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Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 01:08 AM // 01:08

Hi, I'm fairly new to PvP and I'd like to start working at it and improve my PvP skills.

What I'm loooking for is someone or a group of people perhaps to work with me and help me to advance in PvP, particularly HA.

I'm on a lot, ususally 2-4 hours per day in the evening (eastern time). I'm a hard worker, I listen and take constructive criticism very well.

I have a Wa/*, E/*, N/*, and Mo/*. All are PvE characters with sufficient skill points to buy/cap any skills necessary. I also have enough cash to buy perfect items as needed. Most of the items I have already are perfect and some are unique (not available to a pvp character at creation)

I'm quite patient and willing to go through whatever it takes to learn the ropes.

So if you are interested in working with a relatively new PvPer who has a great desire to work with you, please leave a message here or PM me.

I look foward to it.

IGN: Rhuobhe Man Slayer

The Noble Savage · Apr 24, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

Ill give u one clue... delete a character to make a pvp character slot....or buy a new account.

cerb · Apr 24, 2006, 02:48 PM // 14:48

Your best teacher is experience

Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 03:48 PM // 15:48

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Noble Savage

Ill give u one clue... delete a character to make a pvp character slot....or buy a new account.

Well on Friday I will have 2 more slots, of which at least 1 will be reserved for pvp.

Experience will only get you so far, with rank descrimination and the hours it can take to make a group, it is also quite difficult to get any meaningful experience.

I'll continue to teach myself until someone works with me, if that ever happens at all.

axe · Apr 24, 2006, 04:15 PM // 16:15

Im in the same boat as you Rhuobhe, I am in a guild of friends which has pretty much left PVP alone. I dont want to join a different guild but I would like to earn a rank. My problems are, rank discrimination, No TS or Vent, 56K, I can only play online for maybe 2 hours at a time and maybe 3 times a week. I am an extremely casual gamer that would like some of the high level PVP rewards (namely the chest in HOH)

I am more interested in getting a circle of friends with similar activity level as myself to go give HA a try maybe twice a week.

For those of you that dont read the PVE portions on this forum Rhuobhe is one of the most credible contributors and if you take him under your wing you will not be disappointed.

Good luck to you on finding a teacher, I wish I could help

dansamy · Apr 24, 2006, 04:19 PM // 16:19

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Noble Savage

Ill give u one clue... delete a character to make a pvp character slot....or buy a new account.

Fully prepped PvE characters > PvP-only characters due to the abundance of PvE items that are better than their PvP-creation screen counterparts. So, ignore ^ that guy.

1st, make sure all of your PvE characters have completed all of the secondary class change quests and have access to all 5 secondary professions.

Secondly, outfit your warrior with max dmg 15^50% weaponry of all three types. Crafters, collectors, upgrades and greens can assist you in this endeavor, but it's still going to be very expensive. Afterwards, outfit your casters with weapons from the lines you'll use most often. Ele: Air, Water, Earth. Monk: Healing, Protection. Necro: Curses, Blood. You can acquire weaponry for the other lines later and as you need them. They are used in PvP, just very rarely.

If you are truly an absolute beginner, you may want to consider joining Xen of Onslaught's training. There really aren't many guilds in GW PvP that have their focal point on training like XoO does. I'm sure you can locate their website via a google search.

(<---BIG frickin hint, in case you couldn't tell!)

I do not advise IWAYing it up to rank 3 or 6 as that greatly limits your knowledge base to one build and its tactics. It will, however, let you view each of the maps in the ascent to the Hall of Heroes and give you a look at the objective for each one.

Yanman.be · Apr 24, 2006, 04:32 PM // 16:32

A pvp char is not about the items they can have, but about the things you can do with them...right now you can't play Rangers or Mesmers...2 good pvp classes. Or you need to roll as a necro with 105 hp...or something else odd....well....1 pvp slot> 4 pve chars,
but 3 perfect pve's ( w and mo etc. ) + 1 pvp > 1 fully unlocked pvp account

dansamy · Apr 24, 2006, 05:10 PM // 17:10

Quote:

Originally Posted by Yanman.be

A pvp char is not about the items they can have, but about the things you can do with them...right now you can't play Rangers or Mesmers...2 good pvp classes. Or you need to roll as a necro with 105 hp...or something else odd....well....1 pvp slot> 4 pve chars,
but 3 perfect pve's ( w and mo etc. ) + 1 pvp > 1 fully unlocked pvp account

He's going to get 2 more slots with Factions in 4 days. At this point, there is absolutely NO good reason for him to delete one of his PvE characters.

Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 05:15 PM // 17:15

Ok thanks for the replies everyone, and thank you for your comment axe.

