Curse

Parkerbsb · Apr 10, 2006, 03:17 PM // 15:17

Backstory - I'm trying to come up with a decent build that can kill fairly easily, and has some damage to keep the pressure on in between spikes. I've learned that Dii can't do adrenal spikes easily...I realize wards are not meta-gaming, but truthfully - Dii is not near metagame atm

Elementalist/Mesmer
Level: 20
Energy Storage: 11 (10+1)
Earth Magic: 16 (12+4)
Illusion Magic: 8
- Obsidian Flame (Earth Magic)
- Glyph of Energy [Elite] (Elementalist other)
- Ward Against Melee (Earth Magic)
- Ward Against Foes (Earth Magic)
- Conjure Phantasm (Illusion Magic)
- Distortion (Illusion Magic)
- Imagined Burden (Illusion Magic)
- Resurrection Signet ()

Mesmer/Necromancer
Level: 20
Fast Casting: 5 (4+1)
Domination Magic: 16 (12+4)
Illusion Magic: 8 (7+1)
Blood Magic: 10
- Phantom Pain (Illusion Magic)
- Shatter Delusions (Domination Magic)
- Shatter Enchantment (Domination Magic)
- Conjure Phantasm (Illusion Magic)
- Distortion (Illusion Magic)
- Blood Ritual (Blood Magic)
- Offering of Blood [Elite] (Blood Magic)

Elementalist/Monk
Level: 20
Energy Storage: 9 (8+1)
Air Magic: 16 (12+4)
Healing Prayers: 10
- Lightning Orb (Air Magic)
- Lightning Strike (Air Magic)
- Blinding Flash (Air Magic)
- Windborne Speed (Air Magic)
- Ether Prodigy [Elite] (Energy Storage)
- Deep Freeze (Water Magic)
- Heal Party (Healing Prayers)
- Rebirth (Protection Prayers)

Necromancer/Mesmer
Level: 20
Soul Reaping: 4 (3+1)
Curses: 16 (12+4)
Blood Magic: 10 (9+1)
Inspiration Magic: 9
- Vampiric Gaze (Blood Magic)
- Life Siphon (Blood Magic)
- Feast of Corruption [Elite] (Curses)
- Rend Enchantments (Curses)
- Spirit of Failure (Inspiration Magic)
- Price of Failure (Curses)
- Inspired Hex (Inspiration Magic)
- Resurrection Signet ()

Monk/Mesmer
Level: 20
Divine Favor: 9 (8+1)
Healing Prayers: 14 (12+2)
Inspiration Magic: 10
- Word of Healing [Elite] (Healing Prayers)
- Orison of Healing (Healing Prayers)
- Infuse Health (Healing Prayers)
- Healing Touch (Healing Prayers)
- Mend Ailment (Protection Prayers)
- Holy Veil (Monk other)
- Inspired Hex (Inspiration Magic)
- Drain Enchantment (Inspiration Magic)

Monk/Necromancer
Level: 20
Divine Favor: 13 (11+2)
Protection Prayers: 11 (10+1)
Blood Magic: 10
- Reversal of Fortune (Protection Prayers)
- Guardian (Protection Prayers)
- Mend Ailment (Protection Prayers)
- Protective Spirit (Protection Prayers)
- Holy Veil (Monk other)
- Offering of Blood [Elite] (Blood Magic)
- Vampiric Gaze (Blood Magic)
- Divine Boon (Divine Favor)

Monk/Necromancer
Level: 20
Divine Favor: 9 (8+1)
Protection Prayers: 14 (12+2)
Blood Magic: 10
- Aegis (Protection Prayers)
- Reversal of Fortune (Protection Prayers)
- Guardian (Protection Prayers)
- Mend Ailment (Protection Prayers)
- Protective Spirit (Protection Prayers)
- Vampiric Gaze (Blood Magic)
- Offering of Blood [Elite] (Blood Magic)
- Holy Veil (Monk other)

