Curse

Nightwish · Nov 01, 2005, 09:35 AM // 09:35

I'm not really bothered by the paladins. They can still do damage although not the best out there.

The thing that bothers me the most is that most of these warriors tend to try "dueling" with enemy warriors. This results in very little damage done by the paladins on my team while the opposite team (if they know target priority) demolish our squshies :S

Wosco · Nov 01, 2005, 07:51 PM // 19:51

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Originally Posted by qwe4rty

Just modify it a little bit and you had a decent build.

Exactly my point. The original poster was saying that the *unmodified* paladin build was no good (which was his beef with them using restore life). Yes, all premades can be turned into good builds if they are modified.

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Originally Posted by Patrograd

The only characters you can make are the pre-made ones, thats why they're there after all.

I've never checked out PvP on a fresh purchase of GW. So since you have, I'd like to know more about it. If you can only make premades with a fresh copy, when do you unlock the "custom character" option? Do you have to unlock res sig with faction? Also, do you get access to all skills that are available to the premades if you make a custom character (assuming custom character doesn't need to be unlocked)?

DarkAynjil · Nov 01, 2005, 08:16 PM // 20:16

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Originally Posted by Red_Pendragon

As someone who uses the Paladin (although modified) I have to defend us being shot

First - as was mentioned, you could argue they are all sub-par builds. So what can you say - they are there for learning the game and from your mistakes. A starting point from which to work off of (I just got it last week after all).

Second - While you laugh that I used Restore Life - I can only wonder what you say to the 4 opposing team players that ignored me while I used it; count it... 4 times in one battle.

Ok. I'm not going to berate you or belittle you for using restore life. But If I had been your opponent and watched restore life come up on your bar - I would have let you use it - and then whacked whoever just got rezzed with 45% HP. I do this all the time when I see a "hard" rez being used in CA. I've even seen Rebirth used. Same thing - whoever got rebirthed has low health and is defensless - whack, dead again.
Rez Sig = 100% health, faster cast than Restore Life.
Just chew that over, will ya?

dustbunny · Nov 01, 2005, 08:48 PM // 20:48

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

ok we all get that feeling when we are fighting and we see some warrior/monk running around with his sword in comp arena and dont we just
hate it when they attempt a restore life which takes 8 secs ( like forever in battle) while thier team is getting munched and then at the last second put on healing hands thinking " well that ought to protect me from these air ele's" (lol as we all know it only works towards physical dmg) it's just the paladin is sooo bad

advantages
..does some dmg

disadvantages
no self healing except from healing hands
no power
no condition removel
no interupt
no speed increase in attack
no point

i rest my case.

There are people that are at the beginning of the learning curve, and there are people that have not unlocked anything for warriors. How about having a bit of tolerance? How about instead of expressing your disdain for other people and putting them down, spend some time playing with them and helping them learn? Not everyone is a prodigy like you, who can arrive new to a game and instantly know everything about it by touching the game box.

dont feel no pain · Nov 01, 2005, 10:27 PM // 22:27

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Originally Posted by dustbunny

There are people that are at the beginning of the learning curve, and there are people that have not unlocked anything for warriors. How about having a bit of tolerance? How about instead of expressing your disdain for other people and putting them down, spend some time playing with them and helping them learn? Not everyone is a prodigy like you, who can arrive new to a game and instantly know everything about it by touching the game box.

I completly agree and i do spend time teaching my guildies freinds and all, but i made this thread to explain how bad i think the paladin realy is thats all and dont worry i dont should people for using it ..........yet.

Red Locust · Nov 01, 2005, 11:01 PM // 23:01

Not only is the Paladin premade bad, it's based upon a philosophy that's totally off - healing others should be the last thing on a warrior's mind, not the basis for half his build. This also goes for most of the other premades, they totally go about the wrong/inefficient way of doing things.

Unfortunately the only thing the premades are good for is using a particular skill that you have yet to unlock. New players need good builds with which they can improve their skills, not terrible builds that leave them wondering what they're doing wrong. Hopefully ANet does something to fix this situation.

[EW]Elendar · Nov 02, 2005, 11:05 AM // 11:05

all paladins should be shot with shatter enchant, such fun

Sister Rosette · Nov 02, 2005, 11:08 AM // 11:08

The character I saw today that was 'Lord of Paladins' or something like that
that was a W/R should be shot, if only to make the world a little less
stupid.

Accurax · Nov 02, 2005, 11:26 AM // 11:26

na na na na take a w/mo with nothing but healing hands and running skills ............ easiest way to annoy people ever

Venus · Nov 02, 2005, 11:35 AM // 11:35

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Originally Posted by Red Locust

Not only is the Paladin premade bad, it's based upon a philosophy that's totally off - healing others should be the last thing on a warrior's mind, not the basis for half his build. This also goes for most of the other premades, they totally go about the wrong/inefficient way of doing things.

Unfortunately the only thing the premades are good for is using a particular skill that you have yet to unlock. New players need good builds with which they can improve their skills, not terrible builds that leave them wondering what they're doing wrong. Hopefully ANet does something to fix this situation.

I acually think that the paladin premade is a wonderfull character...

to start start the game with

When I first started playing guildwars, and I made my first pvp character, it was a paladin ("because it looked cool")

So yes, the paladin is a horrable character, bla, bla, etc. but it is a great character to learn the basics of how to pvp with.

smurfhunter · Nov 02, 2005, 01:51 PM // 13:51

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Originally Posted by Venus

I acually think that the paladin premade is a wonderfull character...

to start start the game with

When I first started playing guildwars, and I made my first pvp character, it was a paladin ("because it looked cool")

So yes, the paladin is a horrable character, bla, bla, etc. but it is a great character to learn the basics of how to pvp with.

i would disagree with you, but your avatar is too sexy for me so ill pass

damocles · Nov 02, 2005, 01:57 PM // 13:57

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Originally Posted by Venus

I acually think that the paladin premade is a wonderfull character...

to start start the game with

When I first started playing guildwars, and I made my first pvp character, it was a paladin ("because it looked cool")

So yes, the paladin is a horrable character, bla, bla, etc. but it is a great character to learn the basics of how to pvp with.

