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Random Nonsense · Jun 21, 2006, 06:37 AM // 06:37

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Originally Posted by General Typhus

LOL

Shard you're so nub, just don't run enchants. ;D

You've got to understand, you're running the same build so they're running a counter. The inclusion of a taint in standard iway means nothing against spike as there is little to no free fire physical damage. The heavy enchant personalities of ranger and blood spike is also very much in OoA's favor. Reliance on heavy enchanting has been the death of so many teams we've played lately.

In all honesty OoA is fine. We are yet to come close to losing to an OoA iway, but have lost almost lost one to a Taint.(out of about 120 matches in the past 3 days.) In fact, I think we've given elemental science a stroke. Record's still 13-0 buddy.

I think this is more directed to OoA used in IWAY.

Aegis, Prot Spirit, Channeling, Holy Veil, Healing Seed, Healing Hands, Shield of Deflection. Spellbreaker... okay basically all the Monk skills used in Tombs would be completely useless, as well as so many other enchantments used for energy management, etc. Not having enchantments in tombs, makes it almost impossible to cap or hold an altar. People use enchantments to keep their team alive, for protection, and to win/hold halls. You can't run 3 straight healers with no SB, no anything or you will never cap an altar.

I don't think running the normal 3 monk backline is called "heavy enchanting."

Huntmaster · Jun 21, 2006, 06:50 AM // 06:50

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Originally Posted by Random Nonsense

You can't run 3 straight healers with no SB, no anything or you will never cap an altar.

We actually only have 2 healers in our build, and no prot. How are we winning? We have, i think, Seed in our build for prot skills. Nothing else.

As for actually dealing with OoA.. We're talking about iway here. Is it just me or are iway necros incredibly easy to gank? If you hate OoA so much, stay on that OoA nec and use up all their teams sigs. Iway doesn't have much for healing. Pressure their backline and they crumble. :/

@Shard; your iway hate really just makes you look like an ignorant fool.. Everytime you've hated on somebody for playing iway, or iway in general, in this thread so far, i've laughed and read it as you losing the argument. It seems to be how you retort. Please, lets keep this civil and relevant.

geminisaga · Jun 21, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Fair enough. Assuming the target is crippled, only half those hits go through, but it's enough to piss off a bonder anyway.

damn i was hoping you didnt know what a mesmer was lol. Still yet, apoc necros are too far back for one mesmer to overextend to waste an interrupt, then another interrupt 2 seconds later, then another interrupt 2 seconds later. Did I mention it has radar range and has no recharge?

Sorry, as much as I would love to play iway *cough* I don't need to grind fame that badly, nor do I wish to play with unskilled players who only win because of broken skills. I don't play to farm fame, I play to improve my skills and have fun (i will admit the few times I have played iway, it was pretty fun)

Mostly english learn elementary school. Time thanks for sir

yes yes sure thanks for time , u the one has to go back to elementary school, and yea stop crying ^^ Rnoob

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 06:59 AM // 06:59

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster

We actually only have 2 healers in our build, and no prot.

Your build is iway. Learn how to play the game. When apostasy gets nerfed, what skills will you have? Regular iway to lose with nonstop all day? Don't defend a massively overpowered skill because it's the only way you can and ever will beat someone.

Well, good night everyone. See you when the servers are up again ^^.

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 07:00 AM // 07:00

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Originally Posted by geminisaga

yes yes sure thanks for time , u the one has to go back to elementary school, and yea stop crying ^^ Rnoob

Rnoob. Wow great insult, that isn't even NEAR what our guild leader was trying to get at when he came up with the tag. You're about 5 months late on that joke.

General Typhus · Jun 21, 2006, 07:46 AM // 07:46

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Your build is iway. Learn how to play the game. When apostasy gets nerfed, what skills will you have? Regular iway to lose with nonstop all day? Don't defend a massively overpowered skill because it's the only way you can and ever will beat someone.

Well, good night everyone. See you when the servers are up again ^^.

In accordance with your claims that GanK runs Iway, everyone but Rnub runs iway. All builds are now Iway. Shard's too cool to discriminate. Any build that involves enchant hate is iway. All builds in HA that are not spike are iway. Discredit that which you fear my friend.

