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CAT · Apr 21, 2006, 01:21 PM // 13:21

I saw this match last night and noticed they were using the exact same builds, anyone else notice? Metagame ftl

icemonkey · Apr 21, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

blackout spike is the flavor of the month for GvG this season, blame Te for beating Evil with it(well almost)

any team that had some lame gimmick build for the playoffs last season is now running blackout spike(maybe with a few exceptions)

richirich · Apr 21, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

beats EW hex breaker warriors in a hex less metagame :P

JR · Apr 21, 2006, 03:36 PM // 15:36

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Originally Posted by richirich

beats EW hex breaker warriors in a hex less metagame :P

A fairly hex light metagame, yes. However, the hexes that are being used are mainly warrior hate. Shadow of Fear, Faintheartedness, Blurred Vision... Hex Breaker warriors? Not a bad idea.

asdar · Apr 21, 2006, 04:06 PM // 16:06

In one week it's almost a guarantee that you won't see that same build again.

Billiard · Apr 21, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09

I have been seeing more folks running Rifts fastcast air spike as well. While I admit I like running it as well, I was surprised to see our various divisions run into it 4 or 5 times last night (all different teams).

Divineshadows · Apr 21, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

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Originally Posted by CAT

I saw this match last night and noticed they were using the exact same builds, anyone else notice? Metagame ftl

Sure they had the exact same combination of primary and secondary classes for all 8 players. However, there were key differences. iQ was running with one sword and one hammer warrior. Te used two axe warriors. iQ had a crip-shot ranger using dodge while Te's crip shot ranger used storm chaser. There may have been other differences, but these are the ones I noticed.

The similiarities in the their build actually made for a very interesting match and I would qualify this as one of the best matches I have ever observed.

Count to Potato · Apr 21, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

Im a personal fan of Fast Cast Air Spike, works well, my old guild was unlucky enough to go against Te right after season started, we used FCAS and we did well enough

XxForgexX · Apr 21, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

1. having only 1 mesmer is a break from the metagame, as is having a cripshot ranger

2. both teams' warriors are reasonably unique. Te runs Shock/DistractingBlow axes, iQ runs a either a Shock axe or a Shock hammer plus Lara's "Charge!"/Gale sword with no Frenzy swapstance (and usually no rez sig)

3. fastcast airspike isn't Rift's build. they've just run it recently, and to great success

4. a team's success doesn't come from their superior build, it comes from their superior ability to play together, regardless of what build they're running

Billiard · Apr 21, 2006, 06:17 PM // 18:17

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Originally Posted by XxForgexX

3. fastcast airspike isn't Rift's build. they've just run it recently, and to great success

True - but every time I run it people always say "gg Rift" or "way to steal a build from Rift," even though people were playing the same thing last year. I think Rift just popularized it more recently due to their excellent execution.

Just as I am sure no one remembers who really started the current meta-game build, I am sure eventually people will stop identifying fastcast airspike with Rift as well.

Divineshadows · Apr 21, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

Does anyone know how iQ managed to come from behind in this one? They had nearly a complete party wipe early and Te got early morale boosts. Did Te make some tactical errors or was something else at play here?

dansamy · Apr 21, 2006, 09:48 PM // 21:48

For once, NRA isn't running some identical copycat of someone else's build. Yay!!! (Our entire 1st season could've been much better if we had just made our own build.

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Billiard · Apr 21, 2006, 11:36 PM // 23:36

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Originally Posted by dansamy

For once, NRA isn't running some identical copycat of someone else's build. Yay!!! (Our entire 1st season could've been much better if we had just made our own build.

)

Now I can't wait to see what you all are running in observer mode!

Vindexus · Apr 21, 2006, 11:43 PM // 23:43

Only ever complain about a stagnant metagame when it is something lame, like IWAY or the November Spike. If everyone is running builds like this that'd be fine, because the best team will always win.

dansamy · Apr 22, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by Billiard

Now I can't wait to see what you all are running in observer mode!

I will only say that Maya is not monking for our current build. Subject to change of course.

Eonwe · Apr 22, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

We steal builds!

JR · Apr 22, 2006, 04:34 PM // 16:34

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Originally Posted by Eonwe

We steal builds!

I KNEW IT!

Mystic Memory · Apr 22, 2006, 05:24 PM // 17:24

Could anyone tell me what Rifts Fast cast air spike build was

? I rarely observe these days and it sounds interesting

moriz · Apr 22, 2006, 05:46 PM // 17:46

sounds like Me/E with fast casting using lightning orb-->lightning strike as their spike chain.

Billiard · Apr 22, 2006, 06:04 PM // 18:04

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Originally Posted by Mystic Memory

Could anyone tell me what Rifts Fast cast air spike build was

? I rarely observe these days and it sounds interesting

Me/Ele with Orb/Strike as main damage, Enervating as additional damage and cover for Blinding Flash, Dual Attunements for energy management, Gale for interrupts and snares, res sig. Probably there are many variants by now, but when we are training folks we keep it simple with 5 identical Me/Eles, 2 Mo/Me boon prots, and an E/Mo runner. It's quick to set up and run even with new folks, splits sufficiently well, and if executed well has a good chance to win against a lot of different builds. A major weakness though is enchantment removal as e-man is pretty critical for frequent spiking.