Curse

ophidian409 · May 09, 2006, 10:25 AM // 10:25

I played balance group until rank 7, and then I turned to play iway and now I am rank 9.

I am not saying I am a very comprehensive pvper but since I have played balance group for months, I have more knowledge than the iwayers.

Usually I joined rank 6 iway but I found they really sucked, I don't care if they have a knight boot, a hod helm, a zealous haft etc, but I can't stand when they called me noob when I played as an order and they said I didn't have enough healing from healparty, but they don't even know the fact that it takes 4 sec between each heal party, they also said I didn't give enough healing but they didn't even know how iway works like why the hell don't they just invite a mo/n? When a mesmser is overextened to margrain me and I called target but no one would kill the overextened, and a martyr trapper never protects the order. They don't even know how iway works and they can't even tell what the problem is when they lose.

I feel very sad that most rank 9 iwayers are brainless dumb, all of them feel themselves very smart and call people a noob, but they've even played other builds before. Even though they have played a warrior, trapper etc over and over again but they are still noobs and make no progress. A real good pvpers are those who join voice chat, not rage quit, and learn from others advices.

I don't have a prejudice against iway since I got 3k fame from it so far, but in fact most of them are nothing but n00bs.

Kep · May 09, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

couldn't of put it better myself. when you lose to an Iway group just because your a well known guild they instantly start shouting their mouths off, making out their better than you, its been the same since Math Teacher to flipping Rush for Victory Iway farming guild now. The fact of the matter is that they are all unskilled players, they put no effort into forming their groups, no thought into making their build, no communication into their play, just grab a group and go, and win because their build is highly over-powered. So yes, they are all brainless pathetic players. Yesterday I played a Euro1 PUG group in underworld, and I have much respect for them at least trying to form a group and trying to succeed, than respect I take for any Iway group.

luilui · May 09, 2006, 10:56 AM // 10:56

what r u trying to say???

isnt that a known fact that 90% of the iwayers are in general dont have a good understanding of the game and are rather stupid. Or u r just trying to confirm it.

why would u degrade urself and joined iway anyway.....

(hey Shepards ^^)

ophidian409 · May 09, 2006, 11:36 AM // 11:36

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Originally Posted by luilui

what r u trying to say???

isnt that a known fact that 90% of the iwayers are in general dont have a good understanding of the game and are rather stupid. Or u r just trying to confirm it.

why would u degrade urself and joined iway anyway.....

(hey Shepards ^^)

Here are two things you have to understand:

1) If you have an hour and you need to go, iway can fit your time, becasue a balance group always takes you a few hours sit and half hour join. If you have exam coming etc and you want some pvp iway is the best choice. I don't degrade myself I just want to do something that fits my time.

2) I don't know the fact that 90% rank 6 iwayers don't even know how to do iway right, they just kill kill kill without using their brain, they don't freaking even know to kill the spirits from the spirit spammer even though we told them to. I was being told a noob by 2 rank 9 iwayers yesterday thats why I write this, I didn't know they thought so. I don't know I am a noob in their eyes just becasue I know the game more than they do?

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Originally Posted by Kep

couldn't of put it better myself. when you lose to an Iway group just because your a well known guild they instantly start shouting their mouths off, making out their better than you, its been the same since Math Teacher to flipping Rush for Victory Iway farming guild now. The fact of the matter is that they are all unskilled players, they put no effort into forming their groups, no thought into making their build, no communication into their play, just grab a group and go, and win because their build is highly over-powered. So yes, they are all brainless pathetic players. Yesterday I played a Euro1 PUG group in underworld, and I have much respect for them at least trying to form a group and trying to succeed, than respect I take for any Iway group.

I played with your math teachers a couple of times and I knew many of them were rank 9, from what I could see most of them are unskilled but they always looked down on others.

luilui · May 09, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by ophidian409

Here are two things you have to understand:

1) If you have an hour and you need to go, iway can fit your time, becasue a balance group always takes you a few hours sit and half hour join. If you have exam coming etc and you want some pvp iway is the best choice. I don't degrade myself I just want to do something that fits my time.

and u got 3k fames from that, looks like u r having too many exams ^^. also i found it surpricing that it took u so long to realise that iway players are in general not very good.

Ado · May 10, 2006, 12:53 AM // 00:53

Stupidity isn't reserved solely for iway. Just a few examples I encountered when playing in r6+ balanced pugs.

Warriors forgetting to kill spirits when playing against iway.
Warriors getting out of healingrange to kill spirits without communacating it with the protmonk
Migrainemesmers falling for the escapebuttontrick wasting their interuptskills.
Monks who don't communacate with eachother when removing hexes.
SS necro's putting SS on the wrong targets.
Necro's spamming rotting flesh against an iway team when the whole iway team is tainted.
Overextending.
Warders and monks who aren't managing their energy properly resulting in poor defense.
Players shouting on ts/vent that they have a condition/hex on them without calling their number.
Mesmers surging a target when target is already at zero energy.
Players who aren't realising that they are standing in Well of Profane.
Not putting up frozen soil at the right moment.
Putting up fertile season at the start of an altarholding map.

