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JR · May 30, 2006, 09:28 AM // 09:28

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Originally Posted by Teh Mighty Warrior

And if you are holding, you will need all your skills, that's why we bring those "junk" skills.

You are missing the point.

What myself and others were talking about is how HA forces you to bring junk skills, because of the gameplay mechanics. Spell Breaker is a BAD PvP skill, but you need it in tombs because of the Ghostly... etc.

For your Blood Spike example; against good Blood Spike that pressures your energy it would be far more advantageous for your Infuser to have some form of elite energy management, rather than a skill which will largely be useless. How usefull is SB against good teams? Not very.

"Let's try and spike that guy who just put SB on himself! In 3, 2, 1.... crap."

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Originally Posted by Schorny

I do not agree with you on this, because in HA you'll face 90% bad teams. So there is no fast target switching in 90% of the games which makes seed a very good skill in nearly all games. Same as spellbreaker. SoD is a overpriced guardian it is one of the skills you really only run for protecting you ghost against interrupts (though now you take Shields Up or simple take blinding flash to protected against seeking arrows ranger)

Though you don't take skills to fight good teams, you take skills to fast beat bad teams - which kinda is sad :/ but it makes no sense to prepare for the rare cases where you'll fight a good team...

Whilst I agree with the essence of your post, I still disagree. I would rather take skills to beat good teams, and have a bit of a harder time against bad teams. That doesn't really bother me though, because that one good team in ten is the team I am really bothered about beating. However, as covered, HA forces you to take junk skills if you wish to hold.

EaT Macros · May 30, 2006, 09:57 AM // 09:57

Isnt the point of putting seed or SoD on somebody protecting that target? Good teams will stop attacking...SO THAT MEANS THE SKILL WORKED!! You just saved a team members ass and they're wasting their time switching targets.

JR · May 30, 2006, 10:05 AM // 10:05

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Originally Posted by EaT Macros

Isnt the point of putting seed or SoD on somebody protecting that target? Good teams will stop attacking...SO THAT MEANS THE SKILL WORKED!! You just saved a team members ass and they're wasting their time switching targets.

So you are taking an elite to make the opponent tab-space more? Great work.

EaT Macros · May 30, 2006, 10:06 AM // 10:06

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Originally Posted by JR-

So you are taking an elite to make the opponent tab-space more? Great work.

Also taking it against interupting the ghostly...

All ppl saying that it are junk skills if there wasnt an altar in this game....what if there wasnt any dmg...HEALING GETS JUNK THEN

There are no junk skills on your bar...ofc they get junk if an aspect of the game gets removed...but thats a very bad argument for calling a skill junk:/

JR · May 30, 2006, 10:27 AM // 10:27

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Originally Posted by EaT Macros

Also taking it against interupting the ghostly...

All ppl saying that it are junk skills if there wasnt an altar in this game....what if there wasnt any dmg...HEALING GETS JUNK THEN

There are no junk skills on your bar...ofc they get junk if an aspect of the game gets removed...but thats a very bad argument for calling a skill junk:/

It really is a simple argument, try to pay attention.

Spell Breaker is a skill that is bad in any situation other than where there is a Ghostly Hero that you have to baby sit. This is forcing you to slightly gimp one of your monks in order to take it. It simply is not a skill that is otherwise suited to PvP.

Ehrenia · May 30, 2006, 03:49 PM // 15:49

spell breaker is not a bad skill, Shield of deflection is not a bad skill. no wonder i never see u win hoh EVERY day *cough* we do.

JR · May 30, 2006, 04:04 PM // 16:04

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Originally Posted by Ehrenia

spell breaker is not a bad skill, Shield of deflection is not a bad skill. no wonder i never see u win hoh EVERY day *cough* we do.

Would you take Spell Breaker into GvG or TA?

And if I actually found HA challenging or interesting in the slightest, maybe you would. *cough*

Schorny · May 31, 2006, 01:18 AM // 01:18

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Originally Posted by JR-

Would you take Spell Breaker into GvG or TA?

No. But in HA it does make some sense.

In TA you simple lack the resources to run skills that aren't that important, in GvG you can always kite.

In HA you can't kite away from the mesmer that is harassing you. You have a stationary battle. You can't run away from a mesmer, you can't force him to overextend (on most maps, specially the altar maps).

This is the big difference between GvG and HA. So in GvG you would fall back if the mesmer pressures you too much in HA you can't. But you still need to deal with this situation - and that is where spellbreaker comes in handy.

Though if there where no altar map, you wouldn't take it, because it is just a "nice to have" on normal maps. But it is not really junk

That is fundamental different than in GvG. In the hall a battle has a limited time. So if you can force your enemy to attack someone else _now_ all it gains you is time. In GvG time is nearly nothing. If you die now or in 1 minute doesn't really matter. In the hall it can grant you a win.

Jimmy Swaggart · Jun 02, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13

I think the point JR is making is that Spell Breaker in ANY PVP situation without a ghostly/capture resource aspect is just a waste. To block an elite spot for a short duration, long recharge skill that just causes a target switch is ridiculous. Its like mist form for spells. Please do not suggest mist form is good. Even SB is losing its effectiveness with Order of Apostasy creeping into tombs builds.

shardfenix · Jun 20, 2006, 08:22 AM // 08:22

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Originally Posted by Teh Mighty Warrior

There are a few things that could be done.

1. Swap out distracting shot with savage shot.
2. Don't allow the Ghostly Hero to interrupt 1 second cast times.
3. Remove it completely.

/Sign /Notsign please, but give an explanation and enlighten me on why distracting shot on the Ghostly Hero is not overpowered.

You'd rather sub distracting shot for savage shot so the ghostly can interrupt someone once every 5 seconds????? no thanks.

I can interrupt 3/4 second casts 80% of the time, and 1 second casts 99% of the time. The ghostly is supposed to be a little better than players. (just to brag, I can interrupt infuse health with a 50% success rate)

geminisaga · Jun 21, 2006, 02:18 AM // 02:18

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Originally Posted by Teh Mighty Warrior

I'm going to make this short and sweet. Distracting shot on the Ghostly Hero is ridiculous. It is EXTREMELY overpowered. He interrupts EVERYTHING. I can't even keep track of how many times he has interrupted my orison, dwayna's, and woh, consume corpse...or any other one second cast time skills. It's ridiculous. Distracting heal party or woh could sway a closely-matched fight. I swear he has even distracted shot me while wielding an axe. It's downright annoying and pointless.

There are a few things that could be done.

1. Swap out distracting shot with savage shot.
2. Don't allow the Ghostly Hero to interrupt 1 second cast times.
3. Remove it completely.

I agree with all the other changes to the ghostly hero, except maybe for disrupting chop, but I'm not going to get into that today. The point I'm trying to get across is that interrupts on the AI is overpowered.

/Sign /Notsign please, but give an explanation and enlighten me on why distracting shot on the Ghostly Hero is not overpowered.

/notsign
another whineer pfft, before ppl whining ghostly hero is totaly useless , now anet buff it another complain. ghost with dis shot is fine as it is , make game more challanging.

Lando Griffen · Jun 21, 2006, 04:31 AM // 04:31

I personally find it amusing when the hero follows me around and interupts everything I try to do. I then move away from the hero and I stop getting interrupted

If your team is able to keep him healed, let him follow you and use him as an asset. If not, raqequit guildwars immediately

shadowfell · Jun 21, 2006, 06:26 AM // 06:26

/not signed..

He's the ghostly hero, not the ghostly moron.. He has to be good.