Curse

xb0vv · Apr 11, 2006, 04:36 PM // 16:36

I am posting this topic because of a recent remark a player made.
He quoted that iway was still too powerful and should be nerfed even more.

My guild is an iway guild, r6++ and we know our stuff about iway - infact weve won halls 14 times this week with iway. But personally i dont think that this means its overpowered. I mean, me and my guildmates know iway inside out, but aparently r3++ teams are beating r6++ balanced everyday,

So is iway still too overpowerd and gradually being used more and more as its so much easier to find a team, or is this bullshit and people are winning with iway simply because they are good?

I need your comments / thoughts pls.

I like myself · Apr 11, 2006, 04:49 PM // 16:49

The problem with IWAY is not that it is so overpowered that it can't be beat, it obviously can, and often (particularly by my groups). The problem is that it is powerful enough that ALL americans run it, and it is all that you see in tombs. IWAY is bound to win halls because thats what all the people that can't run real builds run (80% of the players in the game) and with the skill setup right now, it actually gives bad players a chance to beat good teams, with a build that is so ez to run, a gerbil could do it.

Corinthian · Apr 11, 2006, 04:54 PM // 16:54

Play to win. Why make things harder than they have to be?

SpaceGh057 · Apr 11, 2006, 04:58 PM // 16:58

IWAY is definitely not overpowered...It's just too common.
Nearly every American group runs it to get ranks to get into balanced groups.
These "balanced r6 groups" comprise, more often than not, of those that have IWAY'd to that rank.
They claim that they must be good, how else would they have gotten r6, when all they know is IWAY...
So, it's really not a big deal to have r3 IWAY beat r6 balanced.

As a side note, IWAY is easily defeated, as are spike groups, all you need are people who know the flaws and are able to exploit them.

Divinus Stella · Apr 11, 2006, 04:59 PM // 16:59

I dont know about overpowered, more lame.
Overused is more to the point, if a bunch of noobs play IWAY and a bunch of noobs play a balanced build, the noobs playing iway will win every time as its easy to play, but r6+ IWAY against r6+ balanced i think the balanced will win nearly all the time.

Lykan · Apr 11, 2006, 05:34 PM // 17:34

Not overpowered, but overused is correct.
As is said here.

Quote:

Originally Posted by SpaceGh057

Nearly every American group runs it to get ranks to get into balanced groups.
These "balanced r6 groups" comprise, more often than not, of those that have IWAY'd to that rank.

The problem is once they do get the rank they need to get into a balanced group they realise that they suck at balanced because all they have done is IWAY. Therefore to progress further up the fame ladder they have to go back to IWAY. Hence all the R9 IWAYers and even IWAY guilds, most of these people have no idea how to run a balanced build.

I also believe there was a lot less rank discrimination before IWAY came along and screwed up HoH forever. It was far easier for newbies to get into a ranked pug 6 months ago than it is now..

Until IWAY is totally destroyed HA will always be broken.

JR · Apr 11, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

Just... no.

IWAY is not overpowered. It is over used because of a flaw in the Fame system.

Fame is farmable, the most efficient build to farm it is IWAY and other simmilar gimmick builds. The consequence of this, is Rank being as meaningless as ever.

Untill recently it made use of a number of broken factors in the game, to be more powerfull that it rightfully should be. The HoD helm, the bug with IAS stacking... etc. They have now all been fixed, and IWAY is certainly not overpowered.

Farin · Apr 11, 2006, 05:43 PM // 17:43

I don't think it ever was. More and more people have learned to deal with it and as JR- said, they had some powerful stuff going for them that is now fixed.

icemonkey · Apr 11, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

false IWAY not overpowered.

a coordinated team that adrenaline spikes with IWAY? powerful, but not overpowered

and JR- fame has meaning, by virtue of the way you attained it. If you honestly play a variety of classes and builds to rank 9 you will be a very experienced PvP player. There is a lot more to it than that and most fame is farmed for little actual gain, but just cuz you don't HA doesnt mean fame is meaningless.

