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tomcruisejr · Jun 24, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

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Originally Posted by Guinea Fig

Players don't want to teach new players how to play. That got ABSOLUTELY nothing to do with IWAY.

rank conscious players dont want teach new players how to play and prevent them playing from their group. they turn to iway which is pug friendly, doesnt hurt much (time wise, ego wise) when it loses and can win.

i rest my case.

Guinea Fig · Jun 24, 2006, 07:52 PM // 19:52

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

And whats different about the ranger spirit spammer? They have savage shot? Wow that just made it soooo much more skillfull to play. By the way, I use to take savage shot on my trappers/spirit spammers. However, no room for it now since I only run 1 ranger.

There are tons of high ranked players that have never IWAYed or played it only once or twice.

Adding other skills to that ranger's bar make that character take more skill to play if even by a little. Even if its just an interrupt/blackout, you need to rely on that person to stop spike teams, capping ghosts, or even your OoA casting necro. Other spirit spammer variants have to carry shields up and have to get the team to ball up. Some use to apply poison or choking gas. Maybe not a world of difference... but still more than someone whose only job is to maintain those spirits. I've seen IWAY spirit spammer with interrupts but they can consistently miss and the team still wins. You have 4 interrupt carrying warriors already trying to stop that ward against melee.

There ARE tons of high ranked players that have never IWAYed or played it only once or twice. But as your friends have already revealed throughout this very thread.... there might as well be 2x as many high ranked players who have gotten most of it from IWAY. Fame farm

. Come on Yunas... you ran a fame farming service for god sakes. You take 2 utterly new PvE players and still manage to get outrageous amounts of fame. It made you rich!

And tomcruise, my entire post before was on why IWAY has made HA much more unforgiving of new players. IF you play IWAY it is a very new player friendly build. If you choose to HA without playing HA IWAY, it is a new player's worst nightmare. IWAY groups will farm you like pve'ers used to farm desert griffons. I think that is a horrible game dynamic. Play iway or else. It is also the number one reason so many people have left HA forever.

Anyway, I enjoy debating with you guys. However, I certainly don't share your point of view hehe. I believe IWAY really has destroyed what little was left Tombs/HA's reputation.

Random Nonsense · Jun 24, 2006, 09:09 PM // 21:09

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Originally Posted by Guinea Fig

And tomcruise, my entire post before was on why IWAY has made HA much more unforgiving of new players. IF you play IWAY it is a very new player friendly build. If you choose to HA without playing HA IWAY, it is a new player's worst nightmare. IWAY groups will farm you like pve'ers used to farm desert griffons. I think that is a horrible game dynamic. Play iway or else. It is also the number one reason so many people have left HA forever.

Anyway, I enjoy debating with you guys. However, I certainly don't share your point of view hehe. I believe IWAY really has destroyed what little was left Tombs/HA's reputation.

Excellent points made. Thank you.

Yunas Ele · Jun 24, 2006, 11:52 PM // 23:52

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Originally Posted by Guinea Fig

Adding other skills to that ranger's bar make that character take more skill to play if even by a little. Even if its just an interrupt/blackout, you need to rely on that person to stop spike teams, capping ghosts, or even your OoA casting necro. Other spirit spammer variants have to carry shields up and have to get the team to ball up. Some use to apply poison or choking gas. Maybe not a world of difference... but still more than someone whose only job is to maintain those spirits. I've seen IWAY spirit spammer with interrupts but they can consistently miss and the team still wins. You have 4 interrupt carrying warriors already trying to stop that ward against melee.

If the spirit spamming is missing, its because they suck. It requires skill and if they are missing they don't have skill. You are proving my point here. Some IWAY roles take skill. I'm sure there are some sucky spirit spammers in a balance team too. Perhaps you should of faught one of my teams when I use savage shot on my rangers. It required skill.

Blood spikes generally run pure spirits (similar to iway) so I guess blood spike spirit spammer takes no skill then? It does though because its not on an iway team!!!1111111111

And what about the orders necro who carries infuse? It surely takes less skill to infuse on an orders necro than it does on an SB/Infuse, correct? Oh wait, its the exact same thing.

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Originally Posted by Guinea Fig

There ARE tons of high ranked players that have never IWAYed or played it only once or twice. But as your friends have already revealed throughout this very thread.... there might as well be 2x as many high ranked players who have gotten most of it from IWAY. Fame farm

. Come on Yunas... you ran a fame farming service for god sakes. You take 2 utterly new PvE players and still manage to get outrageous amounts of fame. It made you rich!

I only take 1 fame farmer at a time. We are telling the one fame farmer what to do on vent. iA takes one of their smiters as a fame farmer sometimes and they still dominate halls. So dual smite takes no skill then by that logic. But that logic is wrong.

Also think of it as a team with a henchy. Teams still dominate with a hench. My team can still dominate with 1 less experienced player. (And no offense to my fame farmers... I'm just trying to prove a point here.)

tomcruisejr · Jun 25, 2006, 12:16 AM // 00:16

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Originally Posted by Guinea Fig

And tomcruise, my entire post before was on why IWAY has made HA much more unforgiving of new players. IF you play IWAY it is a very new player friendly build. If you choose to HA without playing HA IWAY, it is a new player's worst nightmare. IWAY groups will farm you like pve'ers used to farm desert griffons. I think that is a horrible game dynamic. Play iway or else. It is also the number one reason so many people have left HA forever.

