Curse

Rafe · Jan 05, 2006, 02:17 AM // 02:17

This is more of a rant then a build, but it includes the build.

Actually I will put the build first.
10 Healing Prayers
11 Strength
10 Axe Mastery
...Add Runes!
Battle Rage
Dismember
Axe Rake
Penetrating Blow
Executioners Strike
Mending
Live Vicariously
Res Sig
Build Strat is easy, put up enchants beforehand, then get 4 hits of adrenaline and spam the other attack skills and battle rage.
I wore full dragons armor cuz this build doesn't use energy.
Anyways first thing this necro on my team says when I get on is, "Oh great, another bloody dumb Wammo! Everyone knows in PVP you always have to use a different second proffession!!"
I'm like wtf?
Then he complains that I'm using Mending and Live Vicariously, "two of the most pointless skills in PVP"
...Even though when I was last in party I lasted a min and thirty seconds without dying just from those...
Then he complains that dragons armor sucks and I should always use glads.
...Even though I don't use energy in this build, an andrenaline tank build...
Then he complains that my dragon helm sucks and that I should always use a glads helm or a weapon helm such as sword or axe.
...Even though I get an armor boost and a longer time on Battle Rage...
Then he complains that I must use a sword because "everyone knows swords + hammers are best for pvp"
Then I am the last one standing, and I saved res to start a res chain at end.
"OMFG you noob i knew it ur a dumb wammo with no res!!!"
In response I res him

But seriously, why cant jerks like this 1. See that they are wrong, and some of this stuff works, 2. Realize I am doing MY OWN BUILD, NOT YOUR BUILD, 3. Realize that not all warriors are dumb, and 4. Not try to tell people what to improve on their build. The way I see it, the build is fine as long as we win.

Siliconwafer · Jan 05, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

Just to remind you, axe benefits the most from a high attribute level. There's a reason why more people use the weapon helm over the dragon helm. Not to mention you don't get hit in the head too often.

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But seriously, why cant jerks like this 1. See that they are wrong, and some of this stuff works, 2. Realize I am doing MY OWN BUILD, NOT YOUR BUILD, 3. Realize that not all warriors are dumb, and 4. Not try to tell people what to improve on their build. The way I see it, the build is fine as long as we win.

If you don't want to have people tell you what to improve, then don't post it here. Simple. By posting it here, you're leaving it open to _constructive_ criticism-sure, it may seem rude for someone to offer their advice in CA, but I do it (politely). As long as it's constructive and well meaning, I can't see the hurt in someone offering their opinion.

AxeMe · Jan 05, 2006, 02:45 AM // 02:45

He was rude and there's no reason for that. You're right.

Mending is not the best approach to PvP, however. And being the last person standing is just another way of saying that everyone else on the team died which, of course, is not the idea.

I suspect you'll disagree with me - and that's OK. Half the fun of being reasonably civilized is the ability to disagree without being rude.

And here's the deal. I simply disagree with you. On the other hand, I wouldn't want to group with someone as rude as the character you described.

Rafe · Jan 05, 2006, 02:59 AM // 02:59

@SiliconWafer: Its not the criticism, its that what he was saying was blatantly unfair, biased, and isn't necessarely (SP?) true. I understand about the axe helm being useful, but I thought that the armor benefit and strength bonus outweighed the axe needs in this case.
@AxeMe: I'm not saying mending is the best approach. Keep in mind I was just trying out this build for kicks.
I also never said I was trying to be last person standing. I just ended up that way, and eventually someone always does end up that way, because everyone doesn't die at once usually. I'm just saying that at the end I was still being attacked by the enemy after I ressed and i still lasted w/o dying for a while. Proves this build has some tank strength.

carnivore · Jan 05, 2006, 03:01 AM // 03:01

i completely agree with the necro that was yelling you except for the part about swords and hammers only.

(this list does not counter yours)
1) you are focussed on self percivation, minimal damage.

