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Alone) · Sep 30, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

All depends on what you want to do. You want to move from enemy putting bleed? Do fast amounts of damage? Want to distract and counter? Or do you just want to keep whacking away? There is no "better" side to it, just on how you work it.

twicky_kid · Sep 30, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by Zeru

If you have two axes running one cleave and one evisc might be better. Evisc is better for the primary axe user because deep wound is so unbelievably good.

you can get deep wound from dismember. it has the same adrinaline cost as eviscerate. after you inflict the deep wound eviscerate just becomes a high adrinaline attack skill.

for dps cleave out performs eviscerate.

i think the thing that limits swords so much is that fact there is only 1 sword elite, it req energy, 8 sec recharge. i can recharge cleave way before 8 seconds and will cost me no energy.

stefan16 · Sep 30, 2005, 10:31 PM // 22:31

u could use for example :
Warriors endurance,
it has been upgraded, and works very well it can last up to about 26seconds and it has a recharge of 30sec abd gives 3 energie per hit, wich u coul use for energie of infinite heal breeze (works 2 well for me!)

twicky_kid · Sep 30, 2005, 10:46 PM // 22:46

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Originally Posted by stefan16

u could use for example :
Warriors endurance,
it has been upgraded, and works very well it can last up to about 26seconds and it has a recharge of 30sec abd gives 3 energie per hit, wich u coul use for energie of infinite heal breeze (works 2 well for me!)

that doesn't solve the problem of energy cost for sword elite. WE is an elite itself so they cannot be used together.

its all about your job really. dps go with axe. support go with sword interrupts and WE. can't think of any other ways to really use a warrior. not too much you can do with them. just smash stuff. personally think hammers are better than both but that's another arguement.

Raura · Oct 01, 2005, 10:47 PM // 22:47

Personally, I find axes and swords to be just as good in PvE as one another - depending on the situation. PvP I wouldn't know about, since I'm not very into it (Where's the appeal in having someone scream noob and hax at you when ya win, or scream various other things when they win?). Anyway, for the purposes of PvE, I like to go with an axe on missions where there's a lot of mobs - with a monk secondary based in smiting prayers. Cyclone axe + Symbol of Wrath + Balthazar's Spirit has worked very well for me in downing big groups quickly.. provided there's a good monk back there keeping me alive.

For big, single targets, I like to take a sword instead and go with either the healing line or protection line, since most sword skills use only adrenaline, that leaves me with plenty of energy to keep myself alive and let the healer - on the rare occasions we find one - concentrate on other party members.

Like I said, I don't know how all this applies to PvP, but given my experience with PvE, I'd still say it's situational.

Third Quarter · Oct 01, 2005, 11:06 PM // 23:06

I don't really get why Hundred Blades still has such a bad rap.

The damage isn't all that bad (I've been hit for like 100 damage with it) and you can use it to gain a lot of adrenaline quickly. You can use the Galrath/Final chain pretty frequently when you stack FGJ, Dark Fury, and Hundred Blades.

stefan16 · Oct 02, 2005, 12:37 AM // 00:37

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Originally Posted by Third Quarter

You can use the Galrath/Final chain pretty frequently when you stack FGJ, Dark Fury, and Hundred Blades.

Uhmmm energy issues??

Botox Bandit · Oct 02, 2005, 01:52 AM // 01:52

I'm not tooting my own horn here, but I taught Embryo that build. I was interested in joining his guild and he said he would have a look at me in the Team Arenas to assess my skill level. I brought the Battle Rage/Purge Sig/Succor W/Mo sword build. He asked me why I didn't bring an axe. I tried to explain, but ultimately he basically called me a noob and wouldn't let me join. LOL.

Orochim4ru · Oct 02, 2005, 06:48 AM // 06:48

Disrupting chop and penetrating blow make axe FAR superior in terms of utility and damage without forcing a character to play with their attributes. A simple shock axe warrior running

16 axe
15 str

vamp axe primary
zealous axe secondary

shock
evis
executioner's
penetrating
disrupting
frenzy
sprint
sig

is blantantly simple to run, and incredibly efficient in terms of dps. if your team lacks rigor or stripping, you can take out penetrating for warriors cunning.

The build runs the single most powerful skill in halls, can outrun kiters, can inflict over 200 effective damage with one attack, can deal with evasion.

