Curse

Asrial · Jan 11, 2006, 11:21 AM // 11:21

ZOMG! MY LIFE WASTED!

BigTru · Jan 11, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

Anyone else curious why EP copied Warmachines GvG build skill-for-skill, yet they complain about people copying thier builds and lacking originality?

http://guildwars.tentonhammer.com/in...lay&ceid= 125

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Lumi: Currently we change because we set the metagame with whatever we run. Right now you can see most the top guilds running our build, trying to mimic it. Then we change again, and the metagame is changed once again, and the cycle continues.

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Lumi: Not really. We get flamed no matter WHAT we do, due to jealously. All we run into is other people running our builds. We change, they change, etc. Just no more originality.

I used to like EP a lot, but that interview just made them come off as arrogant jerks. Guess I can't really judge the whole EP based on that interview... Just their leader

Anyways, that was a very long round, and kinda boring too. A good majority of the battle (not suprisingly) wasn't even fighting. =/

crimsonfilms · Jan 11, 2006, 05:01 PM // 17:01

Not only skill for skill - but attribute also.

WM Berri was probably laughing.

Patrograd · Jan 11, 2006, 05:13 PM // 17:13

I enjoyed that battle hugely. Considering what was at stake the tension was great, as it was in the second battle also

The tactics and movement were superb, although I felt pRp might have been a little more agressive at times when they had the upper hand, but hard for them with their spike split. Some of the defensive work by their monks early on was superb though.

Interesting to watch the respective flag runners and how they went about their job. I dont think there was a morale boost conceded until about 45 minutes in. EP didnt really get on top and look certain to win until the pRp runner was DP'd out.

A classic match in many ways, split squad gankers vs spike and, i thought, a great lesson in GvG tactics and movement

crimsonfilms · Jan 11, 2006, 05:29 PM // 17:29

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a great lesson in GvG tactics and movement

Actually pRp should have won the game. It was their tactical mistakes (and ANet's FUBAR) that caused them the game. In the first 2 games, pRp WAS CLEARLY SUPERIOR. The supposed spike metagame of EP was outplayed. They coould not spike a volleyaball. They could not break the bonds.

It was pRp's hold the flag stand until sundown that allowed EP to win game 2. they should have killed them much earlier. Much.

EP's 2R/2Mes build was far from suitable for the tasks - that is why they had to switch - using the EXACT same build as another well known team. They lost any credibility left they had on that one.

Another thing. ANet allowed EP to change build after the second restart of game 3 (technically it was game 5). That should have not been. In game 4 pRp was again the superior team but ANet wanted to restart it because they had technical difficulties on Observer Mode. Bad technically and horrendous administration!!

Kassad · Jan 11, 2006, 05:50 PM // 17:50

Wait, what? EP Copied WM's build? Is that allowed?

JR · Jan 11, 2006, 10:42 PM // 22:42

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Originally Posted by Kassad

Wait, what? EP Copied WM's build? Is that allowed?

Well considering pRp was running a near replica of EP's usual build, I would hope so. Builds arent copywrighted.

As for the match, pRp had it under controll for a long time, but whenever they had the opportunity to push forward and finish it, valor took the safe road and held the stand. Eventually EP worked off their DP, and had the map under their controll again.

Tigris Of Gaul · Jan 11, 2006, 11:08 PM // 23:08

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Originally Posted by crimsonfilms

Actually pRp should have won the game. It was their tactical mistakes (and ANet's FUBAR) that caused them the game. Another thing. ANet allowed EP to change build after the second restart of game 3 (technically it was game 5). That should have not been. In game 4 pRp was again the superior team but ANet wanted to restart it because they had technical difficulties on Observer Mode. Bad technically and horrendous administration!!

pRp should've won but their tactical mistakes cost them. Yeah, that's usually how it is.

ArenaNet having to restart the match is unfortunate, but it is in the rules that they can do so. Saying that pRp would have certainly won is flawed reasoning.

Venom · Jan 11, 2006, 11:17 PM // 23:17

That is NOT game 3. That is game *4*.
We had game 3 in hand, but had to restart.

pRp was not running a replica of EP's build. Valor invented the current r-spike. He is the leader of pRp. Furthermore, the modded spike I ran included a shatter mesmer before EP had it in their build. So, seeing as how they have 2 r/me, 1 mes/nec, that means they copied 3/5 of the classic ranger spike offense. Since they included a shatter mes, that means they copied my mod on the spike. The only original mod they had is the N/R.
Also, they copied WM's build for game 4.

And we certainly would have won. We had full morale, were in their base. They all had DP, some were close to being DPed out.

I have a short explanation of what happened here:
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...6&postcount=93
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...1&postcount=96

The thread I replied in:
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...t=35096&page=4

Divine Elemental · Jan 11, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by Venom

That is NOT game 3. That is game *4*.
We had game 3 in hand, but had to restart.

pRp was not running a replica of EP's build. Valor invented the current r-spike. He is the leader of pRp. Furthermore, the modded spike I ran included a shatter mesmer before EP had it in their build. So, seeing as how they have 2 r/me, 1 mes/nec, that means they copied 3/5 of the classic ranger spike offense. Since they included a shatter mes, that means they copied my mod on the spike. The only original mod they had is the N/R.
Also, they copied WM's build for game 4.

And we certainly would have won. We had full morale, were in their base. They all had DP, some were close to being DPed out.

I have a short explanation of what happened here:
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...6&postcount=93

The thread I replied in:
http://www.guild-hall.net/forum/show...t=35096&page=4

That makes me think if Anet wants EP to win...
kinda unfair imo

i c
the post at the other site just sickens me...
believeing EP doesnt copy builds at the same time they did...
1 Word - Wow...

who knows..

overall pRp didnt do bad.... its just it was anets fault.

M3lk0r · Jan 12, 2006, 12:02 AM // 00:02

Indeed, Anet has totaly screwed up its first major comp.

And "lol" at Lumi's interview.....

yangster · Jan 12, 2006, 01:51 AM // 01:51

I see EP loosing. Especially if they needed to copy a build just to win. They should have known what pRp was running from watching the observer, that's if they were allowed too, or from previous battle that they fought in.

Vermilion Okeanos · Jan 12, 2006, 02:55 AM // 02:55

everyone watching the previous games of pRp vs EP said that EP going to need a miracle (match 1).

Well, I guess they prayed so hard that God decided to screw with Anet's machines.

lol

anyway, I was disappoint how pRp cut all agression in their strategy, never heard of that the best defense is a good offense? Oh well.

I was also disappointed in EP for doing copy builds, but it is ok, it wasn't any cheat or anything. They did made a good choice in taking WM's build, but that was because they had the extra time to decide to use it and organize it... so that is a trigger of luck.

I am sure the EP is very happy to win over pRp regardless of the luck factor. I hope EP thank their God that they prayed to =P
OR FACE
DIVINE PUNISHMENT: This is an elite skill. Targeted guild lose all ability to fight on, causing them to be decimated. -777 health degeneration. This skill ignore all magical effects and physical effects. (If God attribute of infinite is not met, this skill has 0% sucess rate)
Cast: none Energy: none Recharge: none

j/k

Manfred · Jan 12, 2006, 01:38 PM // 13:38

Eh, both sides got lucky. Prp was dodging catapults left and right earlier :P

I guess I have to say although i think it was fair, the level of technical dificulties etc. Reflects badly on Anet.

munkieix · Jan 13, 2006, 04:40 PM // 16:40

-.- i wanted pRp to win tOO... as some ppl said pRp got cheated out of it stupid Anet o_O