2) you think battle rage is better than eviserate+ias

3) you think the warrior being the last one standing is something to be proud of.

4) this is all fine in Competition Arenas where half to 3/4 of the other people your playing have bars just as bad.

so in the end your build works for you because you got that kind of mentality. that build will not get you anywhere in a organized pvp situation(tombs or gvg).

(addresses your list)
1. it works in CA, where other players are bad anyway/have the same build you use.

2. its true your doing your own build, but this is just something of human nature(im doing it right now). you gotta correct something that is obviously and insanly wrong.

3. you arent helping your case

4. well if you dont want to improve..then whats the point.

sry if i sounded rude, nothin personal.

edit(after reading your post): tank strength is worthless for a warrior, youre usually the last one attacked, meaning everyone else is dead.

art_ · Jan 05, 2006, 03:04 AM // 03:04

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@SiliconWafer: Its not the criticism, its that what he was saying was blatantly unfair, biased, and isn't necessarely (SP?) true. I understand about the axe helm being useful, but I thought that the armor benefit and strength bonus outweighed the axe needs in this case.
@AxeMe: I'm not saying mending is the best approach. Keep in mind I was just trying out this build for kicks.
I also never said I was trying to be last person standing. I just ended up that way, and eventually someone always does end up that way, because everyone doesn't die at once usually. I'm just saying that at the end I was still being attacked by the enemy after I ressed and i still lasted w/o dying for a while. Proves this build has some tank strength.

Yeah but the way i see it, as a warrior in pvp, you *want* to be the one they target as you have superior armor anyway and your probably not such an intricate part of the teams strat. Hey, im no pvp expert but thats how i see it. For that reason a build with 'tank strength' aint great for pvp.

Also people willl see your a wammo and desecrate enchantments ...

Manfred · Jan 05, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09

I recommend switching to smiting and packing Strength of Honor (replaces mending with an impressive damage bonus) and Smite Hex (hex go boom). You're less self-sufficient, but as a warrior you are targeted last anyways.

Oh, and maybe changing the 11 from strength to Axe, sinceit really does make a difference.

One of my facorite builds actually is a sword build with 0 mana regen and Battle Rage, just as long as you're packing plenty of adrenal attacks it's very effective. That part I like, even if I don't think self-healing is an effecitve thing to do.

Rafe · Jan 05, 2006, 03:19 AM // 03:19

I'm not saying that this build is the best, like I said before I was just trying it for kicks. I have plenty of "real" buildls and stuff. Its not like im new to this at all.
I was mainly posting this cuz I was pissed on this dude who thought he knew my build better then me.

Daneish · Jan 05, 2006, 04:22 AM // 04:22

I'd be lying if I said I don't die a little bit inside every time I get teamed with a War/Mo in CA. Warriors are high armor targets as it is, so self-preservation enchantments in PvP get a little redundant. A War/Mo with Healing/Prot is remarkably less effective than a Warrior spec'd to kill, in a PvP setting.

That Necro didn't care about your specific build. He was tooled the minute you cast Mending.

Rafe · Jan 05, 2006, 04:27 AM // 04:27

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Originally Posted by Daneish

I'd be lying if I said I don't die a little bit inside every time I get teamed with a War/Mo in CA. Warriors are high armor targets as it is, so self-preservation enchantments in PvP get a little redundant. A War/Mo with Healing/Prot is remarkably less effective than a Warrior spec'd to kill, in a PvP setting.

That Necro didn't care about your specific build. He was tooled the minute you cast Mending.

No more like the minute he saw W/Mo

Dzan · Jan 05, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

I don't get the point of this thread. You use an admittedly terrible build and then some rude person overreacts and you expect... what exactly? Sure the guy was a jerk, but we can hardly take your side on it since your build is pretty bad and some of his points were valid.

