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Jun 16, 2006, 03:53 AM // 03:53

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Criminally Sane

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Originally Posted by Manic Smile

d00d! there should be naked guild ladders...where the whole team fights nude...

You sure you're not just saying that because you want a nude observer mode? <.<

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Jun 16, 2006, 04:47 AM // 04:47	#122
Sagius Truthbarron Desert Nomad Join Date: Jun 2005 Guild: Animal Factory [ZoO] Profession: A/	Playing GvG or HA? Heal Party! Random Arena? Mending for the win!

Jun 16, 2006, 05:40 AM // 05:40	#123
Shoitaan Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Mar 2006 Location: Australia Guild: Tuskforce Supremacy [Tusk] Profession: Me/N	May 2005 the OP originally joined apparently... so.. OP.. 1) left the game, came back, got pwnt 2) new to PvP 3) is a wammo that had a sudden spectacular losing streak to casters whatever the reason Degen is fine worry about the touchers more

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Jun 16, 2006, 06:46 AM // 06:46

#124

Doomlord_Slayermann

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Originally Posted by Shoitaan

Degen is fine worry about the touchers more

Um, is it just me, or is the Touch Ranger becoming the new IWAY where, yes, it may be a tad overpowered, but it's not really that great, just popular with n00bs and gets whined about by people who cant think strategically?

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Jun 16, 2006, 08:49 AM // 08:49

#125

JR

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

Um, is it just me, or is the Touch Ranger becoming the new IWAY where,

No.

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

yes, it may be a tad overpowered,

No.

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

but it's not really that great,

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

just popular with n00bs

Yes.

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Originally Posted by Doomlord_Slayermann

and gets whined about by people who cant think strategically?

Exactly.

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Jun 16, 2006, 08:58 AM // 08:58

#126

Avarre

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I'm impressed that JR just summarized several hundred+ post threads with 5 words.

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Originally Posted by Shoitaan

3) is a wammo that had a sudden spectacular losing streak to casters

Fort Aspenwood is a rather harsh reminder to PvE wammos that they don't really understand PvP xD

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Jun 16, 2006, 09:28 AM // 09:28	#127
torquemada Krytan Explorer Join Date: Feb 2006 Guild: guildless	I really really can't believe you're discussing anti-degen tactics here because someone screamed NERF IT ... I seriously suspect JR is keeping such threads open for "Threads of Hilarity" reference...

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Jun 16, 2006, 09:48 AM // 09:48

#128

Numa Pompilius

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Originally Posted by heavyduty

Speaking for RA, problem is that it's too easy to degen and cripple/slow warriors essentially nulling them throughout the whole ordeal.

Try playing a mesmer or necro WITHOUT bringing any degen or cripple/slow against warriors. That cripple/slow is all squishies have to keep them from getting slaughtered by warriors, and degen is the only way they can do decent damage against warriors.
By asking for nerf of cripple/slow/degen, you're actually asking necros and mesmers to stand still, do nothing, and let you kill them.

Seriously, would everyone who's complained about degen being overpowered please, with sugar on top, create a degen necro or mesmer and try it out in random arena *before* continuing this discussion?

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Jun 16, 2006, 12:04 PM // 12:04	#129
LightningHell (屮ಠ益ಠ)屮 Join Date: Aug 2005 Location: Hong Kong Guild: Guildless Profession: Mo/	Man, this is quite the hilarious-ness. If anything, nerf me. (Heal Party FTW.)

Jun 16, 2006, 12:25 PM // 12:25	#130
minor Frost Gate Guardian Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: In da islands mon	wow such nice people all around Honestly what we have here is a failure to communicate!! So to sum it up. IN the very crazy RA setting degen hexes is pwning someone. No matter what you take to Ra there will be builds that counter you. In Ra you can't counter everthing sorry. Honestly though its simply the nature of Ra that will run into a build that owns you since one player can't do everthing( damage, healing, interupts). Thats Ra no nerf will fix it. In the gvg and HA setting degen hexes are not anymore of a threat then anything else. 2 different settings 2 different viewpoints. .

Jun 16, 2006, 03:25 PM // 15:25	#131
Doomlord_Slayermann Jungle Guide Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: Chicago IL Guild: Dark Phoenix Risin [DPR] Profession: W/P	From JR-'s response, let me rephrase. By Touch Rangers being the new IWAY, I meant in the specific ways I stated, and by overpowered I meant too easy for an idiot to play, i.e. ArenaNet could tweak the build so that it requires at least a shred of competence to use.

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Jun 16, 2006, 05:12 PM // 17:12

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Divineshadows

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Originally Posted by Dark Saga

Seems like a good way to look at it. Warriors are the easiest target to shutdown, on the other hand, those shutdowns are probably the easiest to counter... with a monk.

No, a monk alone is not enough to keep a warrior clean. That responsibility falls primarily upon the other non-monk and non-warrior members of the team. Unfortunately, you're talking about RA here where almost nobody ever thinks to bring a draw conditions or a fast cast remove hex or expel hexes or heck even just a simple inspired hex.

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Originally Posted by Dark Saga

Warriors need to be easily shut down though as they have the best damage over a prolonged time and can outdamage almost any caster pretty fast unless they are - shutdown.

Indeed, which is why smart teams go through the effort of keeping their warrior clean.

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Jun 16, 2006, 05:31 PM // 17:31	#133
Sacho Academy Page Join Date: May 2006 Profession: Mo/Me	It's not that warriors are easy to shutdown, it's that people bring alot of counters to warriors because they're one of the two classes worth shutting down

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Jun 16, 2006, 06:33 PM // 18:33

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JR

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Originally Posted by torquemada

I seriously suspect JR is keeping such threads open for "Threads of Hilarity" reference...

Not really. Every thread in Gladiators that is full of as much garbage as this one is just another stab at the effort I have tried to put in to improving the knowledge of this comminty.

And so it ends.

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