Galrath/final simply cannot match up to the power that deep wound and interupts afford. use sword/tactics for hundred blades in an order build... but nothing else outside of that.

rii · Oct 02, 2005, 09:08 AM // 09:08

No, which is why, for about the fourth time, i reiterate:

If you use more than one warrior, I find this often happens:

Primary warrior: Axe - evis executioners... thats about it

Now if you dont use any more warriors, then thats all. However, if you use more than one warrior (most do) axe suddenly becomes sub-par.... why? Because without the deep wound galrath final IS better than evis exec. So as your secondary warrior, your looking at either
Hammer - kd(as?)
or
Sword - Galrath Final Savage

But you would not use axe as a second warrior, because it dont do as much damage.
So i suppose, if a 1v1 arena was introduced, axe is the best. However, in a team, past the first axe and its just not as good. Sword is a better option for secondary. Or hammer.

enryb · Oct 02, 2005, 02:03 PM // 14:03

I think both are good. I especially like using battle rage with a sword because you can get your adrenal skills up quickly, without having to sacrafice a good attack for the elite slot.

UberRusty · Oct 02, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

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Battle Rage can't be a replacement for an IAS stance. It doesn't increase your attack speed.
So when a poster asks about the lack of IAS in the build, something along the lines of "he doesn't have any IAS skills, and uses Battle Rage as replacement for Sprint", would've been clearer than a post consisting of "Battle Rage" with no explanation. In such a case, one can't help but assume that you're pointing out Battle Rage as the answer to the lack of IAS.

You must've missed this part of this post, or you like repeating things:

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I will make my posts more specific from now on, just for people like you, honey bunny.

Quote:

I'm not tooting my own horn here, but I taught Embryo that build. I was interested in joining his guild and he said he would have a look at me in the Team Arenas to assess my skill level. I brought the Battle Rage/Purge Sig/Succor W/Mo sword build. He asked me why I didn't bring an axe. I tried to explain, but ultimately he basically called me a noob and wouldn't let me join. LOL.

Embryo is quite the temperative, but an excellent player. He can go from jokey jokey one moment to screaming at the mic, exploding, rage quit the next.

Nexx · Oct 02, 2005, 07:50 PM // 19:50

I run a SOH sword build... very aggressive and deals decent damage. Took a team with 2 monks, a r/m and my warrior to 19 cons wins (10~9 flawless CA, 9~4 flawless TA). I know, doesn't really mean anything since I had two really good monks.

100Blades.
Rush.
Sever Artery.
Gash.
Galrath.
Mend Ailment.
Rez sig.
Strength of Honor. (+8 damage)

9 strength.
16 sword.
11 smite.

Sword1: +15% enchanted. Double Andrenaline. +1 swordmanship (20%)
Sword2: +15% enchanted. Vampiric. +30 Health.
Shield: +45 enchanted. -2 damage enchanted.

stefan16 · Oct 02, 2005, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Conjure is better for damage

would do like +15

twicky_kid · Oct 02, 2005, 09:08 PM // 21:08

before armor it would. after it would do about 10-12

F4_Phantom · Oct 02, 2005, 09:52 PM // 21:52

hammers own all

stefan16 · Oct 06, 2005, 11:50 AM // 11:50

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Originally Posted by twicky_kid

before armor it would. after it would do about 10-12

still better then strenght of honor for damage, doesnt soct much upkeep

BUT: If conjure is stripped, takes long to recast str of honor doesnt

even better is, have monk cast it on you

and you self use conjure

Entropius · Oct 06, 2005, 10:28 PM // 22:28

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Originally Posted by stefan16

still better then strenght of honor for damage, doesnt soct much upkeep

BUT: If conjure is stripped, takes long to recast str of honor doesnt

even better is, have monk cast it on you

and you self use conjure

Unfortunately casting a Conjure clears enchantments on yourself.

The Red Knight · Oct 07, 2005, 01:32 AM // 01:32

Axe has good damage but sword and axe together are really damn good evis exec penetrating and hundred galrath final thrust just own so damn hard.

Deathlord · Oct 07, 2005, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I still prefer axe over many but I've found sword to fit in with a few specific builds my guild has ran. Overall, I definetly see WAY more axe players in PvP now than I did 2 months ago, and I must admit, it does make me smile. Some important fact that have been mentioned now such as the usefulness of Evis as a spammable skill. It obviously isn't since past the first usage it is just another exectuioner (Cleave + Pen FTW for me). Both have there flaws, but I've found that Sword Cripple + Warriors Endurance does some decent DP's.