Curse

Waylayer Brixt · Nov 30, 2005, 10:54 PM // 22:54

Send me a PM, my IGN is : Waylayer Brixt
I'd love to help with 1 and 2.

Linkusmax · Dec 01, 2005, 03:13 AM // 03:13

Ok here is an updated Version of the Build, still no monk builds as I have no Ideas, I would appreciate someone Pming me or posting some suitable ones (preferably Mo/R)

Firstly The Damage Ranger/*
(Comfort Animal and Predators pounce aren’t redundancy as comfort sucks for healing)

Full Druids Kit

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Predators Pounce
Feral Lunge
Ferocious Strike
Pindown
Ressurection Sig
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

R/* Conditions dealer

BeastMastery (12+1+3)
Marksmanship (9+1)
Expertise (9+1)

Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Call of Haste
Pindown
Feral Lunge
Scavenger Strike
Ferocious Strike
Distracting shot

Interupter Ranger

11+1+2 beastmastery
10+1 expertise
10+2 marksmanship

distracting shot
savage shot
Disrupting Lunge
call of haste
resurrection signet
ferocious strike
comfort animal
charm animal

Ranger/
For Relic Running

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Feral Lunge
Predators Pounce
Ferocious Strike
Stormchaser
Ressurection Sig
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

Warrior/Ranger
This is the tanker basically but will take advantage of the fact that the Mo/R’s will have weak pets by taking IWAY.

Axe Mastery 12+3+1
Wilderness Survival 9+1
Strength 9+1

Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Cyclone Axe
IWAY
Sprint
Winnowing
Resurrection Signet
Charm Animal

Necromancer/Ranger

Curses 12+1+3
Death Magic 9+1
Soul Reaping 9+1

Charm Animal
Mark of Pain
Barbs
Putrid explosion
Weaken Armour
well of suffering
rend enchantments
Rigor Mortis

Kariston The Swift · Dec 01, 2005, 03:38 AM // 03:38

I'd put Lingering Curse on the necro instead of Rend enchantments.

Kyle · Dec 01, 2005, 04:00 AM // 04:00

I dont have a ranger but im just going to throw this out there. I wouldnt put all BM skills on your skill bar cuz what happens when yout pet dies? plink plink with your bow? that will go well. Thats just my 2 cents on this

Kool Pajamas · Dec 01, 2005, 05:31 AM // 05:31

rez it

Alone) · Dec 01, 2005, 07:07 AM // 07:07

Me and a friend have been working on one for awhile. We love it very much so. And I am willing to help you test it out and give suggestions along the way.

Did anyone ever notice that people rarely target pets? Well, thank you IWAY.

You don't HAVE to have your skill bar maxed out with beast mastery skills. Let your pet do the damage, and have yourself stay alive. You can have your pets do all the fighting while running around. You can set traps. You can put conditions, hexes, and what not. Hell, ideas range from a trap/beast mastery group. It's like having 8 trappers, and 8 furry warriors that... listen! Unless their hungry or you've been neglecting your pet.

Also can have 3-4 people devoted to doing pure damage with their bow, while just having Charm Animal. Or just have everyone be an annoyance with pin shot, apply poison, poison arrow, or barrage, and what not, while having other skills be in beast mastery and having a Resurrection Signet on the side.

jules · Dec 01, 2005, 09:58 AM // 09:58

PM me ingame if you need another ranger. I'm always willing to mess with new builds. Got all skills unlocked apart from the warrior ones. IGN Jules Pvp.

Shen Xi · Dec 01, 2005, 02:56 PM // 14:56

Just a point that pets are basically worthless unless you invest in high beatsmastery and some pet attacks.

Linkusmax · Dec 01, 2005, 03:07 PM // 15:07

Ok here is the build in full, pick it to pieces please I know it still needs quite a bit of work. But I really want to get it off the ground.

Firstly The Damage Ranger/*

Full Druids Kit

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Predators Pounce
Feral Lunge
Ferocious Strike
Pindown
Resurrection Signet
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

R/* Conditions dealer

BeastMastery (12+1+3)
Marksmanship (9+1)
Expertise (9+1)

Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Call of Haste
Pindown
Feral Lunge
Scavenger Strike
Ferocious Strike
Distracting shot

Interupter Ranger

11+1+2 beastmastery
10+1 expertise
10+2 marksmanship

Distracting shot
Savage shot
Disrupting Lunge
Call of haste
Resurrection signet
Ferocious strike
Comfort animal
Charm animal

Ranger/
For Relic Running

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Feral Lunge
Predators Pounce
Ferocious Strike
Stormchaser
Resurrection Signet
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

Warrior/Ranger
Axe Mastery 12+3+1
Wilderness Survival 9+1
Strength 9+1

Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Cyclone Axe
IWAY
Sprint
Winnowing
Resurrection Signet
Charm Animal

