Curse

LightningHell · Jan 13, 2006, 07:40 AM // 07:40

Something I thought up again, except this isn't another SoJ spiking build.
I'm sure someone made something like this already.

Me/E Quick Nuker
E/Me Power Nuker
Me/E Nuker with some Air Magic
E/Mo Quicksilver
Me/N Sinkhole
R/W Ferocious Hammer
Mo/R Protector
Mo/E Healer

Me/E Quick Nuker
Fast Casting: 10 +3 +1 (14)
Inspiration: 8 +1 (9)
Fire Magic: 12 (12)

Mantra of Recovery {E}
Fireball
Energy Tap
Arcane Echo
Phoenix
Immolate
Lava Font
Fire Attunement

E/Me Power Nuker
Energy Storage: 8 +1 (9)
Fire Magic: 12 +3 +1 (16)
Inspiration: 10 (10)

Fireball
Energy Tap
Arcane Echo
Phoenix
Glyph of Renewal {E}
Fire Attunement
Meteor
Fire Storm

Me/E Nuker with some Air Magic
Fast Casting: 8 +3 +1 (12)
Fire Magic: 11 (11)
Air Magic: 11 (11)

Arcane Echo
Arcane Mimicry
Phoenix
Fireball
Lightning Strike
Enervating Charge
Chain Lightning
Elemental Attunement {E}

E/Mo Quicksilver
Energy Storage: 8 +1 +1 (10)
Air Magic: 9 +1 (10)
Water Magic: 9 +3 (12)
Healing Prayers: 10 (10)

Gale
Mind Freeze {E}
Armor of Mist
Blurred Vision
Heal Party
Heal Other
Healing Breeze
Windborne Speed

Me/N Sinkhole
Fast Casting: 8 +1 (9)
Domination: 9 +3 (12)
Illusion: 9 +1 +1 (10)
Curses: 10 (10)

Phantom Pain
Arcane Conundrum
Power Leak
Cry of Frustration
Arcane Echo
Rend Enchantments
Malaise
Power Block {E}

R/W Knockdown Warrior
Expertise: 8 +1 +1 (10)
Beast Mastery: 10 +3 (13)
Hammer Mastery: 12 (12)

Ferocious Strike{E}
Irresistible Blow
Counter Blow
Hammer Bash
“To The Limit!”
Dodge
Charm Animal
Frenzy

Mo/R Melandru’s Protector
Idea, and most of the build by Kabale.
I'm thinking it might work. Don't mind me, I'm insane.
Divine Favor: 11 +1 +1
Protection Prayers: 10 +3
Wilderness Survival: 10

Protective Spirit
Reversal of Fortune
Aegis
Draw Conditions
Guardian
Melandru's Resilience {E}
Divine Boon
Serpent’s Quickness

Mo/E Warding Healer
Divine Favor: 8 +1 (9)
Healing Prayers: 12 +3 +1 (16)
Earth Magic: 10 (10)

Armor of Earth
Orison of Healing
Kinetic Armor
Infuse Health
Obsidian Flesh {E}
Ward Against Foes
Heal Other
Restore Life

I'm having trouble squeezing:
Shadow of Fear
Panic {E}
Convert Hexes

JR · Jan 13, 2006, 09:37 AM // 09:37

For a start, no flag runner (Unless the ele with Windborne is). However I guess we can skip that as being trivial, after watching some of the korean guilds....

Anyway, about the concept. You use a fair amount of PBAoE (Point blank area of effect) spells in the build, which is a bad idea. In PvP, GvG particularly, positioning is key.To represent a flagstand style battle with an Ian Boyd style diagram, here is what you should be aiming for:

-------Monks-------
--------------------
--Offensive Casters-
--------------------
------Warriors------
--------------------
---((FLAGSTAND))--

----OTHER TEAM----

If you use PBAoE spells, it means your casters have to move right up into the lines of the opposing team. For soft targets, that is really not a great idea. Warriors and Melee rangers up front, as they have the armour to deal with much more damage. So basicly the lesson here is to stick with ranged spells only on what should be midline characters.

The other thing is DOT (Damage Over Time) spells, such as Meteor Shower and Firestorm. These are nice in PvE but utterly crippled in PvP by their long cast times, which mean they are bait for interrupts. Not to mention they are quite simply countered with the use of W, A, S and D.

Your attributes are also very thinly spread, generally speaking for casters you should spec in three attributes:

Primary Class Attribute (Expertise, Soul Reaping.. etc)
Skill Based Attribute (What you want to actually use; Air Magic, Domination.. etc)
Energy Management (Inspiration, Blood.. etc)

That is of course no iron bound rule, but it's a good one to work with. You will get far more bang for your buck if you try to keep offensive skills for a caster to one attribute line, and drop more points in it.

Your monks are a little silly, to be blunt. The Draw Conditions + Melandrus Resilience Monk is more of a gimmick that a serious idea. Both monks are also pretty tanked on high energy spells, with no energy management what so ever. In any kind of medium term battle this is going to mean they run out of steam fast, and thats when people start dropping. Have a look at the inspiration and blood lines for good energy gain skills.

