almost unlimited health.

when you come up against a domination magic mesmer u are stuck. Backfire + empathy + shatter enchantment will bring u down in no more than 10 seconds.

Eonwe · Dec 04, 2005, 07:58 PM // 19:58

So useless :| .

Man With No Name · Dec 04, 2005, 08:01 PM // 20:01

I'll be blunt,

This is a poor "build" (read: piece of s**t), by a poor player (read: assclown)

It goes against everything that is PvP, by not playing to win / making a decent attempt to win

You've spent over 18 minutes to get what...75 faction ?? You've entered the Arenas with the sole intention of destroying another players experience by forcing a retarded battle of attrition.

Am I/We meant to be impressed..??

Only a complete and utter simpleton could think that's a good use of time for such a low reward. Instead of being a complete assclown -- you could've built a real warrior and earnt a far greater amount in a much shorter space of time.

Anet should change all the CA maps to Deathmatch types -- since people, in general, clearly aren't smart enough to police themselves.

Neo-LD · Dec 04, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

since no one has bothered to spell it out for him yet, i will.

1) You cant kill anything, plain and simple. Any team with any kind of shred of common sense, particularly teams with monks, will never, ever, ever get killed by this thing. Your dps is comparable to a pet.

2) You claim to be a 'monk with better armor', yet you cannot save your teammates, at all. There is basically no way that build could ever, ever save anyone, so ther is no way it can stand in for a monk.

3) The only person you can save is yourself. That is, until all you teammates are dead since you cant save them. At that point, you will be slowly overwhelmed by the combined attack of 4 people. In the event that the opposing team is SO BAD that they cant crack open a paladin defense (meaning no energy drain, no degeneration, no snares, no interupt, no enchantment removal, no stance breakers, no knockdowns, no blackouts, no spiteful, empathy, or insidious) then maybe after 10 minutes they will leave and you will be rewarded with +25 faction for the "win".

now, how to fix your build:

In pvp it is solely the monks job (the actual monks) to make those red bars go up. Notice that that build is NOT a monk because it cannot raise the health of other teammates. Actual monks have direct healing spells that can go to anyone, at anytime. It is the offenses job to both go and kill, and to disrupt the enemy offense's damage output to help out your monks.

Therefore, an offensive character should have absoluetely zero heal / self defense skills, as it is not his job to do that. An offensive character should drop every defensive skill from his bar (in your case, that is everything but disrupting chop) and use nothing but damage-increasing, attack-rate boosting, spell-disrupting skills. Examples of good skills are eviscerate and executioners strike.

after writing this post, i wonder to myself why i bothered to take the time to explain that. its probably cus there arent enough guildmates/friends on atm for tombs.

Amn_En_Tarsath · Dec 04, 2005, 08:44 PM // 20:44

As long as there are total freaks who... well, freak out everytime someone tries this or something similiar - there will be people making fun of those. As i allready said (arguments tend to be ignored in favor of "bashing" someone) a simple "Stop it please" will indeed bring most griefers to a stop. Or simply avoid attacking them, sit down, have a talk.
There are plenty of tactics against persons who brought a griefing build. And out of all options you have, you chose the single one that shows you're a total moron, freak, nerd and on top of that a useless contribution to mankind which should inspire it for birth control.

You chose:
Act the most dumb way you can and start throwing words at them so disgusting and extreme most didn't even remotely think of.

Seriously... you WANT something? Yet you behave like a total asshole (sorry for the harsh word but this really is the only one fitting) while trying to get it? And it really takes you wonder the other person simply ignores you? This kind of behaviour atleast explains some modern day politics.

Basic rule for living these days.
You want something, you got to be friendly or have the power to back your words up. In Guildwars you don't have the power to do that, so your only option is the friendly way.

/edit:
I don't want anything to happen. You either understand, or you don't. Not my problem at all. But it is allways fun to see people explode about simple things such as a very simple build in a simple game. And allways, their only try to "fix" that is to set a new records for swearings.

mortalis doleo · Dec 04, 2005, 08:58 PM // 20:58

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

Yeah i actually have 39 points of energy. and 19 is a big difference when it comes to spells that only cost 5, and sometimes 10 energy to cast. I do not alwasy ahve both enchants on, otherwise i would be stuck with the mana i had until someone attacks me. That would just be stupid. Vigorous Spirit plus my Vampiric Axe gain me back a significant amount of health per hit, while the low cost of Healing Hands is very helpful as a panic button.

Usually in CA with this build ive been playing teams with mesmers that dont know how to handle me running at them and sling random hexes on me. But about 60% of the time with this build there has been groups of 2-3 W/Mo or W/R and id run in front of them with vigorous spirit, and HB on and they would all stop and attack me while the elementalists behind me dropped meteorson them. I felt like i had a purpose in life

And also blackout is a killer for this build. Im still working on it though....

well like ive said, this build isnt done yet. Im expirimenting on what works well with and against other things. and when you say "but you cant get any energy during the fight" you are clearly too caught up in your own "personal triumph" to realize that i dont always need both enchants on me or sum1 else every single second of the fight.