What basics?? If your talking about CA then I agreed with you, but not on TA, Tombs or GvG. A warrior is made to kill, not made to use self-heals.

NatalieD · Nov 02, 2005, 04:38 PM // 16:38

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Originally Posted by Venus

So yes, the paladin is a horrable character, bla, bla, etc. but it is a great character to learn the basics of how to pvp with.

I don't follow. Wouldn't it make more sense to learn the basics of pvp with a build that somewhat resembles one you might actually use once you know what you're doing?

pork soldier · Nov 02, 2005, 05:31 PM // 17:31

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Originally Posted by dont feel no pain

ok we all get that feeling when we are fighting and we see some warrior/monk running around with his sword in comp arena and dont we just
hate it when they attempt a restore life which takes 8 secs ( like forever in battle) while thier team is getting munched and then at the last second put on healing hands thinking " well that ought to protect me from these air ele's" (lol as we all know it only works towards physical dmg) it's just the paladin is sooo bad

advantages
..does some dmg

disadvantages
no self healing except from healing hands
no power
no condition removel
no interupt
no speed increase in attack
no point

i rest my case.

Mending FTW

smurfhunter · Nov 02, 2005, 08:25 PM // 20:25

Rank Guild Name Tag Territory Rating Wins Losses
502nd Rumms Grizzly Warriors GRZL Am 1100 15 9

thats why

Nexx · Nov 02, 2005, 09:48 PM // 21:48

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Originally Posted by pork soldier

Mending FTW

Woah. Something's not right here. I'm sure the other w/mo weren't running the pre-made paladin build.

rii · Nov 02, 2005, 10:04 PM // 22:04

Actually ill defend the paladin.

For a start:

a modified paladin does not have the same skill set as a paladin, and in a game where you are 90% defined 'box sense' by your skill set, that means, shockingly, a modified paladin isnt a paladin! So, if you own with it, good for you. But its not a paladin.

As for it sucking, the only problem is restore life. Res sig subbed in and in CA i dominate regularly. When i started the game i used the paladin since it had damage and enough to protection to make a buffer for the shit that was passing as 'monk' at the time of release. And yes, in a few of the early battles, people were out-healed by mending.

I then stopped using it, in favour of 'good' builds.
Didnt make a lot of difference except for imbalanced stuff like frag, because a non-idiot can win easily with the paladin, and i did many times. Ive recently picked him back up again, and I know for a fact he can be good (this is ca we're talking about please remember).

Galrath Final is the biggest warrior spike (i.e. 2 hits) except for eviscerate/executioners, and that only wins because of the deep wound. Then again, i suppose, sword only beats it if your under 50% health. So that means its perfectly reasonable to run galrath final on a third warrior, although i suppose evis is better for security in case the first misses.
Sever/Gash... well, bleeding is crap, but in my eyes deep wound is best condition atm.

Mending is.... a gimmick. I often ctrl + click it when casting to get a laugh out of teammates.

Healing hands still works against ca-grade warriors. Not eles... obviously, but warriors (which it was designed for) still hit while its on (yes people are still that stupid) and they really cant do enough damage to get past it.

So actually, in ca, use healing hands all you want. As for sprint, every warrior should have it, and restore should be subbed in for res sig. (you may argue 'lol thats no longer a paladin since you changed stuff', but im too lazy to wait for 8s, so frankly i dont give a dam.

So actually, paladin works good. Ive killed countless people with it, often being the only one on my team to do so.
In fact, two days ago i ran around as my alias P A L A D I N F T W and went 16 (several flawless) with no monk, and a minion master (premade)

What youve ultimately got to remember is that in ca, everyones builds are crap, so if your above average then you can kill with anything. If i can be bothered, ill make a video of me owning with just frenzy sprint and res sig.

Venus · Nov 02, 2005, 10:26 PM // 22:26

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Originally Posted by NatalieD

I don't follow. Wouldn't it make more sense to learn the basics of pvp with a build that somewhat resembles one you might actually use once you know what you're doing?

I dont think so. It would be pretty diffecult for a new player (like, just getting the game) to all of a sudden play a shutdown mesmer (for me it would at least).

So the paladin is a great first pvp experience character because all you basically do is click and attack, and read skill descriptions while you use them (thats what I did in the first random arena match i did

)

Are you not supposed to evolve your skills over time? It would not make sense to start the game off with somthing that you would use when you were (later) more experienced with it (with the same understanding at least). Dont get me wrong, I still use my original R/Mo, but with a different understanding of it, and a better understanding of the things that I face with it (a premade W/Mo for example).

smurfhunter · Nov 02, 2005, 10:32 PM // 22:32

let me revise my position on this: if you make a paladin with a name that is something like "X Ownage X" or "Iway Master" you must be shot on sight and you genes destroyed.

there is a subtle difference between a 'newb' and a 'noob'

pork soldier · Nov 03, 2005, 12:48 AM // 00:48

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Originally Posted by Nexx

Woah. Something's not right here. I'm sure the other w/mo weren't running the pre-made paladin build.

Alright, I'll fess up .. one of us was an immitation stefan.

"Charge!"