Curse

Ishamael Sedai · Sep 26, 2005, 01:01 PM // 13:01

It seems as if the overwhelming majority of good players go with either an axe or hammer and leave sword out. I perhaps am still mostly inclined with playing an axe, but I am drifting to sword. The last couple of nights I have played with the sword and it has worked very well. What I like about it is that I can hit 100 or more with 3 attacks without using an elite. Savage --> Galrath ----> Final. I've found that savage & galrath can get someone to that 50% below on health easier than expected to set up final. Also this allows me to bring bull's charge for my elite. Perhaps axe is still better, but sword isn't as bad as people make it out to be.

Ollj · Sep 26, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

i still wonder how long it will take all theese palanoobs NOT to use gash and sever artery and use TACTICS with riposte instead.

boxterduke · Sep 26, 2005, 01:05 PM // 13:05

I use the 3 weapons depending on the mood, but mostly use sword.
Most of the warriros I've been with use sword, followed by axe then hammer.

I just prefer sword over axe and hammer since I have a better sword and that fellbalde looks very good and I also have 100 blades.

9th Requiem · Sep 26, 2005, 01:53 PM // 13:53

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Originally Posted by Ollj

i still wonder how long it will take all theese palanoobs NOT to use gash and sever artery and use TACTICS with riposte instead.

Seconded. With a tactics + sword combo, you can make a perfect anti-warrior - (deadly) riposte, stance, sever artery, hamstring puts your opponent in a bad position indeed.

Sword also seems to fit better with a well-chosen secondary than axe.

FrogDevourer · Sep 26, 2005, 01:56 PM // 13:56

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Sword vs Axe...is the debate settled?

Yes it is. The base damage is roughly equivalent. Axes are slightly better due to higher criticals on running targets, more adrenaline skills that give you spare energy for something else, and the Eviscerate/Executioner spike. Swords are very close behind with good damage/utility skills to begin with Hamstring. They just lack a couple of decent elite skills.

Entropius · Sep 26, 2005, 04:24 PM // 16:24

Embryo (frequently holds halls, excellent PUG leader) runs a sword W/Mo.

The argument goes: Sword's attack line involves no energy skills, and no elites. This means you've got your energy and elite free for whatever else you might want to use them for. Sword warriors may do less pure damage than axe warriors, but they're capable of doing other things as well.

The creators of the paladin template, unfortuately, chose "healing" as The Other Thing They Do -- which is a bad idea, since they're bad at it.

Embryo's warrior picked something Else To Do out of the monk line (it's not what you think), but there are other choices too.

Sword warriors aren't as scary as the axers, but they're not as singleminded: your average axe warrior can't do anything other than hit you (although, recently, his pet can hit you too. woo.)

Hanuman li Tosh · Sep 26, 2005, 04:29 PM // 16:29

its all a matter of personal preference, skill, and teamwork.

Lexar · Sep 26, 2005, 04:37 PM // 16:37

If you're lucky enough to still have one (like me) you can use a plus 5 energy sword. That pretty much gives it the edge over axes for me. That sword, plus a plus 12 artifact gives you 37 energy without gladiators armor. Perfect for conjure, or using wards and tactics (watch yourself, charge!, both underestimated in my opinion) to help your casters. Or even better with flourish, 20 energy is just slightly too little to use flourish comfortably, and 5 energy makes a world of difference.

Riposte in pvp seems a little wierd though, if you're a warrior fighting another warrior, you wouldn't be helping the team as much as you would if you were to interrupt the monks or something. But in random arenas, riposte is great indeed.

Racthoh · Sep 26, 2005, 04:47 PM // 16:47

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Originally Posted by Ollj

i still wonder how long it will take all theese palanoobs NOT to use gash and sever artery and use TACTICS with riposte instead.

Are you joking? The only thing that is going to trigger Riposte is a melee attack, and the only ones with a melee attack are warriors (naturally there are very few exceptions). If a warrior is attacking you, a warrior, first, then the team deserves to lose.

Prehaps a mo/w that recognizes the animation for say Eviscerate and hits Deadly Riposte to avoid that nasty deep wound. No w/x should be bringing in Riposte and Deadly Riposte, that is just a waste of space.

Silmor · Sep 26, 2005, 05:16 PM // 17:16

Duelling warriors are the very core of 'palanoobs', Ollj. Suggesting Riposte shows you're just a 'palanoob' yourself. Go forth and slay those Random Arena warriors, brave lad! Tank 'em like a champ.

White Designs · Sep 26, 2005, 05:32 PM // 17:32

Sword W/Mo with Life Barrier is a decent build, which is what I would guess Entropius is alluding to.

Another nice use is a Sword Warrior with "Charge!" in GvG.