Rico Carridan · Jan 05, 2006, 05:00 AM // 05:00

First off, I completely agree with pretty much everything the necro said. I'll give my brief analysis on the subject and your build since this is the build forum, and that's what we do.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Anyways first thing this necro on my team says when I get on is, "Oh great, another bloody dumb Wammo! Everyone knows in PVP you always have to use a different second proffession!!"
I'm like wtf?

I'll actually start off agreeing with you here. W/Mo can actually a pretty good PvP combination, even a good damage producing combination if you run something like what Manfred suggested.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Then he complains that I'm using Mending and Live Vicariously, "two of the most pointless skills in PVP"
...Even though when I was last in party I lasted a min and thirty seconds without dying just from those...

If you bring mending to comp arenas, you should be using it on the squishiest target on your team, preferably a monk. However, it is a much better practice not to bring either of these skills, since aside from the fact that you have no energy, and thus can't some very useful stance skills, notably frenzy and sprint. Live vicarously... I just don't like this skill. I don't think it is a worthwhile use of your energy, unless you are farming and can attack multiple targets.

Not dying, by the way, is not useful PvP strategy. It is easy to make a build that can survive basically indefinitely in Comp arenas against an average team, mainly because enchantment removal and wild blow are pretty rare. That does not mean that the build is any good.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Then he complains that dragons armor sucks and I should always use glads
...Even though I don't use energy in this build, an andrenaline tank build...

He's right about this one. A suit of glad's armor with a pair of knights/ascalon boots is head and shoulders above every other available armor combination for warriors. Wyvern/dragon armor provide slightly better elemental protection than Glad's, but elemental attacks are quite rare, especially in PvP, so the 100 AL that Glad's provides will be better than dragon armor.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Then he complains that my dragon helm sucks and that I should always use a glads helm or a weapon helm such as sword or axe.
...Even though I get an armor boost and a longer time on Battle Rage...

He's right about this. Since you're a PvE character, you should probably actually be running the Lieutenant's Helm in PvP. A weapon skill helm is good too though, particularly since you don't have 12 points invested in your primary weapon! So that you know, if you have less than 12 points in your weapon skill, you do not do full damage with your sword. At 10 skill, you're only doing 84% of the listed damage on your weapon--a significant loss, particularly since most people run at 16 skill, 115% listed damage. Higher skill also means you will get significantly more critical hits.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Then he complains that I must use a sword because "everyone knows swords + hammers are best for pvp"

I don't know where he's getting this from. Axes are the most popular PvP weapon for warriors by a long shot. Swords, are generally considered to be subpar. Hammers, although underused, are still respected greatly.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

Then I am the last one standing, and I saved res to start a res chain at end.

You should res as soon as someone dies. In comp arena, everyone probably has res sigs anyway, and there's no morale, so you can't really start a res chain most of the time. Saving a res for the end--particularly as a warrior!--is foolish.

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Originally Posted by Rafe

But seriously, why cant jerks like this 1. See that they are wrong, and some of this stuff works, 2. Realize I am doing MY OWN BUILD, NOT YOUR BUILD, 3. Realize that not all warriors are dumb, and 4. Not try to tell people what to improve on their build. The way I see it, the build is fine as long as we win.

Builds like these are considered a joke in competitive PvP. While some of the things the necro said aren't accurate, he's right more than he's wrong. What I'm curious about is why you wouldn't want advise on how to improve your build. I mean, yes, fundamentally you might not appreciate his attitude about it, but if you're doing something that doesn't work well, and he knows a better way to do it, why shouldn't he give you some advice? Part of being a good player is learning how to improve yourself and your builds. Attitude aside, he's trying to help you become a better and more productive player, and you're being willfully ignorant.

Rico

Lampshade · Jan 05, 2006, 06:19 AM // 06:19

Bravo to Rico, said it perfectly. I run sword+hammer warrior all the time and they work magnificant. Axes are good though.

Sarus · Jan 05, 2006, 06:27 AM // 06:27

This forum is for PvP strategy discussion not builds or rants. Closed before people start coming over here just to flame.