The build as a whole has potential I think, 2 monks, 4 eles and a thumper. There is a lot of DPS there once you get the skills and attributes down. Anyway, I hope this has been helpfull, look forward to seeing a revised copy.

LightningHell · Jan 13, 2006, 10:33 AM // 10:33

Well, I was having fun with a classmate, he plays a fire ele and nothing else...

Really, this isn't supposed to be too serious.

I don't really have any serious builds, maybe I'll get around to making one.

I'll try to remake this.

gna · Jan 13, 2006, 02:52 PM // 14:52

You have only one rez (a hard rez on a monk) in your whole build?

JR · Jan 14, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I love how I failed to see that.

Cold · Jan 16, 2006, 12:51 PM // 12:51

I am sorry, I play a dumb ranger, so if I saw you in GvG I would put Nature Renewal first (so many mesmers, they are probably hexer-s, and I'd be totally wrong, but anyway) and Symbiosis (well, you don't have warriors and you have 2 eles, then you must be spikers). So how would your team play in such environment?

JR · Jan 16, 2006, 09:42 PM // 21:42

Kill the spirits.

[DE] · Jan 16, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

^JR is a very smart person. Yet somehow everyone thinks spirits are trivial, even frozen soil... that's why frozen soil is so effective lol, everyone thinks its a waste of time to kill!!!

LightningHell · Jan 17, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32

It's a bit hard for me to come up with a "real" build...

Mo/E Healer
Divine Favor: 8 +1 (9)
Healing Prayers: 12 +3 +1 (16)
Earth Magic: 10 (10)

Armor of Earth
Orison of Healing
Kinetic Armor
Infuse Health
Obsidian Flesh {E}
Ward Against Foes
Ward Against Melee
Restore Life

Mo/N Boon Prot
Divine Favor 11 +1 (12)
Protection Prayers 10 +3 +1 (14)
Blood Magic: 10 (10)

Divine Boon
Reversal of Fortune
Guardian
Mend Ailment
Remove Hex
Offering of Blood
Protective Spirit
Rebirth (?) (need a rez, possibly Resurrect)

R/W Ferocious Warrior
Expertise: 8 +1 +1 (10)
Beast Mastery: 10 +3 (13)
Hammer Mastery: 12 (12)

Ferocious Strike{E}
Crushing Blow
Hammer Bash
Call of Haste
Dodge
Charm Animal
Frenzy
Heavy Blow

Me/N Sinkhole
Fast Casting: 5 +1
Domination: 10 +3 (13)
Illusion: 10 +1 +1 (12)
Curses: 10 (10)

Arcane Conundrum
Power Block {E}
Energy Burn
Phantom Pain
Shatter Delusions
Malaise
Shadow of Fear
Rend Enchantments

E/Mo Quicksilver
Energy Storage: 8 +1 +1 (10)
Air Magic: 9 +1 (10)
Water Magic: 9 +3 (12)
Healing Prayers: 10 (10)

Gale
Mind Freeze {E}
Armor of Mist
Blurred Vision
Heal Party
Heal Other
Windborne Speed
Restore Life

Me/E Echo Nuker
Fast Casting: 8 +3 +1 (12)
Fire Magic: 11 (11)
Air Magic: 11 (11)

Arcane Echo
Arcane Mimicry
Rodgort's Invocation
Fireball
Lightning Strike
Enervating Charge
Chain Lightning
Elemental Attunement {E}

N/Mo Battery
Soul Reaping: 8 +1
Blood Magic: 12 +3 +1
Healing Prayers: 10

Blood Ritual
Heal Party
Heal Other
Blood is Power {E}
Healing Breeze
Restore Life
Vampiric Gaze
Shadow Strike

Me/E
Fast Casting: 10 +3 +1 (14)
Domination: 8 +1 (9)
Fire Magic: 12 (12)

Mantra of Recovery {E}
Fireball
Power Leak
Arcane Echo
Incendiary Bonds
Immolate
Rodgort's Invocation
Fire Attunement

I need to get in some self-heals and rez sigs.

stokey · Jan 18, 2006, 06:01 AM // 06:01

I don't like rebirth in any build unless it's PvE or Me/Mo. Reason being that it is hardly ever useful in PvP. In GvG, the only time you should be using that kind of rez is when you have ppl at 60% and you need to get that person to safety. I also don't like monk primaries carrying hard rezzes because in the time it takes for them to rez, more people die.

Something I also noticed was the R/W using frenzy. If you're going to have as many points in beast mastery as you are, why not use tiger's fury instead of frenzy? It doesn't have the double damage negative effect. Energy shouldn't be a problem with the amount of expertise you plan on having.

LightningHell · Jan 18, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

The monk primary rezzes are mainly for there in case of emergencies. By the way, I hate rebirth too, but I don't know what rez else to put in. (Resurrect, maybe?)
I don't want Tiger's Fury since it disables all non-attack skills, which includes Ferocious Strike. I might replace Call of Haste with it, though.