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Slick Blade · Feb 01, 2006, 06:00 AM // 06:00

Has any information been released on if rank will be changed or reset with the release of chapter2.

I think it would be way too unfair on the people that have earnt and deserve there rank to have it reset. However I for one will not bother parting with my hard earnt cash if it remains the same. Plus for longetivity of the game you need something to aim for. As it is currently it will only get worse imgine how hard it will be for a new comer in 12 months time.

So here are some possible suggestions i thought up.

Rank from 0-3 remains the same you gain rank for wins and cannot lose it. Once you reach rank 3 however you lose 1 fame point for each loss. Making it harder to get to rank 6 and above. (I have seen too many arguments from people stating that rank means experience not skill.) This should then make rank 3 a measure of exp and rank 6 a better measure of skill. (you can still farm fame a little bit as long as you win twice for each loss. Thus netting 2 fame but if you can win twice each time u enter then u deserve some fame.)

There also needs to be rewards for winning and holding halls. So why not make it that if you win halls for the next 24 hours you are unable to lose fame. Quite the incentive to win for the fame farmers among us and will give people the freedom to experiment and try new builds without being punished. For holding halls you could just get a huge chunk of fame ??

This still leaves people under rank 3 out in the cold. To counter this you need to give higher ranked more skillful players incentive to play with the new comers. Maybe give rank 6 and beyond players double fame for winning matches with at least 2 unranked players in there group. Imagine how much more welcoming it would be for an unranked player to come to Heroes ascent and see "rank 9 group looking for 2 unranked players with ts/venty to finish group."

You may think my ideas are good or bad. So feel free to flame them if u wish i have a thick skin.

Mystical · Feb 01, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

Sounds good, but I see one thing happening. You're gunna end up with people ragequiting on you if they think the team is gunna lose to avoid the fame deduction.

In the end, no one will be staying to the end of the match if they're going to lose.

Slick Blade · Feb 01, 2006, 11:12 AM // 11:12

Good point i didnt think of that. i thought it would make people less likely to use pugs but it definatly needs improving.

=HT=Ingram · Feb 01, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

If its true to a ladder system if they quit it will still register their loss. So anyone unwilling to actually play the game... should bugger off...

No sorry.. that's uncalled for... But that's the point. To play. not to flaunt, Irritate, Resell, or Be a nuisance to the community. Some will say. Well Ingy... that you isn't it? lol cause there are a few in guru that Really do not like some of the things I post when it comes to cheaters... But Still others that I get a lot of constructive feedback from... SO lol IDK. lol I think its fine the way it is. but they are going to have to add some new avatar levels soon. more and more are reaching level 12 rank now...

Fantus · Feb 01, 2006, 01:01 PM // 13:01

In addition to the above poster's point that this system would only lead to players leave on the slightest hint that the game might end in a loss, it also would create more hate and bitching than anything else in the game. Can you REMOTELY imagine what a guy might type into chat who just lost his precious wolf emote because of losing one game too much?

Rank is there for showing that you have a certain experience in PvP (like knowing maps and strategy etc..). A ranked player under the current system is someone who is familiar with HA and has won a certain number of games there. That's all it can show. That's all it NEEDS to show. It's NOT meant to show that you're a 1337 player who can hold HoH for 10 hours straight. It can't do that, neither the existing system nor the "take away fame on loss" system. You CAN'T create a rank system that would show your personal success in HA because the success depends on the whole TEAM and not an individual player. An individual's success in HA can't even be measured because a total retard still could win games in HA by paying off War Machine to take him with them into HA. He wouldn't contribute to the success of the team of course, but he would build up rank that way. Fair?

And yes, a system like that would even MORE lead to lock new players out of HA since nobody in their right mind would risk their rank by taking unknown players into their team.

Therefore this idea is about as bad as it gets. No flame, of course.

JR · Feb 01, 2006, 02:43 PM // 14:43

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Originally Posted by Slick Blade

Rank from 0-3 remains the same you gain rank for wins and cannot lose it. Once you reach rank 3 however you lose 1 fame point for each loss. Making it harder to get to rank 6 and above. (I have seen too many arguments from people stating that rank means experience not skill.) This should then make rank 3 a measure of exp and rank 6 a better measure of skill. (you can still farm fame a little bit as long as you win twice for each loss. Thus netting 2 fame but if you can win twice each time u enter then u deserve some fame.)

/signed.

Excellent suggestion. I disagree that there needs to be any additional incentive to win Halls, that is probably fine as it is. The rest of you idea is a system very close to what I had in mind, better infact.

Rank 3 would be a good benchmark, knowing that the player had experience and would know what was going on in HA. Ranks above that would actually show skill for the first time in a long while. I do think however, as the point fantus made suggests, that maybe once you get a certain rank you can no longer drop below that. Lack of wins will simply stop you advancing any further.

