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Jun 08, 2006, 06:32 AM // 06:32	#1
Vindexus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: www.talkingtonoobs.com Guild: Final Dynasty	Dual Surge/Smite http://www.gwshack.us/2b924

Jun 08, 2006, 11:26 AM // 11:26	#2
Ruben Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2006	Looks like a nice build. Who is the second smiter supposed to smite?

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Jun 08, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Looks like a nice build.
Who is the second smiter supposed to smite?

The SB/Infuse, obviously.

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Jun 09, 2006, 01:21 AM // 01:21	#4
Ruben Lion's Arch Merchant Join Date: Mar 2006	Makes sense. I'll try to run this, looks very effective.

Jun 09, 2006, 01:39 AM // 01:39	#5
Vindexus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: www.talkingtonoobs.com Guild: Final Dynasty	I was joking, he smites off the warrior. It's the two mesmer diversioning, shaming, burning and surgin the monks, while the Warrior runs around hitting their soft targets with near constant Balths Aura and some decent Zealot's Fire damage. The enemy monks should crack fairly soon.

Jun 09, 2006, 02:02 AM // 02:02	#6
Wasteland Squidget I'm back? Join Date: Sep 2005 Location: Here. Guild: Delta Formation [DF] Profession: W/E	Why do you have two copies of Unnatural Signet? I think something like Blackout or Cry Of Frustration could serve your mesmers better, with the number of spikes in Tombs. Otherwise, looks good.

Jun 09, 2006, 03:42 AM // 03:42	#7
Clinically Proven Krytan Explorer Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: Australia Guild: [MMAD]	I have to agree with Squidgey, loose one of the unnaturals for a cry. Other than that, it looks nasty, might have to give it a run over the weekend

Jun 09, 2006, 05:22 AM // 05:22	#8
Vindexus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: www.talkingtonoobs.com Guild: Final Dynasty	Yeah, it was supposed to be CoF on one of them, my bad.

Jun 09, 2006, 08:01 AM // 08:01	#9
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	2 smiters, one warrior does not make sense, and if you do that then you might as well drop the air of enchantment from one smiter, but even then thats not the most effective thing as you could have a water ele and snare down the target for a balanced group you are very thin on interrupts with 5 monks surely the warrior doesnt need plague touch should bring shock or distracting blow for ghost, i would also switch out bulls strike for irresistable your infuser build cant even heal himself

Jun 09, 2006, 08:18 AM // 08:18	#10
kilika829 Banned Join Date: Jul 2005	Even with 2 smite hexes, you'll need veil for migrainers and degen

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Jun 09, 2006, 09:12 AM // 09:12

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your infuser build cant even heal himself

That's what the other Monks are there for.

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Jun 09, 2006, 05:25 PM // 17:25

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2 smiters, one warrior does not make sense, and if you do that then you might as well drop the air of enchantment from one smiter, but even then thats not the most effective thing as you could have a water ele and snare down the targeted.

Disagree on 2 smiters one warrior not making sense. Agree that a water ele could also be useful. Any snares synergize extremely well with smite.

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for a balanced group you are very thin on interrupts
with 5 monks surely the warrior doesnt need plague touch should bring shock or distracting blow for ghost

Agree 100%.

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i would also switch out bulls strike for irresistable

Disagree.

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your infuser build cant even heal himself

Does not matter, though I would switch out heal other or healing whisper for heal party cause two copies of heal party keeps the health high (which keeps your team functioning better) and improves the energy effiency of the backline as whole.

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Even with 2 smite hexes, you'll need veil for migrainers and degen

6 hex removal skills (3 inspired, 2 smite, 1 veil) is already too many IMO even though they are all single hex removals. It is better to prevent than to react, which is why I think this build would do better with heavier disruption/interrupts as others have suggested. Interrupt their migraines and diversion their conjures and you end up with a severely gimped opponent (especially so if they were foolish enough to load their bar with interrupts and cannot land them without migraine).