I'll also add that I've been prepping for PvP in factions - all runes and weapon mods are unlocked. Almost all skills are unlocked as well.

As far as weapons are concerned I have 15^50 & 15% stance/enchant axes and swords with fortitude pomels/grips and a Victo's Bulwark & Tanzit's defender, amongst many other shields. I have some nice unique monk and necro items too.

Like I said the #1 thing I'm looking forward to this Friday is the PvP slot. The content is just icing on the cake

M3lk0r · Apr 24, 2006, 05:41 PM // 17:41

Yea, I was in the same boat as many here. Guild does little or no PvP, rank 0 and no ranked-up firends.

First step is to know whats popular. Its popular because it works, or provides decent results while being easy to play. Get to know what people are looking for in those popular fotm builds. This is a good place to find out exact builds.
Second is to get required skills and items, that meant changing secondary profession for my war and getting a certain req 5 Air Focus outside nolani or someplace. Yup the old Gale war!
3rd is experience with EVERYTHING. I really reccomend that you try every possible fotm you can join. Learn to play as many builds as possible so that even if one fotm gets hit by the nerf bat, you are not left useless. Before I got my bambi, I had tried everything from vimway to RSpike, MF to balanced and many many more. Yes a lot them sucked and didnt get me much fame, but I knew how they worked. So I used this information the next time I fought against them, and people saw that I knew what I was talking about.
So yes, play IWAY, atleast once to know why it so dangerous. Blindly sending a war to "kill spirits" may leave him over-extending while he faces a trap spike, you need to move as a team. You must know how to play as a monk to play as a decent surger, etc.

Anywas, best of luck :-)

art_ · Apr 24, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

My tips:

Ignore HA. It is a joke. What i mean is basically don't moan about IWAY or Necro Spike or Ranger Spike etc being the fotm and the only ones that anyone plays, because thats not going to change. Imo IWAY wins because it is the perfect pressure build for the tombs setting. Without balances eventually IWAY would lose its stigma and the metagame would change to reflect this, however with factions around the corner it could change things significantly.

I would say your best bet is to join a pvp guild and practise gvging, whilst observing the top guilds on observer mode. You will make contacts which you can use later for guesting which may in turn lead to you joining more successful guilds. I also agree that XoO are a good choice if possible; they have a good reputation for helping new pvpers.
PuGing HA is a very slow way of starting pvp

PS: Echoing what the below poster has said, play all builds, dont be put off by their stigma. If you play all the fotms, you will know how they work and how to defeat them. Try not to end up only playing one build though, as its boring and will gain you a reputation as being pretty one dimensional.

nohooiam · Apr 24, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

best bet is to join xoo (or some other huge guild) and play pvp often.

play anything and everything. dont complain about having to play fotm. play time means experience, and in this game, pvp experience is EVERYTHING.

Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

Thanks but joining another guild is not an option. I'm in a great guild with a strong sense of community. This is where all of my friends are, and for these reasons leaving is not an option.

The guild is mostly pve players though so I'm trying to learn as much as I can about high level pvp and bring it back to the guild eventually, trying to spark some interest.

DreadWizardDM · Apr 24, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

I think ALOT of people are in that same boat. The biggest key at your disposal is TS or Vent. With good communication comes good results.

Tips:
1. Dont hangout with rage quitters
2. Try and find a group of people to do pvp twice a week with on a set schedule with ts or vent.
3. Join the above mentioned guild.
4. Take time and study the maps.

Side note: HA is TOTALLY different than gvg, I know rank 9 people who know next to nothing about gvg and have met people in top 200 guilds who dont know HA. Rank is not everything in the game, there are people out there who are rank1 but are actually VERY good HA players who are shot down for groups due to low rank.

Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 07:38 PM // 19:38

Quote:

Originally Posted by DreadWizardDM

I think ALOT of people are in that same boat. The biggest key at your disposal is TS or Vent. With good communication comes good results.

Tips:
1. Dont hangout with rage quitters
2. Try and find a group of people to do pvp twice a week with on a set schedule with ts or vent.
3. Join the above mentioned guild.
4. Take time and study the maps.

Side note: HA is TOTALLY different than gvg, I know rank 9 people who know next to nothing about gvg and have met people in top 200 guilds who dont know HA. Rank is not everything in the game, there are people out there who are rank1 but are actually VERY good HA players who are shot down for groups due to low rank.

1. I think by the very virtue of what a rage quitter is I won't be hanging around with them too much, even if I wanted to :P
2. Working on that now
3. No can do - guild = family
4. Will study, elevation, bridges, bottle necks, alters etc.