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Rank is there for showing that you have a certain experience in PvP (like knowing maps and strategy etc..). A ranked player under the current system is someone who is familiar with HA and has won a certain number of games there. That's all it can show. That's all it NEEDS to show. It's NOT meant to show that you're a 1337 player who can hold HoH for 10 hours straight. It can't do that, neither the existing system nor the "take away fame on loss" system. You CAN'T create a rank system that would show your personal success in HA because the success depends on the whole TEAM and not an individual player. An individual's success in HA can't even be measured because a total retard still could win games in HA by paying off War Machine to take him with them into HA. He wouldn't contribute to the success of the team of course, but he would build up rank that way. Fair?

To get regular and consistant skilled PuGs, you need to actually be fairly good. Maybe you have no experience of this, but people tend not to party repeatedly with bad players. The current system shows exactly NOTHING. As in literally nothing. In the same way that someone who bought the game and has just installed it could farm 1000 plat through wanding Aloe Seeds to death. You can be absolutely TERRIBLE at this game, but still eventually rack up fame. Does it show experience? Not really, especially not fame gained entirely through IWAY.

With a system that would punish people for trying to farm fame with IWAY and other gimmicks, other builds would flourish. Eventually tombs may even have a "metagame" like GvG, instead of just FoTM builds. And with this system in place, rank would no longer just show how well you can farm with IWAY or whatever, instead it would actually show that you are generally a successful tombs player. A safe bet for a party.

Loviatar · Feb 01, 2006, 03:29 PM // 15:29

CONSIDER THIS PEOPLE

my prediction is a separate rank system for each chapter with each person displaying the rank earned in that chapter.

there will be many people who buy chapter 2 that will not have chapter 1 access.

we are going to a new continent filled with strange and wonderful things.

notice the difference in skill names for instance?

substitute the new ranking system names and emotes for chapter 2 and everybody is happy.

go back to chapter 1 and flaunt your rank and have the goal of going as high on the new continent as well.

that way you will not lose anything and still have a fresh challenge

neoteo · Feb 01, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

what ? i dont believe they will reset any rank ... whats done is done , cant take it back. someone who starts playing that game today cant have the same rank as one that is playing for 10 months. same or diferent continent , i dont see any reason for a rank to be reset.

btw i have rank 1 fame 58

agentblade · Feb 01, 2006, 04:55 PM // 16:55

an interesting idea nonetheless...

a possible solution is that there will also be a fame penalty for quitters so u can't quit at the slightest possibilty of losing.. but that doesn't stop the bitching and what not.. It's a tricky situation which must be carefully thought about i feel.. might do the overall game more harm than good.. In MMOs community harmony is an important part of the game..

but at the end of the day fame is only an indication of map experience only. Not even build experience or more so skill. More fame does not mean more skill.. The only people who know u're skillful will always be ur guild mate, thus the name of this game, Guild Wars.. u earn the respect of ur guild members not the randoms on the street..

Hell Marauder · Feb 01, 2006, 05:44 PM // 17:44

/signed

I like the dynamic fame/rank idea. Otherwise, rank demanded for grouping will only go up as more people get theirs, and will be more and more unfriendly toward any newcomer who doesn't have any.

leeky baby · Feb 01, 2006, 05:54 PM // 17:54

hmmmm, its a tricky one, do u not think when chapter 2 comes out that the experienced players will walk all over the new player pugs, well people will exchange names of charchters in the new game, when i get chapter 2 i think out guild will be re-made or meet up on vent, we may not have the same rank but can earn it back fast. i dont like the way about taking fame of thou :s /unsigned.

Thailii Monkey · Feb 02, 2006, 09:43 PM // 21:43

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Originally Posted by leeky baby

hmmmm, its a tricky one, do u not think when chapter 2 comes out that the experienced players will walk all over the new player pugs.

This dosent happen now? :P

Guardian of the Light · Feb 02, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

You do know that everything in the PvP isles is the same for both chapters so characters from both 2 and 1 can fight there.

SOOO there CAN'T be seperate rank systems.

HOWEVER I like this idea for change to the ranking system

TheArrow · Feb 02, 2006, 11:50 PM // 23:50

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Originally Posted by T Waters

...or you can leave rank as it is....so many people grinded they fame why take it away from em....even separete rank idea is stupid in my opinion.....