Necromancer/Ranger

Curses 9+1+3
Death Magic 9+1
Soul Reaping 9+1

Charm Animal
Mark of Pain
Barbs
Putrid explosion
Weaken Armour
Well of suffering
Rend enchantments
Rigor Mortis

Mo/R Healer type

Healing 12+1+3
Divine Favor 12+1

Word of Healing
Orison of Healing
Signet of Devotion
Healing Touch
Healing Breeze
Blessed Signet
Restore Life
Charm Animal

Mo/R Protection

Protection Prayers 12+1+3
Divine Favor 9+1
Wilderness Survival 9+1

Resurrection Signet
Aegis
Guardian
Shielding Hands
Reversal of Fortune
Draw Conditions
Purge Conditions
Charm Animal

qwe4rty · Dec 01, 2005, 05:03 PM // 17:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Linkusmax

Ok here is an updated Version of the Build, still no monk builds as I have no Ideas, I would appreciate someone Pming me or posting some suitable ones (preferably Mo/R)

Firstly The Damage Ranger/*
(Comfort Animal and Predators pounce aren’t redundancy as comfort sucks for healing)

Full Druids Kit

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Predators Pounce
Feral Lunge
Ferocious Strike
Pindown
Ressurection Sig
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

R/* Conditions dealer

BeastMastery (12+1+3)
Marksmanship (9+1)
Expertise (9+1)

Charm Animal
Comfort Animal
Call of Haste
Pindown
Feral Lunge
Scavenger Strike
Ferocious Strike
Distracting shot

Interupter Ranger

11+1+2 beastmastery
10+1 expertise
10+2 marksmanship

distracting shot
savage shot
Disrupting Lunge
call of haste
resurrection signet
ferocious strike
comfort animal
charm animal

Ranger/
For Relic Running

Marksmanship 9+1
Beastmastery 12+3+1
Expertise 9+1

Call of Haste
Feral Lunge
Predators Pounce
Ferocious Strike
Stormchaser
Ressurection Sig
Comfort Animal
Charm Animal

Warrior/Ranger
This is the tanker basically but will take advantage of the fact that the Mo/R’s will have weak pets by taking IWAY.

Axe Mastery 12+3+1
Wilderness Survival 9+1
Strength 9+1

Eviscerate
Axe Rake
Cyclone Axe
IWAY
Sprint
Winnowing
Resurrection Signet
Charm Animal

Necromancer/Ranger

Curses 12+1+3
Death Magic 9+1
Soul Reaping 9+1

Charm Animal
Mark of Pain
Barbs
Putrid explosion
Weaken Armour
well of suffering
rend enchantments
Rigor Mortis

2 things,

take the pet off the necro. as things stand now, you have to attack for the pet to attack, and if the pet dies, all your skills are shut down. Its not going to be worthwile on the nec

second, u dont need every ranger to have comfort. Just have 1 person bring revive

jibikao · Dec 01, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Pets are just like warriors. They suffer from wards, protection, condition and everything warrior suffers.

Beast Masters lack skill slots to cure the pets so technically we need at least one monk to get rid of the condition/hex.

Last night I changed my usual pet build a bit and add Debilitating shot. Man, this skill really helps the team kill monks. -10Energy is a huge thing for Monk. All those protection/healing monk would run and heal, run and heal. They won't die 'cause they are waiting for that 5 energy to re-cast Healing Touch or Word of Healing to get back in action. One Debilitating shot can avoid the monk from healing TWICE which gives the team a lot of chances to kill the monk.

jibikao · Dec 01, 2005, 11:34 PM // 23:34

Pets are just like warriors. They suffer from wards, protection, condition and everything warrior suffers.

Beast Masters lack skill slots to cure the pets so technically we need at least one monk to get rid of the condition/hex.

Last night I changed my usual pet build a bit and add Debilitating shot. Man, this skill really helps the team kill monks. -10Energy is a huge thing for Monk. All those protection/healing monk would run and heal, run and heal. They won't die 'cause they are waiting for that 5 energy to re-cast Healing Touch or Word of Healing to get back in action. One Debilitating shot can avoid the monk from healing TWICE which gives the team a lot of chances to kill the monk.

Sereng Amaranth · Dec 02, 2005, 12:14 AM // 00:14

I'm up for it. Got a spider and I mainly farm SF with a full BM setup.

<--- IGN

And you only need 9 in Expertise if you only have 5 and 10 energy skills. The next breakpoint is at 13 Expertise.

geminisaga · Dec 02, 2005, 05:18 AM // 05:18

i have all bm skill pm me
ign: Aphrodite De Pisces

judge1121 · Dec 02, 2005, 04:58 PM // 16:58

well i currently run a BM build but im not gonna make it public till i perfect it. or maybe some of u may have seen it in TA or CA. This is wat i got now:
16 beast
13 exp
and 8 in somethign else i dk where
the question i see is y do u need to do dmg with ur bow. i see my pet spamming 70 and 90 dmg alone. and with my friends on their pets is a spam of 360 dmg.