You sir, are a moron. I hope that brain tumor kills you slowly.^^

Huntmaster · Jun 21, 2006, 08:51 AM // 08:51

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Your build is iway. Learn how to play the game. When apostasy gets nerfed, what skills will you have? Regular iway to lose with nonstop all day? Don't defend a massively overpowered skill because it's the only way you can and ever will beat someone.

Well, good night everyone. See you when the servers are up again ^^.

:/

Wow. You're damn ignorant.. I'm not even going to follow this up because your posts make my head explode. To be honest, it sounds like you have some kind of penis envy towards iway.. Get beat by it too much?

And i also remember you saying this at one time:

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When I was running Pi's rediculously powerful ranger spike, I fought a guild (not sure who it was) in courtyard who used NO enchantments, only wards and spirits. Their defensive power was amazing, and I have no doubt that they had to beat at least 2-3 iway groups to get there. We couldn't even touch them. Just an idea for beating iway, or any traditional build.

Hippo-crit. MOO!

Anyway, back on topic; OoA isn't overpowered, teams just rely on enchants too much.

Lord Dark Genie · Jun 21, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

Ever heard of warrior hate hexes ?

Maybe your problem is that you don't have room for that in your spike build. Run FoC spike then....

suiraCLAW · Jun 21, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

anti warrior hexes > anti warrior traps, spirits and wards > anti warrior enchantments, always

OoA isn't overpowerd, it just eliminates one way to lower the damage. I can be wrong, but wasn't it the tainted necro job to get people out of wards?

Another note is that there was only one enchantment that could lower the damage output of iway in some way: aegis (bonds + NR aren't the perfect combination you know). But we all know that aegis alone was never enough to beat iway (it helps, but you still need hexes, traps, wards and/or spirits).

It seems like some people can't stand it if there "perfect" build gets defeated by a more gimmick build...

Small tip: if you don't want to meet iway, please go to TA, CA or GB

BTW: before the flaming starts: I'm not an iway'er.

/close thread (because of flaming) please.

General Typhus · Jun 21, 2006, 09:59 AM // 09:59

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

It seems like some people can't stand it if there "perfect" build gets defeated by a more gimmick build...

Small tip: if you don't want to meet iway, please go to TA, CA or GB

BTW: before the flaming starts: I'm not an iway'er.

Seeing as you are arguing against him,in shard's eyes you are.

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

GanK...All I see you run is iway, more iway, and occasionally some ranger spike or degen or something. I can't remember that ONE other build you ran because it sucked so much. Face it, you're primarily iway.

So...can you GanK ********* please post something that has to do with the topic, instead of trying to convince everybody that you're not iway. (I mean come on, would you rather be a good iway guild, or a horrible...whatever that build was guild?)

This thread is about whether apostasy iway is broken, and based on the stats (from when i was on above average teams), it is. One skill really should not make a build that much better. It is unbelievable how powerful OoA is, I knew it the first time I saw it I was going to hate it.

art_ · Jun 21, 2006, 10:39 AM // 10:39

My suggested Nerf:

Decrease OoA range to the aggro bubble, and reduce cost to 20 energy. That way balanced teams can use it and it remains a viable enchantment removal. It will make it possible to stop teams exploiting an insanely powerful skill.

PS: GanK people, gratz on winning Halls like twice?, but some of you need to stop bragging and generally forcing your huge egos on everyone. Peace <3

shardfenix · Jun 21, 2006, 10:45 AM // 10:45

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

OoA isn't overpowerd, it just eliminates one way to lower the damage. I can be wrong, but wasn't it the tainted necro job to get people out of wards?

No, OoA eliminates EVERY way or reducing damage.

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

Another note is that there was only one enchantment that could lower the damage output of iway in some way: aegis (bonds + NR aren't the perfect combination you know). But we all know that aegis alone was never enough to beat iway (it helps, but you still need hexes, traps, wards and/or spirits).

Do you even own Guild Wars???

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

It seems like some people can't stand it if there "perfect" build gets defeated by a more gimmick build...

My builds are not perfect. I started this thread because apostasy makes iway perfect. Guild Wars is supposed to be a game about skill. How much skill is involved when all you have to do is attack a random target to win?