And "what do you do when you are the last man standing???" well. i tried to get an image up there where i dragged the fight to about 18 mins or so and my teamates were laughing at the other team for not being able to kill me 1v4.I turn the fight into an entertainment for my teamates. They enjoy it. And isnt the game supposed to be enjoyed? But in the end, my game screen minimized itself for a pop-up and i lost my groove. 'twas so sad.

do you seriously believe your friends enjoyed waiting 18 minutes for you to die already???
im sure they waited for 2 minutes for you to res the, then they got annoyed.

i remmember the photo you posted (which has since magically dissapeared), there was you, a dead IW mesmer and 2 people who had left.

lets think carefully, as to not hurt one's frail brain. why do you think they quit???

don't answer that. you would just be making more of an ass out of yourself.
please... "i'm helping the team by entertaining them" WTF???

Wasteland Squidget · Dec 04, 2005, 09:18 PM // 21:18

Sounds like you need to join the SUPER TANKS!!!

BBoy_Manchild · Dec 04, 2005, 09:38 PM // 21:38

why are you people making fun of this idiot, he will (at least i hope he will) come to see that making a build that is hard to kill is CRAP. even if he doesnt, i will enjoy making him my little newbie play thing, nothing is easier to take out then a "hard to kill" warrior, with such little damage i have no fear of dying to him, so i savor killing him like i savor devouring a fresh 20oz of diet dew and a bag of chex mix

entropy · Dec 04, 2005, 10:58 PM // 22:58

Its useless it sucks and you've shown your lack of any brain with this pathetic griefer build. If you want to grief do it right!!!!

Rico Carridan · Dec 04, 2005, 11:18 PM // 23:18

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

Yeah i actually have 39 points of energy. and 19 is a big difference when it comes to spells that only cost 5, and sometimes 10 energy to cast. I do not alwasy ahve both enchants on, otherwise i would be stuck with the mana i had until someone attacks me. That would just be stupid. Vigorous Spirit plus my Vampiric Axe gain me back a significant amount of health per hit, while the low cost of Healing Hands is very helpful as a panic button.

39 points of energy is not significant with only 2 pips of regen at best! If you want to use healing for your team at least bring a zealous axe and flurry or something for the extra pips of regeneration. And based on your screenshot, no, you did not do a good job of helping your team, since they're all dead. If you can't win 10 straight in comp arenas with a warrior, ranger, mesmer and monk, there's got to be something wrong.

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

Usually in CA with this build ive been playing teams with mesmers that dont know how to handle me running at them and sling random hexes on me.

They probably are throwing random hexes that reduce your adrenaline or the amount of damage you do, then they ignore you until the rest of the team is dead. The only advantage you have is that you don't do any damage or need any adrenaline, so in that sense they don't know how to handle you--they should just leave you alone.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambentviper

But about 60% of the time with this build there has been groups of 2-3 W/Mo or W/R and id run in front of them with vigorous spirit, and HB on and they would all stop and attack me while the elementalists behind me dropped meteorson them. I felt like i had a purpose in life

Umm... I've almost never seen meteor shower in comp arenas. And while some (stupid) people may engage you, you will probably find that the majority of people will leave you with a few hexes or conditions on and otherwise ignore you.

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

And also blackout is a killer for this build. Im still working on it though....

Practically any mesmer build could beat you. Blackout is only one option. As a warrior, there is pretty much no defense against a mesmer who's out to get you. Or a necro, for that matter.

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Originally Posted by Lambentviper

well like ive said, this build isnt done yet. Im expirimenting on what works well with and against other things. and when you say "but you cant get any energy during the fight" you are clearly too caught up in your own "personal triumph" to realize that i dont always need both enchants on me or sum1 else every single second of the fight.

That's what you were implying. The point is, even with 39 energy and 1 pip, or hell, even your 2 pips of regen, you *still* aren't half as effective as a template monk build, let alone a good one.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambentviper

And "what do you do when you are the last man standing???" well. i tried to get an image up there where i dragged the fight to about 18 mins or so and my teamates were laughing at the other team for not being able to kill me 1v4.I turn the fight into an entertainment for my teamates. They enjoy it. And isnt the game supposed to be enjoyed? But in the end, my game screen minimized itself for a pop-up and i lost my groove. 'twas so sad.

Congratulations, you are officially a griefer.

Rico

Fenris Wulf · Dec 04, 2005, 11:26 PM // 23:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Lambentviper

Im sure im not the only one to have come up with a build like this, but i thought it was pretty cool and somewhat unique sorta. Its not complete, i still needed to add a vamp axe head and a shelter rod (or whatever)

I could have gone for much much longer, but someone IMed me and my game screen minimized itself and wouldnt come aback up for like 5 mins. The guys i was fighting (well, sorta fighting) were so mad.