it's easy for you to pinpoint iway coz its the most dominant build that any one can run and that can givem a taste of win. but imagine there's no iway. will there be a pug friendly build that can new players can run? you know the answer :P. (smite, spike, name it)

iway's reputation is subjective. to some, it destroyed ha. to many, it gave them a chance to play and enjoy the game. we bought the game and we have the every right to enjoy it to the fullest. and iway isnt a restrictive build. everyone is free to run iway. noone is preventing them from running it but themselves. so why the fuss?

and just look at gvg atm. triple smite? its played like IWAY.

nobody can do anything if a new player refuses to go with the flow, play iway (or other fotm). but with patience, it will be more rewarding to him. it may take slowly and painfully but every minute that he spends time forming his group, not playing iway, trying to beat iway and other builds in ha and transitioning to gvg, will be worth it.

it happened to iwayers before, during the times when iway can just reach first to few maps when the good players were still in tombs, when iwayers were considered "desert griffons" (free fame), when iway wins hoh rarely (coz the good players werent in). iwayers of the past were trashed talked at, flashed emote at when defeated. they persevered, tried beat them good balanced players, dominated, succeeded. and the good balanced players left the tombs. who won?

cycle man. now its the time of the new balanced players to beat iway. will take time but possible.

im with yuna's too bout player skill, in iway or in any builds. bad warriors, bad necros, bad spirit guys, bad rangers make a bad iway group. same with balanced build. bad players will make a bad balanced build.

Mental Leteci · Jun 25, 2006, 12:35 AM // 00:35

IMHO,IWAY is all about the map and size of that map.

Silent Elvin Ranger · Jun 25, 2006, 08:19 PM // 20:19

So it takes no skills to play IWAY? I believe that is true about the warriors. Warriors just have to run around hacking stuff and hitting IWAY. There goal is to take the call and kill that target.

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And what about the orders necro who carries infuse? It surely takes less skill to infuse on an orders necro than it does on an SB/Infuse, correct? Oh wait, its the exact same thing.

Yunas just pwned u. Yeah he is right of course. That is the point on the orders. The tainted necro has to kite enemies, but at the same time putting tainted flesh on the team and wasting those corpses. IS THIS N E DIFFERENT FROM THE SKILL OF A MONK THAT KITES ENEMEIES BUT HAS TO STOP TO HEAL HIMSELF AND HIS PARTY?

The Trappers have to know where and when to use traps. The resolve trapper has not much to worry about except the energy draining mantra of resolve. The Martyr has to know when to use martyr so he doesnt end up dead and the team isnt left with conditions. If a martyr being chased use martyr to help team and then gets all the cripple, poison bleeding etc. and then dies from the chaser.....U HAVE UR NOOB. And it takes skill when to use Frozen Soil so that it is used to ur advantage. Well most other teams use that skill when they r winning, so i guess they r noobs with no skill.

And if IWAY only wins cuz its overpowering and requires no skill at all, why dont u put skilled people in the build (non-noobs if u will) i guess u could take the Hall and sweep n e team u want. Well this is not the case. Put skilled r9s in IWAY and they dont always win the Hall, which proves its not overpowering. But it does sumtimes take the halls, which shows that its not just for noobs and that its not just fame farming. BTW u can take the halls with IWAY, so technically u cant call it fame farming.

Fame Farming: A team in Hero's Ascent that forms quickly and whos main goal is to win the first 2 or 3 battles then lose and try again. If this is true about IWAY, then balenced teams are just as much fame farmers. JUST BECUZ U R IN A BALENCED GROUP DOESNT MEAN U R N E BETTER THEN AN IWAY TEAM.

On and IMO, IWAY and balenced and Duel Smite all take about the same time to form. IWAY may seem easier to form becuz there r alot of ppl who do it, but its not. Just cuz u got beat by IWAY is no need to bash them.

If ur team was "skilled" and u got beat by IWAY, then they must be "skilled". Even if they were unranked they had enuf skill to play a build that is apparently "overpowering".

Sum fame farming services do actually use spikes or balenced teams FYI.

master_of_puppets · Jun 25, 2006, 09:23 PM // 21:23

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Originally Posted by Silent Elvin Ranger

On and IMO, IWAY and balenced and Duel Smite all take about the same time to form. IWAY may seem easier to form becuz there r alot of ppl who do it, but its not. Just cuz u got beat by IWAY is no need to bash them.

Nah you can make an IWAY group in less than 5-10 minutes usually. Plus 90%of IWAY PuGs dont bother using ts/vent or setting anything else such as who's responsible of killing enemy spirits etc. IWAY used to be overpowered but I wouldnt say thats true anymore (except for OoA). Its just so easy to play. Yes you cant say it takes no skill to play but not as much as other builds.
iway necro=takes some skill
iway trapper=takes a bit of skill
iway warrior=takes almost no skill
There is no difference between a r3 Iway warrior and a r10 iway warrior. Except that the r10 has a lot more free time.

Lord Dark Genie · Jun 26, 2006, 11:27 AM // 11:27

IWAY or not, there's a major difference between a good warrior and a bad warrior.

Both can win against bad teams. But when playing against IWAY, I can definitely feel the difference between complete nubs that run after the warriors, and those that apply actual pressure.

Of course that has absolutely nothing to do with rank, because even a bad player can get r9 eventually. You can get fame with henchway ^^

dbgtboy · Jun 26, 2006, 12:53 PM // 12:53

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Originally Posted by master_of_puppets

iway necro=takes some skill
iway trapper=takes a bit of skill
iway warrior=takes almost no skill

so basically the main damage in the build takes no skill to play? thats probably one of the dumbest things ive ever heard, an iway without good warriors is going to be complete garbage (thats the main reason why most iway groups suck, the warriors are bad).