Curse

audioaxes · Dec 06, 2005, 08:50 AM // 08:50

I swear every time I run into a korean team in random arenas, 9 times out of 10 they have a perfectly balanced group along the lines of a monk/anti caster/anti melee/warrior. Talked to some friendss and they noticed this also. By any chance does anyone know for sure how Anet selects the Int'l battles in CA because it seems way too coincidental for it to be completely random.

Elrodien · Dec 06, 2005, 09:23 AM // 09:23

oh? Never tried the international CA before! Must give it a blast sometime. I usually play in the Euro districts and I always end up in a 3 warrior 1 ranger group in which someone leaves before the game starts. Another typical one is when you end up in what you think is a balanced group until you realise your monk is a smiter walking around with a hammer and the warrior starts casting fire storms...

But when you get into a good team that gets to the TA and even wins a few rounds there, it makes it all worth while

As for the Koreans using hacks? Unlikely. They probably have a highly disciplined system where only 4 players click enter mission at any one time, therefore doing away with the randomness of the teams. Once again, highly unlikely but I wouldn't be suprised if it were true.

Warskull · Dec 06, 2005, 09:55 AM // 09:55

That's because the teams are organized in advance. Guild War isn't holding its korean players so well. Additionally RA is not exactly popular. Thus in korea four players can go to RA and be grouped together because they are most likely the only four players entering RA at that moment. The amount of korean PvP players GW has retained is very low.

audioaxes · Dec 06, 2005, 03:04 PM // 15:04

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Originally Posted by Elrodien

oh? Never tried the international CA before! Must give it a blast sometime. I usually play in the Euro districts and I always end up in a 3 warrior 1 ranger group in which someone leaves before the game starts. Another typical one is when you end up in what you think is a balanced group until you realise your monk is a smiter walking around with a hammer and the warrior starts casting fire storms...

But when you get into a good team that gets to the TA and even wins a few rounds there, it makes it all worth while

ya well that sounds like the american districts also but what i like to know is how it seems the "good" teams are always the ones that are "randomly" selected in a Int'l battle

Loviatar · Dec 06, 2005, 03:42 PM // 15:42

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

ya well that sounds like the american districts also but what i like to know is how it seems the "good" times are always the ones that are "randomly" selected in a Int'l battle

the ones that are playing work together much better (even random) than US TEAMS (for the most part) will do.

they are simply more used to coopperating than we are.

SHORT ANSWER IS NO

that would be the fastest way to kill the game (by fixing the results)

sun is in us · Dec 06, 2005, 04:10 PM // 16:10

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Originally Posted by Warskull

That's because the teams are organized in advance. Guild War isn't holding its korean players so well. Additionally RA is not exactly popular. Thus in korea four players can go to RA and be grouped together because they are most likely the only four players entering RA at that moment. The amount of korean PvP players GW has retained is very low.

Could I please see your sources and your statistics for this? Would like to know where you got these "facts".

Back to the OP. Yes, many times playing the Koreans in RA it does seem like I have never seen a team yet without both a monk and a ranger. The ranger is 95% of the time a Ranger/Mes Interupter. This is all a generalization though....

They also tend to move around incessently (like they are dodging arrows even though they are far out of range), and then rush very aggressively. Beat a group last night on the Ember Map though in 30 seconds (after 3 minutes of waiting for them to approach).

Good times.

judge1121 · Dec 06, 2005, 04:31 PM // 16:31

no they are not rigged.
i beat a korean group with a monk while experimenting a hammer build so no it aint rigged. Is CA there are a lot of "inexperienced" ppl there so ur team may not know wat res sig is, others might.

Yamat · Dec 06, 2005, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

I swear every time I run into a korean team in random arenas, 9 times out of 10 they have a perfectly balanced group along the lines of a monk/anti caster/anti melee/warrior. Talked to some friendss and they noticed this also. By any chance does anyone know for sure how Anet selects the Int'l battles in CA because it seems way too coincidental for it to be completely random.

I too see this A LOT!

imaginary friend · Dec 06, 2005, 08:13 PM // 20:13

i have been beaten by a korean team once.... but i have played korean teams 20+ times

Warskull · Dec 06, 2005, 08:20 PM // 20:20

There are people with accounts on the korean servers. Another great example of this is iQ's ladder statistics.

http://www.team-iq.net/forums/ladder.php

Top 1000 Guilds:
American-408, 40.8%
Euro-530, 53%
Korea-62, 6.2%

Only 62 guilds in the top 1000 exist.

unienaule · Dec 06, 2005, 08:28 PM // 20:28

Yes, the koreans are hacking. Everyone already knows this. They use this one hack, it's called "Team Planning.exe," along with "Strategy.dll," and "Communication.com."