Image:
http://www.geocities.com/lambenthacks/gw077.jpg

And for those of you who may not know how this works: Live Vicariously allows me to gain 11 health whenver hitting with an attack. Mending i constant +3 health regen. w00t. This leaves me with 0 energy regen, so bonettis defense reducdes damage to me, while spawning 5 energy onto me whenevr an attack fails to hit me. Vigorous Spirit is another +11 health for every hit i make, giving that +22 health for each hit. Healing Breeze and Healing Hands is to spike my health back up whenever it may drop dangerously low. Obviously, purge conditions is to remove anything that may hinder my almost unlimited health.

OOOh look, I am famous!!! Thats me with the super sweet hammer!! : ) See, I was in this match, and I still think it was hillarious. His team dropped incredibly quickly and the whole time this guys was like "Who wants to 1vs1 me?" Ahhh the sweet cry of the f-tard. Dont let him try and talk himself out of this by say he didn't wwait till his team was dead, that is exactly what happened, he ran the back way around wanting me to 1 vs 1 him... Hammer warrior vs. Suck Build = F-Tard on his back every 3 seconds.

His team dropped like a rock, he didn't cast one spell that wasn't centered on himself, as if a griefer cared about anyone but himself. I set my warrior to auto attack him and went for coffee, clipped my Fingernails. I must cheer my team for not quitting despite Moronatrons best efforts to want us to quit... how did that go? "I have all night." Well it only took 18 mins so what did you do the rest of the night? Hmmm? LOL. He thought he was so unique. So once his team was dead, he wasn't able to do more than 4 to 10 points of damage to anyone consistantly.... We had 2 monks so our damage output was not good at all, but we succeeded in interrupting his spells using knockdowns and Ranger shots... so dont let him try to make excuses about how his screen minimized... excuses are like "you know whats" he thought he was so speical but really was just like every other PvP Paladin Healing Hands nimrod out there.

We laughed about it for the rest of our winning run.

The people I felt sorry for were his teammates who stuck around thinking he would win.

oh, well... you arent the first or the last person to make this useless build, and you regrettably wont be the last.

Double sigh.

Monica Angelina · Dec 04, 2005, 11:31 PM // 23:31

Or the "Hero" Build.

Red Locust · Dec 05, 2005, 12:23 AM // 00:23

For the sake of keeping things civilized, let's just establish that there is absolutely no point to this build other than pissing people off in arena, and discuss the build itself.

This one isn't particularly good because the only thing keeping it going is a not-so-bright enemy warrior fuelling the bonetti's defense. Take that away, and any team capable of out-damaging 3 pips of health regeneration (and I hope to god that everyone can manage that) will be able to take this down eventually.

unienaule · Dec 05, 2005, 12:31 AM // 00:31

Seriously, does nobody remember the rule about not flaming people? Take his build apart on what's wrong with it, and a few things will happen:
1) Your blood pressure wont spike
2) You will "win" the argument (yay.)
3) He will learn something.

entropy · Dec 05, 2005, 01:48 AM // 01:48

aww but I LOVE flaming

Lambentviper · Dec 05, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13

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Originally Posted by Fenris Wulf

OOOh look, I am famous!!! Thats me with the super sweet hammer!! : ) See, I was in this match, and I still think it was hillarious. His team dropped incredibly quickly and the whole time this guys was like "Who wants to 1vs1 me?" Ahhh the sweet cry of the f-tard. Dont let him try and talk himself out of this by say he didn't wwait till his team was dead, that is exactly what happened, he ran the back way around wanting me to 1 vs 1 him... Hammer warrior vs. Suck Build = F-Tard on his back every 3 seconds.

Well it only took 18 mins so what did you do the rest of the night? Hmmm? LOL. He thought he was so unique. So once his team was dead, he wasn't able to do more than 4 to 10 points of damage to anyone consistantly.... We had 2 monks so our damage output was not good at all, but we succeeded in interrupting his spells using knockdowns and Ranger shots... so dont let him try to make excuses about how his screen minimized

oh, well... you arent the first or the last person to make this useless build, and you regrettably wont be the last.

oh and btw, you succeeded in interupting my spells using knockdowns and ranger shots, correct? then how come it took you 18 mins to kill me? that ranger had kindle arrows, dual shot, power shot, hunters shot, he could have done plenty of damage so dont say your dmg output was bad. and you hardly knocked me down cuz i was in bonettis most of the time. and yes, my screen minimized. obviously if i was fighting for 18 mins still at full health (see pic) then how would i just randomly stop casting and spiral down words in the time of 1-2 minutes?
did you graduate high school?

entropy · Dec 05, 2005, 02:18 AM // 02:18

your avatar is one with a platemail helm. Just don't talk pls and stop posting pics. It only makes you look worse

Lambentviper · Dec 05, 2005, 02:21 AM // 02:21

that isnt even my char. i took a screen shot from some lev 19 PvE guy who made it there from Lions Arch. And i like the pics, if you dont like them, dont look at them and stop veiwing the topic.

I posted those pics so that maybe the flamers ( Neo-LD) will stop and take their time to read my posts before they keep rambling on.