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

Small tip: if you don't want to meet iway, please go to TA, CA or GB

[pre edited for flaming because I had something really funny to say but it would probably make this guy cry]

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Originally Posted by suiraCLAW

BTW: before the flaming starts: I'm not an iway'er.

I know. I could tell you're not an iwayer because you know absolutely nothing about pvp.

Huntmaster · Jun 21, 2006, 10:50 AM // 10:50

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

No, OoA eliminates EVERY way or reducing damage.

You make my head want to explode. Next time we stomp Rnub, i hope you're there. Hell, we can even pretend we're running iway for you.

Back to the task at hand, proving how you are a nutcase.

Do YOU even own guild wars? Enchants are the ONLY way to reduce damage? Dub tee eff. Stances and spirits don't count? Neither do wards and the like? Thats a shame.

Whatever version of GW you're running, i want in. It sounds fun. All that iway running around must be a dream.

Oh, forgot to note your flawless logic, Shard:

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I know. I could tell you're not an iwayer because you know absolutely nothing about pvp.

According to you, to have knowledge of PvP you have to be an iwayer, and you seem to think you're king shit of pvp, so if 1+1=2, you = iwayer?

This thread needs a lock. :/

geminisaga · Jun 21, 2006, 10:54 AM // 10:54

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Guild Wars is supposed to be a game about skill. How much skill is involved when all you have to do is attack a random target to win?

only nubs like u saying that, attacking random target wont give u anywhere against decent player.

Xasew · Jun 21, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

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Originally Posted by Loch

How about you kite the warriors during the 6 seconds OoA is up?

This is where this thread should have stopped. Put one guy to target the OoA Necro and when OoA is up, you tell your team to run for wtfpwnbbq SIX(6!) seconds. Since positioning and HA is totally unrelated, the 6 seconds of running won't probably get you killed.

General Typhus · Jun 21, 2006, 11:02 AM // 11:02

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

GanK...All I see you run is iway, more iway, and occasionally some ranger spike or degen or something. I can't remember that ONE other build you ran because it sucked so much. Face it, you're primarily iway.

So...can you GanK ********* please post something that has to do with the topic, instead of trying to convince everybody that you're not iway. (I mean come on, would you rather be a good iway guild, or a horrible...whatever that build was guild?)

This thread is about whether apostasy iway is broken, and based on the stats (from when i was on above average teams), it is. One skill really should not make a build that much better. It is unbelievable how powerful OoA is, I knew it the first time I saw it I was going to hate it.

Look, you're an idiot. You've made it known in your insistence that OoA is uber godly anti everything, and your moronic claims that GanK is iway. Watch us in observer, ask SCC, as iT, ask anyone. We're not an iway guild, and you're just an incoherent faghat. We don't run ranger spike, FoC spike, shitty blood spike or degen. We don't run iway. We've never used OoA and we've never lost to your shitty r spike without an e7. Also, almost every post I made directly pertains to the topic, I just don't agree with you. OoA isn't godly.

It's funny that you have the nerve to say we are useless when YOU are the ones losing to Iway. We are YET to lose to such a gimped build. Try running something other then the same shitty ranger/blood spike.

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No, OoA eliminates EVERY way or reducing damage.

If you think that then you're a bigger idiot then I though possible. I know the only hex your build may implement is rigor, but there are other *useful* hexes in the game as well. Look in the earth skill line of an ele and read "Ward against melee" off to me please.

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apostasy makes iway perfect.

EL OH EL

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I know. I could tell you're not an iwayer because you know absolutely nothing about pvp.

Explain your reasoning. He seems to be perfectly PvP proficient to me.

You're really no better then the unranked whingers that moan all live long day about Iway and evenetually fall into Iway itself. Maybe you should try it. Seems to be an improvement for you if it's so "perfect".

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GanK people, gratz on winning Halls like twice?, but some of you need to stop bragging and generally forcing your huge egos on everyone. Peace <3

I'm only defending our reputation.

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

When I was running Pi's rediculously powerful ranger spike

Who's the egomaniac?

JR · Jun 21, 2006, 11:35 AM // 11:35

So much edrama that even Huntmasters avatar couldn't save this thread.