GvG is something that I cannot ask for outside help on - at least not the same way which I am asking for help in HA. It's somewhat of a personal thing - our guild will get into it when we do, not going to rush it or force it on anyone.

EDIT: For the record I have TS and will be downloading vent tonight

Cartoonhero · Apr 24, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

HA can be very frustrating, trust me, i know. And, dont worry about your guild. Stay with what you like. Im in a HUGE guild, and there just arent that many HA players in it. GvG is where i learned pvp in my guild. Ts and
Vent are a great asset. If you do pug in HA, request a team with Ts or Vent, usually goes alot better. Good tip from the person above me, 'Avoid rage quitters,' it just makes things that much more frustrating. I know its hard to keep your patience sometimes(like the time i ended up with an ele/war that had firestorm and sever artery

). But anyways. I'd be up to monking with you in HA, I also do ele alot. just give me a pm in game(see under avatar

). anywho, just dont give up, its a slow process without a set group to get with, but, just start building your friends list. If you meet a good player that seems to play HA alot, add them. You'll eventually have enough contacts to do decently in HA

Sample Attack · Apr 24, 2006, 08:13 PM // 20:13

Imo if you don't have the Guild involvement , you are losing the sight of GvG where everything is base on PvP aspect.
I test out my build in RA, TA. HA is good for 8 team practice fame and sigils ( drops ) ..
GvG is in the end where I want to be.

I agreee Guild = Friend ( family )
and Guild suppose to be do things together.
If you are off doing PvP , when your friends are doing PvE.
Imo You don't belong in the Guild, it's not healthy for your friends and you.
Even though we are PvP Guild, we do FoW, UW sometimes , but we do as A guild or two men run, 5 men run etc...

icemonkey · Apr 24, 2006, 08:16 PM // 20:16

I'll give you the best advice, you don't even want to take it, but you should. Leave your guild and join an active PvP guild. Xoo sounds like a great option, but I have no first hand experience with them.

And don't spout this can't leave my guild nonsense, In fact since yer family is in guild this is even easier. You won't get away from them. You put them on friends list and play with them whenever you want, you really never left, just changed guilds. Consider it like going to college, you have to leave home to go to college and you will learn something for doing it. Besides its very unlikely that your guild/family is made up of players that are disposed to play PvP. Its a different game and something many poeple will never like or get good at.

If you really want to get good at PvP you have to get out there into the PvP community, play with them make connections learn the lay of the land, which means you need to play with a variety of experienced players and you will learn from them.

Otherwise start recruiting people into guild that want to do PvP too and you can PvP with people in guild.

You HAVE to break out of yer PvE shell and enter the world of PvP

you really aren't looking for a teacher you are looking for no less than 7 teachers. And most PvP players aren't interested in letting an admitted "PvE noob" into their team if they are interested in winning. The best way to find that situation is to find a guild that is active in PvP.

If you aren't willing to leave your guild you really aren't interested in being good at PvP, let go of this desire.

Rhuobhe · Apr 24, 2006, 08:51 PM // 20:51

My guild has people that want to PvP. But almost never enough for a team of 8.

Guild is not equal to real family, just friends. Friends from a community outside of GW. I'll have more fun chatting in guild chat with them than I would 1 on 1 via the friends window.

I guess what you say is true - why would anyone want to take a admitted pvp noob under their wing. Instead take a chance with a PUG who has a deer or even a wolf - one that was earned perhaps through IWAY or paying for fame farming services.

I guess that's always an option (although one I refuse to take atm) - Pay someone to power rank me to r6. Then I could have the whole HA community fooled.

It seems that a hard working willing to learn self admitted pvp noob is less sought after than someone who paid for their fame and infact also just a pvp noob. Sad, really..

But I digress.

icemonkey · Apr 25, 2006, 02:29 AM // 02:29

If someone paid for their fame they will be found out very quickly and kicked from the team. The thing is, people aren't in HA to teach people how to play, they are there to compete, specifically to win.

You have to consider what is the teacher getting out of the situation, you admitted you want to go back to your guild and teach them the art of PvP, so you basically want all the knowledge but no strings attatched. I suppose you can offer friendship, and that is a valuable thing, but no offense everyone's got friends, and if a person is good at HA they have plenty of friends.

But even if there are a few people interested in PvP in your guild, get them together do something together even TA if you ahve to. Play with random people that are LFG and add them to friends list if you enjoy playing with them. Eventually you can add these people to your guild and build up enough for you to PvP regularly and you can all learn together. Thats how everyone else did it. Get into a situation where you will play with a group of like minded people interested in PvP, whether its thru guild or friends list.

also don't forget that observer mode can teach you alot, remember to try to find out why people are doing what they are doing, not just what they are doing