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just call me jimmy · May 28, 2006, 08:17 PM // 20:17

Want to know everyone thoughts on EW's build. (The one that uses no skill except Teamspeak)

Well I guess you knwo were I stand, love to hear everyone elses thought.

PS. Great job IB for given it a good try on the last match!!!!!!!!

fatboyslimerr · May 28, 2006, 09:56 PM // 21:56

I totally agree jimmy. Imo spikes aren't fun to play, they just get the job done. Isn't playing a game about having fun ??? iB really excel at playing balanced teams as seen in game 2 (love the recall warriors) and I think they didn't except EW to play FoC for a second time. Playing FC air spikers using a bonder was perhaps the worse choice they could have made due to FoC necros using descerate enchantments for super high damage spikes.

It was sad to see iB lose and I think they just had a bit of a panic after losing the first game, winning the second, because they new EW wouldn't play balanced for the 3rd. Imo they would have stud a better chance if they used balanced again.

Also I just don't like FoC, I think its crap and cheap. If you wanna spike, R-spike it. R-spike has several counters but these can be countered by some new faction skills (not giving anything away). I think iB deserved to win.

JR · May 28, 2006, 10:01 PM // 22:01

Play to win.

Winning in a tournament is not just about playing at your best, but also about reading your opponent and building to counter it. iB is a great guild, but they just didn't do the latter. EW won, that's all that matters.

[EW]Elendar · May 28, 2006, 11:00 PM // 23:00

I know where i stand on this, and thats in a shiny gold cape

yes it was a gimmick build, and boring to watch, but do you really think thats what we where worried about?
Its not a ladder build, as it needs a specific map and needs to be unexpected, but for suprise value it rocks against unprepared teams

Greedy Gus · May 28, 2006, 11:09 PM // 23:09

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Originally Posted by [EW]Elendar

I know where i stand on this, and thats in a shiny gold cape

Did you get gold capes? I was under the impression the cape trims were based solely on ladder position at the end of the season, and the only thing EW would win was the job of making new premades

Blaine Derrick · May 28, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by [EW]Elendar

I know where i stand on this, and thats in a shiny gold cape

I lol'd.

Build bitches crack me up. EW busting out the FoC spike for the playoffs was a brilliant move that suprised a lot of teams, and supirse and out metaing your opponent is half of the battle in playoff matches. While the matches themselves might not have been the most entertaining, I found the mind games of build vs counter build vs counter-counter build to be very interesting indeed.

Pozeidon · May 28, 2006, 11:25 PM // 23:25

Basically in the playoffs you play whatever you need to, to win. I thought EW build was great and I enjoyed most of the builds I have seen them run. Definitely not a fan of spike in GvG, but I can understand you have to be able to play many builds well to counter your opponents.

Congrats to EW!! Glad no err7's this time.

just call me jimmy · May 29, 2006, 12:15 AM // 00:15

TY fo the responces so far. I'll try to keep it going for a bit longer.
Elendar, if you do belong to EW please read this. 99% of teams do not get a chance to know who they will face in GvG. So your "Gimmick Build" would over power most teams no matter what map, becasue you would need a very specific build to counter it. (Remeber you were taking out a Prepared teams warriors in 1 hit) Unprepared teams would 9 out of 10 times be useless against this "Gimmick Build" ( Analagy - Reason why they do not allow steroids in competitions)
As for you capes and how you got them. I see no skill needed in your build( Gimmick Or Not) If that build is how you got your rank (which I bet it is), maybe you should try to get sponsered by Barry Bonds

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PS just tryin to keep this thread going (sorry if my reply was a flame)
Maybe Anet should incorporate anti degen or like and underplate for ignoring spells as buffs for your armor , that way at least a team could switch out their armor to stand a chance if confronted by this build. Like the HoD Helmet used to be and still kinda is. ( Just an Idea)

Ensign · May 29, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

They got to choose the map in two of the three games. They had a build that is basically unbeatable on that map. Why wouldn't they run it? You don't get points for winning with style, you get them for winning. Congrats to EW for knowing what they needed to play to force a win.

Peace,
-CxE

TheOneMephisto · May 29, 2006, 12:26 AM // 00:26

I have to say that the third game is partly iB's fault. I mean, dual attunements and a bonder? Desecrate was having a field day. They should have prepared for the FoC spike since they were probably going to play on that map again and EW had beaten them with it earlier.

Clinically Proven · May 29, 2006, 01:37 AM // 01:37

What is this "cheap" "crap" "boring" ???

If you think of builds like that then you dont have what it takes to win and that's why you're moaning on a forum instead of standing on the podium.