Warrior/Necromancer
Level: 20
Strength: 9 (8+1)
Swordsmanship: 16 (12+4)
Tactics: 11 (10+1)
- Sever Artery (Swordsmanship)
- Gash (Swordsmanship)
- Final Thrust (Swordsmanship)
- Savage Slash (Swordsmanship)
- Healing Signet (Tactics)
- Plague Touch (Necromancer Other)
- Frenzy (Warrior other)
- Bull's Charge [Elite] (Strength)

(2nd edit - revised build)
Critical stats:
Assuming AL60 target with 590 health (and war included with final) spike damage is 1081 - so after some DP we can dual spike

Total degen = -12 Not terrific but should keep the HP spammer busy

2 Enchant removal (1 being rend), 4 Hex removal, 4 condition removal (1 plague touch) 2 Snares, 1Hard res, Lots of anti warrior hate and 3 counter spike skills.

JR · Apr 10, 2006, 03:44 PM // 15:44

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

Backstory - I'm trying to come up with a decent build that can kill fairly easily, and has some damage to keep the pressure on in between spikes. I've learned that Dii can't do adrenal spikes easily...I realize wards are not meta-gaming, but truthfully - Dii is not near metagame atm

Here's what I came up with last night:
1)E/Me: Earth 12+4, Illusion 8, ES 10+1
*Ether Prodigy
Obsidian Flame
Ward vs Melee
Ward vs Foe
Distortion
Conjure Phantasm
<blank atm>
Res Sig

Did you see how heavily wards were used in the play-offs? I certainly wouldn't say that they *weren't* metagame. Good character imo.

However, with a spike skill that causes exhaustion and two wards, I would suggest Glyph of Energy instead of Ether Prodigy.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

2)Me/N: Illusion 7+1, Domination 12+4, Blood 10, FC 4+1
*Offering of Blood
Phantom Pain
Shatter Delusions
Conjure Phantasm
Shatter Hex
Distortion
<blank atm>
Res Sig

I would probably drop the Shatter Hex on this guy for Shatter Enchantment, for a decent spike follow-up. Blank slot for Blood Ritual Perhaps? Make more use of the Blood Magic spec.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

3)E/Mo: Air 12+4, ES 8+1, Healing 10
*Ether Prodigy
Blinding Flash
Lightning Surge
Lightning Orb
Windborne Speed
Heal Party
Mend Ailment
Res Sig

I'll assume Lightning Surge was a mistake here, drop that for Lightning Strike for again a bit more spike follow up. Mend Ailment is an odd choice in a build that won't be hugely effected by conditions. I would probably put a hard res there instead, like Rebirth.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

4)N/Me: Inspiration 9, Curses 9+1, Blood 12+4
*Lingering Curse
Rend Enchantment
Price of Failure
Spirit of Failure
Inspired Hex
Vamp Gaze
Life Siphon
Res Sig

This guy is a bit strange. Not really sure what I would do with him.

I would probably try and fit Shadow Strike in there, so you can SS -> Gaze on the spike for a bit more of a punch.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

5)Mo/Me: Divine 8+1, Healing 12+2 (or 12+4), Inspiration 10
*Word of Healing
Dwanya's Kiss
Orison Of Healing
Restore Condition
Holy Veil
Healing Touch
Drain Enchantment
Inspired Hex

Word and Restore? Another dual elite character, gotta watch that

Drop Restore for Mend Ailment. Drop Dwaynas for Infuse Health, to help against spike.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

6)Mo/N: Divine 11+2 (or 11+4), Blood 10, Prot 10+1
*Offering of Blood
Reversal of Fortune
Restore Condition
Guardian
Prot Spirit
Divine Boon
Life Siphon
Vamp Gaze

I'm still a bit edgy about using OoB monks, but they have been used to good effect over the play-offs by a few teams. Life Siphon is going to be too energy intensive for them to get any decent use out of against pressure, drop that. Restore for Mend Ailment.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

7)Mo/N: Prot 12+2 (or 12+4), Blood 10, Divine 8+1
*Offering of Blood
Aegis
Prot Spirit
Guardian
Reversal of Fortune
Blood Ritual
Vamp Gaze
Life Siphon

Same as above. Interesting character though.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

8)W/N: Sword 12+4, Tactics 10+1, Strength 8+1
Final Thrust
Savage Swipe
Sever Artery
Gash
Healing Sig
Plague Touch
Frenzy
*Bulls Charge

In single Warrior builds I prefer Axe. You can build up to spike a lot more frequently.