Just cuz all the newer players started playing late dont mean the people who got that higer rank then them have to suffer again to be on the same level..im probly not making any sence at the moment cuz im relaxed but im I dont think they will remove fame/rank at all...it will just go along with u on your gw career (your account)....doing that will make alot of people who grind they deers/wolf/tigers/and specialy pheonixes (select few koreans) leave GW....

have a good rest of the night...dont flame to much..this is the internet

Right, lets leave fame the way it currently is because it does us so much good. Fame and thus rank only shows how much time you as a player have put into tombs. The problem lies in the fact that players with rank, lets say 9 because that's where most of the rank discrimination comes from, look at fame/rank and base your skill as a player from that.

allience · Feb 03, 2006, 12:48 AM // 00:48

i think resetting rank or making u lose rank if u lose a game is an awful idea. actually it's the worse idea someone could come up with. rank shows how much time you put into tombs. making it start from zero would be like deleting fow armor from ppl that already have it.

and making you lose rank coz u lose a game? WTF!? a win is a COLLECTIVE effort. losing YOUR fame because some team mate decided to rush ahead should not punish the whole team. and what about people that TEST new builds? have you even thought about that? Slick Blade, i bet all you ever played in hoh was iway and u probably can't even concieve the idea of trying a new build!

losing fame point for losing a match would make the gap between ranked and unranked players even greater. these days a rank 3 can still get into rank 6+ groups. but if ur fame is at stake, who will risk it?? i sure as hell would not.
you know i tried many times to organise an unranked pug. the problem is that they DON'T listen. most of them don't even want to download vent or ts. they don't respect the designated leader's calls. when i tried to suggest some different skills, i get called a noob. if i do see some1 playing seriously i save it on my list and play again with them anyday, regardless the rank.

and you all talk about rank and skill. Skill in gw is not being 'godly' or anything. It's about being familiar with the character YOU play best. it's about knowing when to use certain skills, when to click the goddamn buttons. in gw as in real life, practice makes perfect. the players that spend a lot of time in hoh will get good at what they do and i think they deserve to have something to differenciate them from the inexperienced ones.

a rank 6+ player, at least has all the pvp skills/items unlocked and most likely has seen what the hall of heros looks like. it's a player that knows the maps. it's will not get stuck in front of a door, it will know were the enemy Relic is and most importantly, it WILL listen to what the leader is saying on vent. even if it's iway, if they got to at least rank 3, they know how to play IWAY better than the unranked ones.

if u think rank means nothing, PROVE it. beat a rank 6+ team (that's not just testing a build) with an unranked pug.

Manfred · Feb 03, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

OK, i will and have.

pressure>r6++spike

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you know i tried many times to organise an unranked pug.

ah, me too, but that was before i learned the tricks of getting people to play what you want and be as good as you want. If all you've played is guild groups, though, you may not be good enough to get good PUGs though.

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making it start from zero would be like deleting fow armor from ppl that already have it.

This I agree with, clearing fame would be really annoying. really.

but nonetheless... changing the fame system in the way you describe is totally

/signed

Two April Mornings · Feb 03, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

/signed
my thing is then they should add emotes for each rank above 3 if we do that, or if that happens. Then skill can be seen even more easily.

tomcruisejr · Feb 03, 2006, 01:32 AM // 01:32

i used to think that rank system prevented new/inexperienced people from playing HA. but i was wrong.

its the people who overvalue/over rate rank. those people are the ones preventing others to play with the experienced sector of HA. but you can't blame them though. people want to win.

the rank system needs no revamp/revisions. it doesnt need to be completely "destroyed". fame is the reward to a winning party. its just the PVP HA version of gold in PVE. if mobs kill you in PVE, your gold count is still the same. same for fame.

its how we view /rank (individual rank) that must be changed.

guys, its just an emote that shows HA experience. your /rank wont matter in PVE. your /rank wont matter in GvG, the highest level of Guildwars PVP.

art_ · Feb 03, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

/unsigned

A lot of the signers will not be affected by losing fame for a loss because they have contacts who they can group with who perform consistently highly in pvp. Anybody who has to take a chance on unranked, or random r3s, has a far greater chance of losing fame simply because higher ranked groups win a lot more.

tafy69 · Feb 03, 2006, 09:39 AM // 09:39

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

i used to think that rank system prevented new/inexperienced people from playing HA. but i was wrong.

its the people who overvalue/over rate rank. those people are the ones preventing others to play with the experienced sector of HA. but you can't blame them though. people want to win.

the rank system needs no revamp/revisions. it doesnt need to be completely "destroyed". fame is the reward to a winning party. its just the PVP HA version of gold in PVE. if mobs kill you in PVE, your gold count is still the same. same for fame.

its how we view /rank (individual rank) that must be changed.

guys, its just an emote that shows HA experience. your /rank wont matter in PVE. your /rank wont matter in GvG, the highest level of Guildwars PVP.

People did overvalue rank so people farmed for it

Now Rank doesnt mean much, and most good players either play with guild or friends or nobody. Id rather not play than take a random guy even if hes R9+