Glasswalker · Dec 02, 2005, 10:36 PM // 22:36

Quote:

Originally Posted by Judge1121

the question i see is y do u need to do dmg with ur bow. i see my pet spamming 70 and 90 dmg alone. and with my friends on their pets is a spam of 360 dmg

The main reason is that it feels pretty useless running the /dance emote while your pet does all the work. Alternatively it's because sometimes you need to switch targets, and there is so far no good way to tell your pet to do that. Tertiarily, I would say it's because your pet dies occasionally. Some builds don't have room for Comfort Animal, such as the necro or warrior build above. Once the pet dies, you can be fairly useless.

Revive Animal is cool because you can res teammates animals, so they don't need comfort, but in my experience, the word "nearby" means "directly under your avatar". My own pet has failed to res from an arms length away. Better than nothing, I guess.

To Linkusmax: I run an Orders Necro (occasionally*) Beastmaster, and if the group is very physical damage intensive, this adds greatly to the dps. It goes:

Barbs
Order of Pain
Mark of Pain/Desecrate Enchantments
Order of the Vampire
Brutal Strike
Call of Haste
Call of Protection
Charm Animal

I call CoH and CoP "Set and Forget Skills(tm)" because you hit them just before the match starts, and >50% of the time you never use them again. Brutal Strike and the Orders are enough to seriously hurt anyone. Someone else is interupting the self heals, and of course your team is focus firing right? Barbs on that guy. +22 damage per attack for Barbs and (OoP/OotV), +34 for BS. On an average attack thats ~36-48, and every 5 seconds you BS for an extra 56 (92-104!). With a regular attack ~1/second with CoH that is 236 - 296 every 5 seconds. I'll let you guys multiply that by the amount of pets on your team and add in the damage from the Rangers themselves (oh yeah, them).

Mark of Pain is iffy. You just don't get people balling up on a good team, unless someone pulls out the healing ball, or we are talking HoH. So I go Desecrate normally, but substitute MoP for HoH. By the way, PvE monsters have gotten smarter about MoP, and start to run away when they are dying due to someone elses hex. And I like Desecrate better than Rend because I figure doing the damage to the enemy instead of yourself is always a good thing. (At 12 curses that's up to 185 damage to each enemy in the ball every 15 seconds instead of the 248 damage that Rend does to you every 30.)

The downside to this build is that you need a fair deal of healer attention with the 2 sacrifice skills. I'd be happy to help out in strategizing, or in practicing. (In game name: Gore Trader (dune lizard: Fianna))

(*Occasionally meaning that I often get sick of my Pet doing the work, and I swap out these four skills for 3 Marksmanship skills -- RtW/PowShot/PenAttack plus Weaken Armor.)

SaintGreg · Dec 03, 2005, 07:40 PM // 19:40

If you are going to run a protection Mo/R with condition removal, you should try:

Draw Conditions
Melandru's Resilience {E}

Put wilderness at about 8-9 and it lasts a decent amount of the time, so you can spam draw, and maintain a decent high health and energy regen agaisnt condition heavy teams (plus hexes on you).

Another build I've wanted to try is to have smiting beastmasters and smiting monks, rotating balthazar's aura on the pets.

rii · Dec 03, 2005, 08:22 PM // 20:22

Perhaps mixing the main damage source as bow rangers w/beast support. I tried a basic quick shot build in a while back but just added a pet and distracting lunge. The result was mixed, but if i say had three of said distract/qs builds, you could be massing interrupt actions on the target while dealing big dps. Add duel shot and savage shot then you can spike on top of that. As for the rest of the team, i think trappers/beastmasters works well. Either go 2qs/3trap or 3qs/2trap... and then perhaps two monks and a necro with blood ritual...otherwise your monks arent going to last long with no energy management. Or, give them meladrus like ^^. On top of blood ritual you should be pumping out heals. Make the necro a /monk and give some basic prot skills as well..... as ^^ pets on casters =

-Loki- · Dec 06, 2005, 10:54 AM // 10:54

May I offer a suggestion? Don't take more than 3 pet 'skills' outside of comfort and charm animal. They recharge fast enough so that even with only 2 pet attacks, you'll be spamming them constantly anyway. This leaves you room for a tigers fury and/or distracting shot. Generally, you should have at least 2 skills for your ranger, plus the res sig, then the 5 pet skills (comfort, charm, other 3 skills).

Manfred · Dec 06, 2005, 01:04 PM // 13:04

oh em gee. Barbs and mark of pain from a curse r/n with high curses + 16 attackers = ownage!