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Parkerbsb · Apr 10, 2006, 04:16 PM // 16:16

Sigh I need to stop writing builds when I'm mostly asleep

- when I read "interesting build" I hear "utter crap" ... am I being paranoid?

The N/Me is going to be rending at the same time as the spike goes off, so I figured Shadow Strike would hit too late for it to deal more than vamp gaze - also alternating between rend and lingering allows us to spike heavily enchanted teams more often ... not a good idea?

Also when I figured out the spike damage, the warrior was not needed to kill - and we already have DW from the mes so that's why I went sword (he's more for base soloing and aiding in spikes if he's around)

I've re-edited the build with the *correct* skills that were supposed to be in there - sorry for the mistakes
(BTW at work - can't DL programs to the PC's

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JR · Apr 10, 2006, 04:27 PM // 16:27

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

The N/Me is going to be rending at the same time as the spike goes off, so I figured Shadow Strike would hit too late for it to deal more than vamp gaze - also alternating between rend and lingering allows us to spike heavily enchanted teams more often ... not a good idea?

Unless you are facing Bonds/Barriers (which are rare these days) there will undoubtedly be Spike targets with no enchantments on. Or enchantments put on once they realise who is being spiked the Mesmer can Shatter or Drain.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

Also when I figured out the spike damage, the warrior was not needed to kill - and we already have DW from the mes so that's why I went sword (he's more for base soloing and aiding in spikes if he's around)

Fair enough.

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

- when I read "interesting build" I hear "utter crap" ... am I being paranoid?

If I meant utter crap, I would have no hesitation in saying it.

Phoenix Arrows · Apr 10, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

It might be me, but it seems that most Solo-Wars go Sword with something like Sever, Gash, Final, Healing Hands, Healing Breeze, Sprint, and Frenzy or something like that. Bull's Charge will be useless against NPCs, IMO. BTW, Savage Slash takes too long to attack, so I think you would be better off with Distracting Blow.

Blood Ritual on a Monk is...original. Not sure I would do that. Our guild uses Ice Prison instead of Mend Ailment for the flag runner, and I have to say that it works quite well in slowing the other flag runner and helping out the party.

All I can think of for now.

Parkerbsb · Apr 10, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Yeah I agree bulls charge is slightly ~Meh on this build, but I need a cancle stance, and if he does have to go back to the main group he can at least keep someone annoyed. Never been a fan of healing hands on a warrior - heal sig works great as long as you are not under focus fire.

A few more questions (inquiring minds need to know - and I hope my builds are improving somewhat over time!

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If I were to switch out lingering for feast of corruption, and switch curse to 9+1 and blood to 12+4, does that seem to make more sense?

What do people think of etheral burden? I'm worried with the E/Me I won't have enough energy to cast as often as I'd like (blood ritual will help tho) with etheral I could get a little extra energy into the build and keep a warrior slowed making it easier for the monks.

Yeah BR was a little weird on the monk - I've removed it in the newer version of the build (which I'll post in here tomorrow to see if it looks a little more coherent

Seriously thanks for the replies JR and Phoenix

Edit: would I edit the 1st post, or repost it as a new post in the thread? Rules vary from forum to forum

JR · Apr 10, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Parkerbsb

Edit: would I edit the 1st post, or repost it as a new post in the thread? Rules vary from forum to forum

Edit the original, keeps things tidier.