Ender Ward · Sep 26, 2005, 05:34 PM // 17:34

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Originally Posted by Entropius

Embryo's warrior picked something Else To Do out of the monk line (it's not what you think)

Which I greatly appreciated when playing a Healing Monk in one of his PuGs

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Originally Posted by White Designs

Sword W/Mo with Life Barrier is a decent build, which is what I would guess Entropius is alluding to.

There are several choices (all good).

Succor on two Monks + Purge Signet.
Life Barrier on two Monks + Purge Signet.
Life Barrier + Life Bond on one Monk + Purge Signet.

Rey Lentless · Sep 26, 2005, 05:47 PM // 17:47

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Duelling warriors are the very core of 'palanoobs', Ollj. Suggesting Riposte shows you're just a 'palanoob' yourself. Go forth and slay those Random Arena warriors, brave lad! Tank 'em like a champ.

lol

I like the utility of sword if you're using a second warrior on the same target. I'd rather have a final thrust and eviscerate, than two eviscerates. Having a lead in cripple is nice, and I like savage slash as well. Hundred blades is nice with damage buffs or adrenal buffs as well.. so I don't think it's a horrible skill, but it's not good in most builds.

It's a shame flourish isn't a shout.

rii · Sep 26, 2005, 05:51 PM // 17:51

Anyone evered tried runing someone to hell them going evis-executioners*switch weapon*-galrath-final?
Just be interesting to see what happens when you mix it up.

Mandy Memory · Sep 26, 2005, 06:07 PM // 18:07

...no...no...that would take 16 axe and 15 sword (which is -150 health)
and no other attribute

Savio · Sep 26, 2005, 06:41 PM // 18:41

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Originally Posted by Silmor

Duelling warriors are the very core of 'palanoobs', Ollj. Suggesting Riposte shows you're just a 'palanoob' yourself. Go forth and slay those Random Arena warriors, brave lad! Tank 'em like a champ.

Quote of the day

Oh, I slay Random Arena warriors. After the monks, after the casters, and after I laugh at them for not bothering with a Res Sig. And for trying to take me down first.

I currently use Axe for the damage dealing capabilities, though I might switch to Sword sometime if I ever find a need for an Elite other than Eviscerate.

Phades · Sep 26, 2005, 06:45 PM // 18:45

Best you could hope for with a dual weapon combination is to have a damaging weapon attributes, while also having hammer knockdowns as they are not dependant on skill. But the downtime in weapon switching plus the all too common uses all arenaline clause makes it more than impractical.

cookiehoarder · Sep 26, 2005, 08:59 PM // 20:59

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Originally Posted by Entropius

Embryo (frequently holds halls, excellent PUG leader) runs a sword W/Mo.

The argument goes: Sword's attack line involves no energy skills, and no elites. This means you've got your energy and elite free for whatever else you might want to use them for. Sword warriors may do less pure damage than axe warriors, but they're capable of doing other things as well.

The creators of the paladin template, unfortuately, chose "healing" as The Other Thing They Do -- which is a bad idea, since they're bad at it.

Embryo's warrior picked something Else To Do out of the monk line (it's not what you think), but there are other choices too.

Sword warriors aren't as scary as the axers, but they're not as singleminded: your average axe warrior can't do anything other than hit you (although, recently, his pet can hit you too. woo.)

I assumed since you guys had mass-degen/hexes on us you were using the sword warrior for conditions or the final thrust spike? (^Ran out of ideas as to why he did so)

Embryo also has too many builds x_X

derrtyboy69 · Sep 26, 2005, 09:37 PM // 21:37

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Originally Posted by Ollj

i still wonder how long it will take all theese palanoobs NOT to use gash and sever artery and use TACTICS with riposte instead.

dude dont embaress yourself. tactics what a joke no one attacks warriors

Six String Samurai · Sep 26, 2005, 11:05 PM // 23:05

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Originally Posted by rii

Anyone evered tried runing someone to hell them going evis-executioners*switch weapon*-galrath-final?
Just be interesting to see what happens when you mix it up.

sadly without the strength bonus adding in on these skills they lose a decent amount of punch and their spike ability goes down.

Personnaly I love sword as a warrior, because of the 2 skills it has that cannot be blocked or evaded. Pure Strike and seeking blade both cannot be block, and pure strike cannot be evaded while seeking blade cause bleeding when it is evaded. While warrior's cunning is still a great combo, these two skills really help finish a sword warriors target off. Start off with sever, gash, galrath, and then these two unblockable skills, while it wont kill them all the time it will definately help get through any block spells or stances they put upon your target, dont even bring final thrust...most of the time you don't need it to kill the target, you would of killed it anyway.