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Jun 09, 2006, 07:34 PM // 19:34	#13
Vindexus Wilds Pathfinder Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: www.talkingtonoobs.com Guild: Final Dynasty	Monks != Condition removal. Condition removal = Condition removal. You can't just look at the professions and say "hey, there are 5 monks, he must have a sh*tload of condition removal!" If you look at the build it has a Restore and Mend Ailment. Shock probably wouldn't be bad. Could take out a Veil for a Mend on one of the monks.

Jun 09, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45	#14
Jiao Yang Lunar Rabbit Join Date: Dec 2005	Since this is a half smite build, and the warrior is there to run around and pressure monks, in my opinion it would be far more effective to use an axe W/E using 12 air magic and conjure instead of the 13 strength. This way, there will be more dps, since strength doesnt actually effect your output when you are not using a skill. You will gain +13 damage from having 12 air magic. Also, it has already been pointed out that the use of shock and distracting blow would be very effective on alter matches since you have a lack of alter matches. -Jiao

Jun 09, 2006, 08:05 PM // 20:05	#15
Zui Desert Nomad Join Date: Mar 2006 Guild: The Benecia Renovatio [RenO] Profession: Mo/	Jiao, Hammers knock people down. Knockdown keeps people from moving or casting. This is good with smite, since people will kite you(good people would pre-kite/kite you anyway.. But this is HA, and even scrubs kite against smiting teams). This helps you get maximum milage out of your smiting. Hammer have a higher DPS than axes too... Don't say things like "it would be far more effective to use an axe W/E using 12 air magic and conjure instead of the 13 strength. This way, there will be more dps." The math on actual damage per second with IAS and without IAS is clear. Hammer without IAS is about 30 damage per second. Axe is about 27. Hammer with IAS is about 44 damage per second. Axe is about 40 damage per second. The DPS from shock is negligible. Using shock will also make you miss at least one swing from your axe... So the added DPS is extremely small. Conclusion is hammers have better pressure, not only do you have higher DPS, you also have knockdown which turns up the pressure(and maximises the effect from smiting).

Jun 09, 2006, 08:24 PM // 20:24	#16
TheOneMephisto Forge Runner Join Date: Nov 2005	I like it. I would agree with getting a snare or two in there, but it looks pretty tight. I was thinking about adding a deep freeze on the Me/E though. I also totally agree with more interrupts. You can NEVER have too many interrupts.

Jun 09, 2006, 08:43 PM // 20:43	#17
Jiao Yang Lunar Rabbit Join Date: Dec 2005	@Zui You didnt take into account the +13 damage that comes from Conjure Lighting when you have 12 air mastery. So then: Hammer without IAS is about 30 damage per second. Axe is about 40. Hammer with IAS is about 44 damage per second. Axe is about 53 damage per second. ALSO: You will have 4 stength aswell, which will affect the dps a bit too You will have +15% damage if you have a (while enchanted) axe, which will add 8 dmg with IAS and 6 without it. I have to agree with on the knockdown advantages of a hammer, but you are using shock, along with stoneskin gauntlets. Shock take 10 seconds to recharge- it could take this amount of time to build up the adrenaline for a knockdown with a hammer. -Jiao

Jun 09, 2006, 09:03 PM // 21:03	#18
audioaxes Jungle Guide Join Date: May 2005	theres still much more efficient ways of distributing your dps than having two smiters on 1 warrior and yes a woh should be able to heal the sb/infuse but HA isnt that predictable. With heal other, dwaynas kiss, and heal whisper surely you could drop one so the 2nd healer can help save himself

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Jun 09, 2006, 10:30 PM // 22:30

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You didnt take into account the +13 damage that comes from Conjure Lighting when you have 12 air mastery.

Hello, my name is enchantment removal. Have fun with the 60s recharge.

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Jun 10, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

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Hello, my name is enchantment removal. Have fun with the 60s recharge.

Normally I would agree, but since he has two smiters spamming AE, Guardian and RoF on him, his Conjure isn't likely to be removed.

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