Dogman · Dec 06, 2005, 08:35 PM // 20:35

They could be organized from the Team Arena's. Both the CA and TA teams fight against eachother. If you enter Team Arenas with 3 people some one will be picked up from the compitition arenas. it's purely coincidence that you always come across organized players from the Team Arena.

Yamat · Dec 06, 2005, 08:40 PM // 20:40

^^ Dogman, is this so? Can you enlighten us on how you found this out?

Red Locust · Dec 06, 2005, 08:43 PM // 20:43

Actually that's been my experience as well. The few times I've met a korean team in random arena, their coordination was impeccable.

Pre-kiting, terrain usage, shutdown, positioning, it's all like clockwork when I see them playing. Granted I'm mostly screwing around in RA when I am there, but the way some of them play leads me to believe they're using voice comm or are in the same room together.

I think Warskull might be on to something; 4 koreans go in a gameroom, enter RA at the same time, and odds are they'll end up on the same team. Still, their knowledge of the game is very impressive when compared to the average american player.

coldslammer · Dec 06, 2005, 09:03 PM // 21:03

i concur with with OP
i also believe sometimes we even challenge people from TA, i've already made a post about it, but i couldn't back up my facts.

anyway about a 3 weeks ago i was in TA with some buddies, we were challenging some useless group, then one of our members internet cut(our monk) ;(, and we died, guess where we got transported???, RA...., typed /bug report but i feel ANet don't listen to anyone who writes those bug reports, big waste of time implimenting that in the game, as i almost write a bug report almost every week regarding something wrong.

xcutioner · Dec 06, 2005, 09:21 PM // 21:21

Is it possible that the Korean teams meet an american team because they are winning alot? Good teams have faster rounds since they kill off the other team in less than 2 mins, which cause them to be in the queue for matchups more often, thus increasing the chances of actually being paired to an international match. Bad teams are hacking at each other for 15 minutes, before the last ranger left starts running circles around the map for another 45 minutes(hehe i exaggerate), before being err=7'd.

It's certainly possible that a newly joined team could get paired to an international team right off the bat, but statistically, you are more inclined to run into the winning teams than a losing team.

No way to know for sure unless a developer comes in here and tells us like it is.

funkho · Dec 06, 2005, 09:31 PM // 21:31

I don't know the answer. But something out of my butt that sounds convincing is...

Koreans are probably more likely to play support classes since they're culture is less "cowboy" W/Mo no guts no glory blah blah blah... You probably get more balanced teams since more people play monks and mesmers and 'support' classes... Whereas, in western districts, you end up with 3 warriors and a ranger...

Yeah, I don't know. It's funny to see some topics like this one closed as 'pointless'. I don't think there is an answer here.

OH, and also, we must distribute some "DID YOU TAKE A SCREENSHOT?" I don't believe you unless you have a screenshot...

Heh...

-Funk

Loviatar · Dec 06, 2005, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by coldslammer

i typed /bug report but i feel ANet don't listen to anyone who writes those bug reports, big waste of time implimenting that in the game, as i almost write a bug report almost every week regarding something wrong.

HI SHERLOCK

in case you missed all the announcements when it happened /bug was discontinued months ago

contact support to report a bug

http://support.guildwars.com/cgi-bin...p_sid=G8ZBcpWh

EDIT

http://www.guildwarsguru.com/forum/s...ead.php?t=4710

Ellix Cantero · Dec 06, 2005, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

Actually that's been my experience as well. The few times I've met a korean team in random arena, their coordination was impeccable.

Pre-kiting, terrain usage, shutdown, positioning, it's all like clockwork when I see them playing. Granted I'm mostly screwing around in RA when I am there, but the way some of them play leads me to believe they're using voice comm or are in the same room together.

I think Warskull might be on to something; 4 koreans go in a gameroom, enter RA at the same time, and odds are they'll end up on the same team. Still, their knowledge of the game is very impressive when compared to the average american player.

Well, as has been pointed out already, it seems that the Korean player base has shrunk considerably (of course, the American player base has as well, compared to the first couple of months of release). It's more likely that the Koreans you're running into in RA are just really good players and are still playing GWs because they're in one of the good Korean guilds.

BBoy_Manchild · Dec 06, 2005, 11:14 PM // 23:14

i never have problems with korean teams in CA, they seem to like mending more then we do, maybe they know a secret they we dont and me bring enchant removers just ends up screwing them up, i dunno