Curse

tomcruisejr · Apr 12, 2006, 03:38 AM // 03:38

Dedicated spirit killing, Snares, Good kiting, E/adrenal denial, Evades/Blocks, Scourge Healing, Corpse control (+profane), Blinds, Good spike-y/maxed degen group offense = dead iway tombs build.

currently, not overpowered. used to be powerful (but still not overpowered).

dgb · Apr 12, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

It's not overpowered, it's just boring as hell. It can be easily beaten if you and your monks understand how it works. But really, seeign IWAY 3/4 battles is just stupid.

Squirrelly · Apr 12, 2006, 04:29 AM // 04:29

I think it's pretty stupid that when making a HA build you HAVE to direct part of it to beating IWAY, but at the same time any team that keep a cool head and knows what to do should have a chance at beating it.

One of the main reasons ppl IWAY to rank 3 is because tombs was/is so elitist. I admit to IWAYing my way to r3 just so I could get into a non IWAY group because I KNOW I can play any profession in the game well but no one will take my word for it till I can flash them that f*cking bambi. When I first started playing this game several months ago I tried to get into groups but it took so long to get a group together only to beaten on the first map everytime that I lost any interest I had for playing in ToPK. Having spent my fair share of time in non ranked IWAY pugs I can say in all honesty that most are pure crap, they do well to reach the third map and farming fame 3 points at a time isn't going to get you ANYWHERE very quickly. It means you have to make 60 runs assuming they win in the first place.

Most people just aren't smart enough to notice that there is a well of xxx in the middle of their ward and they should move. They can't nerf IWAY anymore w/o making the skill completely useless so people may as well just get comfortable with having to allow for IWAY in their builds. I agree with what someone else said that IWAY isn't overpowered just over played.

end rant

boxcarracers052 · Apr 12, 2006, 04:41 AM // 04:41

This thread is filled with those pissed off about being kicked out of IWAY groups for lack of skill, then being beaten in Balanced or spike groups by the team that kicked them. IWAY is NOT overpowered. Overplayed, yes, But easily countered and still requiring skill to be good.

Squirrelly · Apr 12, 2006, 04:42 AM // 04:42

Why do so many people always say that people who IWAY can't run anything else and call them noobs for it?!? If someone always plays a WoH/HP monk in a balanced group does it mean that they can only run that build or make them a noob?!?

He forgot another as well,

5. People who realize it's actually a good build, FotM or not

art_ · Apr 12, 2006, 05:21 AM // 05:21

IWAY isnt overpowered, the ability of edge to amplify regular damage by 100 is.

I honestly believe eoe is broken.

The Fenixxor · Apr 12, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

Whats broken about it

?

Ado · Apr 12, 2006, 09:17 AM // 09:17

Quote:

Originally Posted by Squirrelly

Why do so many people always say that people who IWAY can't run anything else and call them noobs for it?!? If someone always plays a WoH/HP monk in a balanced group does it mean that they can only run that build or make them a noob?!?

Quoted for truth.

I made a similair comment in the thread Tombs Frustration. Since search is off most of the time i'll shortly summarize it.

Rank = time spend in HA with the professions you've played with. If you can speak French, can you automaticly speak German or Russian? I guess not. If u can play mesmer very good, it doesn't mean that you can automaticly play every other profession equally as good, nomatter which rank you have.

About iway, I agree it's overused and it can be very annoying for those who like to play balanced. If so many ppl are playing iway it means less ppl are playing balanced, making it more difficult to get into a balanced group, especially if you're unranked.

But on the other hand, ppl play what they like to play most, you can't force them to play a certain build.

And no, iway isn't overpowered, like every other build, it has advantages and disadvantages. If iway beats balanced, it's usually because the monks aren't doing what they are supposed to do. Or if players dont stay in the wards. And I don't mean that disrespectfull, playing monk is arguably the single most difficult profession to play.

JR · Apr 12, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

General note: Keep the discussion on topic and free of crap, or this will be locked.

Slit Wrists · Apr 12, 2006, 11:02 AM // 11:02

My point is :

Iway was never overpowered but you stands no chance against them if you make a mistake ( not killing spirits, which isn't always that easy, for example ).

If there is any flaw in your build about defense, you used to got screwed before the last update.

Since the update, I never lost to an iway. It's way less powerful than it used to be when those lamers from MATH or any other iway guild used to play it.

And i'm not saying they are lamers cause they run iway, but cause they are noobs using sprint when crippled or eviscerate when blind. GG.

Mister Muhkuh · Apr 12, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

iway is definitely not over powered...
especially coz most of them are PUG-teams :P

Schrale Kerel NL · Apr 12, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

False,
I love playing against iway because it usually is free fame.
People play iway because they got used to it and its easy getting in a party

Corinthian · Apr 12, 2006, 12:33 PM // 12:33

Just like any other group, IWAY can be done well, or badly. Bad IWAY's consist of rankless PUG's. Good groups are experienced players. Some people confuse the two and think it's the same groups they meet. IWAY is a strong and formidable build, and it has it's counters, like everything else. Sooner or later your group will lose to IWAY, not because it is overpowered, but because they were better players.

If you win against bad IWAY, nobody cares. If you lose to good IWAY... ZOMG!!! LAME!!! NURF!!!

Meh.

Nerf IWAY, and see what happens: More EoE bombs, more MF's. In fact, something takes IWAY's place, something simple, which even casual, guildless gamers can take part in.

And FYI, just because you are Blinded doesn't mean you have no chances of hitting.

ayanaftw · Apr 12, 2006, 12:55 PM // 12:55

theres theres the rankless iway, where warriors hit through spiteful and there's the r9+ iways whose trappers just lay spirits and trap in the back

when ever they're about to die they run away to past their past and get healed.
it is the most annoy thing in the world.

Senator Tom · Apr 12, 2006, 01:46 PM // 13:46

no iway is not over powered. its a build just like any other.

Theus · Apr 12, 2006, 01:55 PM // 13:55

False:IWAY isnt overpowered, its simply overused.

Some well placed Wards and a warrior or two to go back and kill the Necromancer usually kills IWAY.

Empirism · Apr 12, 2006, 02:01 PM // 14:01

if so many uses them, how come its not overpowered?...it is encounterable, how come it is overpowered...oh my...confusing

but fact is that it kills variety in HoA

The Fenixxor · Apr 12, 2006, 02:04 PM // 14:04

just because something is overused doesnt make it overpowered. And every build is counterable, so that doesnt really prove anything either.

Corinthian · Apr 12, 2006, 02:51 PM // 14:51

It's overused because it's so easy to start and you have some hope getting past the ghosts. Unlike rankless balanced.

tomcruisejr · Apr 12, 2006, 03:03 PM // 15:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Slit Wrists

And i'm not dayint hey are lamers cause they run iway, but cause they are noobs using sprint when crippled or eviscerate when blind. GG.

offtopic: prenerf - iway used to have 2 r/mes. now build has r/mo with martyr