Curse

Irongate · Jun 14, 2006, 08:38 AM // 08:38

What is it with Guild Wars now?

The whole PvP thing has gone to crap. There are so many degen skills that when you walk into battle you are lucky if you can even reach the other party before you (or they) are dead! Is that what PvP is meant to be all about? Who can cast degen the fastest! What a dumb game!

What happened to using skills in fighting, better attacks at the rear, aiming attacks, combinations etc... At least before factions degen worked in harmony with fighting. There are so many degen skills now and they are so strong that this is all PvP has become, lots of degen skills, what fun.

Start of game --> cast degen, cast degen, cast degen, cast degen, win/lose.

Boring!!! C'mon Anet, is this really how you intended GW to be played?

JR · Jun 14, 2006, 08:56 AM // 08:56

'Degen' is just one type of build used in PvP, there are plenty of others you have obviously yet to encounter.

I am sorry, but don't take your lack of experience and skill out on Anet. Simmilarly; don't talk about things you obviously know little about.

Yanman.be · Jun 14, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

If you can't handle degen, 2 things: Why are you losing? ( Solve it ), and Why are you complaining? ( It's a good standard GW mechanism IMO )

Zui · Jun 14, 2006, 09:06 AM // 09:06

The OP is right, there are too many hexes, conditions, attacks, and spells that do damage too. Nerf plz.

/sarcasam off

Matsumi · Jun 14, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13

What I do when degen starts getting me down... Hamstorm!

hamstring+firestorm

Gets em everytime

SAQ · Jun 14, 2006, 09:29 AM // 09:29

OP must be pretty new or not very good at adapting in PvP...

OP you can counter and help the team out by bringing... reveal hex, inspire hex, expel hex (to name a few) to help your team out.. and gg for your team... LOL

RTSFirebat · Jun 14, 2006, 09:34 AM // 09:34

Learn to counter Degen... for example Troll Urgent does wonders against Degen of all kinds.

makosi · Jun 14, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

Degen isn't such a bad thing in PvP - its a nuisance but at least it has its counters and you just need to come more prepared for it. A month of go it was the complete opposite because whoever could spike the fastest won - pretty much.

kvndoom · Jun 14, 2006, 09:42 AM // 09:42

JR's avatar kicks ass.

People play to win. Yes there are a ton of degen hexes, but everything has a counter. If degen has you down, just max out Wilderness Survival and bring Melandru's Resilience, at least until you can make a better strategy. Or bring Purge Signet, get 5 or 6 hexes on you and then dump them all at once. Or maybe you'll have a noob monk who uses Shield of Regeneration for his elite. Yeah, that'll save you.

Snowman · Jun 14, 2006, 09:56 AM // 09:56

Quote:

Originally Posted by JR-

I am sorry, but don't take your lack of experience and skill out on Anet. Simmilarly; don't talk about things you obviously know little about.

I'd have to agree.. this thread is just a flame target.

Spikes have ZERO degen, and they just as popular if not more..

Balanced, has a mix of everything.. very very popular in Gvg

Dual smite, no degend here either, just tons and tons of damage.

Pressure Build, does have alot degen but also has AoE.

ViM Build, probably the most amount of degen but isnt that popular.

Bunny Thumpers, has a small amount of degen but is mainly melee damage.

IWAY... the KING of popular builds.. may feature a trap or two, certainly NOT degen.

Conclusion, OP is an idiot.. or a noob.. probably both.

Numa Pompilius · Jun 14, 2006, 10:08 AM // 10:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Irongate

The whole PvP thing has gone to crap. There are so many degen skills that when you walk into battle you are lucky if you can even reach the other party before you (or they) are dead! Is that what PvP is meant to be all about? Who can cast degen the fastest! What a dumb game!

Anyone else see the RA lone Wammo using sprint to outrun his teammates and get to the waiting (and salivating) enemy necros, mesmers and rangers first?

I've dubbed that sprint "the suicide run", and I've seen it one time too many.

Quote:

What happened to using skills in fighting, better attacks at the rear, aiming attacks, combinations etc... At least before factions degen worked in harmony with fighting. There are so many degen skills now and they are so strong that this is all PvP has become, lots of degen skills, what fun.

While I too would like tactics to matter more, and while I too would like Guildwars to be more Counterstrike: Fantasy than Magic The Gathering: 3D, I have to say that the biggest threat to warriors have always been degen, and facing multiple necros, mesmers etc alone have always been suicide for warriors.

Quote:

Boring!!! C'mon Anet, is this really how you intended GW to be played?

I think they didn't envision your warrior to take on multiple casters alone. I think they rather expected you to have backup.

KvanCetre · Jun 14, 2006, 11:20 AM // 11:20

I don't use a degen build.
I have gone entire alliance battles without a death, while still capping plenty of points.

Waaah Waah too much degen

vaxmor · Jun 14, 2006, 11:45 AM // 11:45

we need to nerf hexes and conditions immediately, too many W/MOs are being pwned in RA.

Navaros · Jun 14, 2006, 11:47 AM // 11:47

Degen hexes are definitely overpowered and always have been in my view, as have hexes in general, seeing as it's a lot easier to put nasty hexes on in a heated battle than it is to take them off.

However, degen is not "new" and when more people realize how overpowered it is, it will just become more and more common.

/agree that degen hexes should be nerfed and/or hex counter abilities should be buffed (ie: let you choose which hex to remove from someone).

makosi · Jun 14, 2006, 12:26 PM // 12:26

Quote:

Originally Posted by Navaros

Degen hexes are definitely overpowered and always have been in my view, as have hexes in general, seeing as it's a lot easier to put nasty hexes on in a heated battle than it is to take them off.

However, degen is not "new" and when more people realize how overpowered it is, it will just become more and more common.

/agree that degen hexes should be nerfed and/or hex counter abilities should be buffed (ie: let you choose which hex to remove from someone).

Yes, because casters haven't been nerfed enough. /endsarcasm

Hexing and degen is fine and has never been a serious problem. The problem is that people use the same monk builds in places like HA (WoH, SB/Infuser and Prot or Bonder) and that doesn't allow much flexiblity. Whats wrong with mesmers taking Shatter Hex, Hex Breaker or Inspired Hex? No, it must be the cookie-cutter E-Surger or Migraine mesmer these days. Perhaps its the players that need nerfed.

KamikazeChicken · Jun 14, 2006, 12:30 PM // 12:30

Pfft! There's bigger fish to fry than degen. Armor is overpowered, and everyone should be naked in GvG!

/end sarcasm

Unlucky Slayer · Jun 14, 2006, 12:46 PM // 12:46

I just nerf'd my life yesterday! I was too overpowered...

ThePadawan · Jun 14, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

8 Tainteds vs. 8 B-Spikers

The battle of the Necros. Who wins?

Divinus Stella · Jun 14, 2006, 12:57 PM // 12:57

I know whats wrong here, the OP has been playing IWAY and feels that every loss if because the opposing team is lame and imba and that his build is the true definition of fairplay.

Metanoia · Jun 14, 2006, 01:19 PM // 13:19

If, in a game of Rock-Paper-Scissors, Jill keeps chosing Rock and beats your Scissors. Do you:

a) Nerf Rock so that Scissors beats Rock.
b) Choose Rock, too.
c) Choose Paper, which beats Rock.