GG EW

dgb · May 29, 2006, 04:14 AM // 04:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by just call me jimmy

TY fo the responces so far. I'll try to keep it going for a bit longer.
Elendar, if you do belong to EW please read this. 99% of teams do not get a chance to know who they will face in GvG. So your "Gimmick Build" would over power most teams no matter what map, becasue you would need a very specific build to counter it. (Remeber you were taking out a Prepared teams warriors in 1 hit) Unprepared teams would 9 out of 10 times be useless against this "Gimmick Build" ( Analagy - Reason why they do not allow steroids in competitions)
As for you capes and how you got them. I see no skill needed in your build( Gimmick Or Not) If that build is how you got your rank (which I bet it is), maybe you should try to get sponsered by Barry Bonds

.

PS just tryin to keep this thread going (sorry if my reply was a flame)
Maybe Anet should incorporate anti degen or like and underplate for ignoring spells as buffs for your armor , that way at least a team could switch out their armor to stand a chance if confronted by this build. Like the HoD Helmet used to be and still kinda is. ( Just an Idea)

EW's build would fail on just about any other map. It might have worked on the fire island, but any other map and the opposition would have been splitting all over the place. You don't need a specific build to counter it, you need a map that allows you to effectively split.

You may see no skill in it, EW saw it as playing to win. As has been previously stated, their build is near unbeatable (although iB only made it harder for themselves) on imperial isle, why wouldn't they play it? Playing for aesthetic appeal is for scrubs.

Arean Net should address the broken game mechanic that is soul reaping when combined with spirits, I'm not sure how to do it, but it's currently retardedly good, I'd be interested to see how many pips of energy those spirits were equivalent to, but spiking isn't the problem.

All in all the scrubs will bitch that it was unfair while the real players will admire EW for their ruthlessness in exploiting/abusing a mechanic.

Ensign · May 29, 2006, 05:02 AM // 05:02

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Originally Posted by dgb

I'd be interested to see how many pips of energy those spirits were equivalent to, but spiking isn't the problem.

Around 15.

Peace,
-CxE

just call me jimmy · May 29, 2006, 05:29 AM // 05:29

LOL you gotta love how people who don;t agree with this build say it in a calm well thought out way and the people who love it resort to calling people scrubs and noobs.

Oh and when you say that build would loose on any other map. Guess you have never seen EW just stay inside their base for 30 min. Also IB tried to split in match 1 and got takin down 1 by one, all you have to do with this build is focus on the main dmg dealers and dp them out.

More thoughts would be awesome!!!!

I have

Chicken Ftw · May 29, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

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Originally Posted by JR-

Play to win.

Winning in a tournament is not just about playing at your best, but also about reading your opponent and building to counter it. iB is a great guild, but they just didn't do the latter. EW won, that's all that matters.

'Nuff said.

dgb · May 29, 2006, 05:43 AM // 05:43

At this level if you're not playing to maximise your advantage, you may as well resign from the start. You've fired a shot off at EW for maximising their advantage - that to me is a scrub bitching.

If EW's build would work on any map, why didn't they run it in game 2 and beat iB with it then?

C2K · May 29, 2006, 05:50 AM // 05:50

IMO, when your in the finals in a tounrament, you don't play for fun, you play to win. The build may be unbeatable on that map, but hey, EW won without a boon-prot monk backing them up. They definately deserve credit for that.

Sheol · May 29, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

I think it was better then last finals where everyones builds were almost identical XD Good to see some variation.

Trelon Burg · May 29, 2006, 07:54 AM // 07:54

Congrats to EW on their great accomplishments. Also, irresistable blokes are some great players to watch as well and put forth a more than valiant effort.

Now to topic, first I don't understand why you would complain and flame about EW's build, since it was a great play towards tipping the chance for their guild to win and they had control of it due to their earned seeding. If anything can be said about unfair it would be as above mentioned with the benefits from 3 spirit spammers and soul reaping. With that said, I don't see this thread actually proving anything worth stating other than complaints about entertainment value and gimmicks, which is nothing new or noteworthy. Stop the flame and play the game.

[EW]Elendar · May 29, 2006, 08:35 AM // 08:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by just call me jimmy

So your "Gimmick Build" would over power most teams no matter what map, becasue you would need a very specific build to counter it.

As for you capes and how you got them. I see no skill needed in your build( Gimmick Or Not) If that build is how you got your rank (which I bet it is)

Guess you have never seen EW just stay inside their base for 30 min

As to the map point, that build should would get destroyed on a split map, you see what happens to us on 2nd map when we run a build designed to counter foc and their normal metadenial, we're expecting an 8v8 fight vs very heavy pressure or spike, but instead its a split game that our build couldn't manage, it might still have worked, but they where very prepared for our normal build - warriors - and had far too much defence against them so most of our damage was negated.

As to the last two quotes, i fear i must sugest that you would not be worrying about the potential affect of this build on gvg if you actually ever watched gvgs. We have played this build a total of 6 times ever, twice unrated, once against emt, once against sotw, twice against iB.
And as for camping in base for 30 mins, no thanks, i'd rather have fun.
This is not a ladder build, because it relies too much on knowing the map

We ran a build designed to win, not to look pretty on observer mode (and ib's last build was a gimmik build too

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