The Fenixxor · Apr 11, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

Nothing wrong with IWAY, I'm all for people getting used to playing tombs between ranks 0 - 3, its people who play iway alot after that which rial me... yknow? those kinda guys who form guilds who solely play iway and seem to think theyre great cos they win halls now and then. Those kinda people really get on my nerves.

Divineshadows · Apr 11, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

False. IWAY is not overpowered. The March 2nd update did a good job of reducing its power with correcting known bugs in the game -- 200% increased attack rate, no adrenaline reset on death, pets of dead allies triggering the IWAY skill. Just like any other build the quality of its execution comes down to the skill of its players. All it takes is one bad player in a team that plays like a statue (i.e. does not kite) or one player getting bodyblocked by all the pets and warriors to completely burn through all of the energy of the monks on that team real quick.

mathijn · Apr 11, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

1 good placed SV, trap, blind, emphaty, SS and the IWAY warriors can pack their bags =P

JR · Apr 11, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by icemonkey

If you honestly play a variety of classes and builds to rank 9 you will be a very experienced PvP player.

Agreed, but with so many people purely IWAYing their rank these days it has ruined it.

Yanman.be · Apr 11, 2006, 08:23 PM // 20:23

i think the hardest way to nerf iway was OoV...the tainted necro is either useless, or will keep the warriors from getting health

SpaceGh057 · Apr 11, 2006, 08:26 PM // 20:26

I like the part where I get quoted.

I need to start playing for the Hall again...
Miss the action, guild GvG's though

Draygo Korvan · Apr 11, 2006, 08:31 PM // 20:31

IWAY was alive and kicking for so long that it ruined the whole point of fame and rank. Rank used to give a good indication of skill. Currently it does not, due to the farming.

When fame ment something it was hard to get. You didnt get any fame for winning underworld, and often burial mounds had 2 or more teams that are spamming spirits. You win that 2 hour match for ONE fame. Getting rank 3 back then would be equivilant to getting rank 12 with IWAY now.

That is why Fame is worthless. It is too easy now to get. The only way to fix it would be to reset fame entirely and return the fame system to no fame on win 1, and one fame on win 2 with more than one team on the second match.

I also think fame should be reset once a year anyway.

Draygo Korvan · Apr 11, 2006, 08:39 PM // 20:39

Spirit spamming didnt do any rushing. It is very funny that you even said that.

Sample Attack · Apr 11, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sample Attack

"Nothing wrong with IWAY, I'm all for people getting used to playing tombs between ranks 0 - 3, its people who play iway alot after that which rial me... yknow? those kinda guys who form guilds who solely play iway and seem to think theyre great cos they win halls now and then. Those kinda people really get on my nerves.""

IWAY Def so NOT Overpower,
I Play IWAY here and there , easy to jump into the group. filling in 7/8 group.
I come from CS world, Almost like Random Arena. I don't have lot of patience , waiting around. Plus Don't have a lot of Playing time : (.
It's your Game , you like to Grind your R 12 through IWAYing ? Much Like solo farming, After Awhile it's so boring. most people get to R 9 quick and left the game.
Most fun I have Tombing is with my Guild, winning the hall is AWESOME!
Playing against Valor , Te , IQ monks are always Challenging , Playing different roles , Different builds , GvG ... So Much Fun

Quote:

"Until IWAY is totally destroyed HA will always be broken"

IWAY don't destroy HA , It' just the FOTM.
Much of BLood Spike
B4 IWAY, There was Spirit Spammable, People rush to R 6/9.
So many other things in between. (EoE , MF , Air Spike ) FOTM

The Real Roy Keane · Apr 11, 2006, 08:58 PM // 20:58

IWAY is not- and never was - overpowered. It's just not - and never was - the pathetic, pushover, 'n00bzor' build you'd believ it to be judging by some peoples' misinformed comments.

Devon · Apr 11, 2006, 09:39 PM // 21:39

i think IWAY is a little too overpowered, a lot of people use it to get their rank and fame up quick and easy. personaly i think they should nerf IWAY because it's way too easy and should be more complicated.