And the list goes on and on.

And the worst thing is that when you say something about it a lot of players either ragequit, deny that they made a mistake or totally freak out.

Making mistakes is normal. I've made and still make mistakes, it's part of life. The problem with playing in both balanced and iway is that many players are not willing to learn from eachother. Therefor I mostly play with my guild or with my friends unless none of them are online (which is often the case lately, time to make some new friends

)

And believe it or not, there are some guilds/friendsgroups who are actually trying to run iway as effectivly as possible, and when I encounter them playing as an active prot, I know I'm going to have a hard time.

Solberg the Exiled · May 10, 2006, 01:38 AM // 01:38

Oh I understand exactly how you feel. When I do play IWAY, it's usualy as the order necro (And I know I'm a pretty darn good one, although I keep that to myself). And a lot of times when we lose, I start to see things "OMG Noob Orders" or "Kick Orders" And I ask why and they reply "We lost because of you didn't heal" perfectly not understanding that

1) Heal party has a recharge time
2) my heal party might have gotten disrupted/shutdowned.

One time I had an opponent Mesmer AND an opponent ranger just sit there ready to stop everything I do. and I couldn't even run away since all those IWAY warriors was body blocking me with them and thier pets. And of course, we lost very fast and of course the comment of "Noob order" starts.

Then again, I have pretty much developed immunity to these comment as I expect them when I play IWAY. But it's not just iway, it's balenced as well. One time I played with a balenced group as a shock/axe. The group leader told me to just find a monk and stay on it the rest of the match no matter what. (I knew then that it would probably lead to failure right there but I complied) When we lost, the leader told me (Very nicely at least) that "I'm sorry, you suck as a warrior, good bye"

It's annoying, but it happens

ophidian409 · May 10, 2006, 02:41 AM // 02:41

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Originally Posted by Solberg the Exiled

Oh I understand exactly how you feel. When I do play IWAY, it's usualy as the order necro (And I know I'm a pretty darn good one, although I keep that to myself). And a lot of times when we lose, I start to see things "OMG Noob Orders" or "Kick Orders" And I ask why and they reply "We lost because of you didn't heal" perfectly not understanding that

1) Heal party has a recharge time
2) my heal party might have gotten disrupted/shutdowned.

One time I had an opponent Mesmer AND an opponent ranger just sit there ready to stop everything I do. and I couldn't even run away since all those IWAY warriors was body blocking me with them and thier pets. And of course, we lost very fast and of course the comment of "Noob order" starts.

Then again, I have pretty much developed immunity to these comment as I expect them when I play IWAY. But it's not just iway, it's balenced as well. One time I played with a balenced group as a shock/axe. The group leader told me to just find a monk and stay on it the rest of the match no matter what. (I knew then that it would probably lead to failure right there but I complied) When we lost, the leader told me (Very nicely at least) that "I'm sorry, you suck as a warrior, good bye"

It's annoying, but it happens

People always think they are smarter than other, when you are not playing that role you can easily see the problem of others, but when you are in that role you can do nothing about it. Iway player has the same situation as balance, except that iwayers HAVE NO KNOWLEDGE in other professions, without communication they can never improve becasue they rage quit as they like and they never learn, leading to some rank 9 iway nubs. Balance Warrior is difficult to play unless you have a good communication, and you have to explain to people the reason why you are not killing the mesmer etc and why you don't suck.

I can tell I am very much different from those brainless iwayers becasue I have played balance for a long time, when I play as a warrior whether in iway or not,

1) I never overextend and I am always the last who die
2) have the right equipment, such as zealous and ele weapons, hod helm and normal helm, knight boot
3) switch to minor rune against spike group
4) shut down spiker instead of monk
5) body blocking ghostly
6) I am always the first one who res the dead

when I play as a tainted,

1) I bring putrid and cc and set death magic to 16
2) I switch to backup energy set if needed
3) I use bloodstained boot
4) in broken tower, I windborne runner at -4 sec and windborne ghostly at 1 to ensure the ghostly is the first to be on the alter
5) I spam putrid when I have nothing to do to make sure I have all the cropse control
6) I follow to martyr trapper if I am being hit.

No offense, I don't see 90% rank 9+ iwayer have half of the knowledge from the above.

art_ · May 10, 2006, 03:45 AM // 03:45

Yeah, I have a few friends who are ~r9/10 from only IWAY and as much as I can accept that they pretty much know what they are doing when it comes to IWAY* I think they are aware, as much as we are, that principles learned playing IWAY, beyond the basic map objectives, don't make particularly good players of other builds. What I find entertaining though is that a get a lot of them telling me about people that have decent reputations in HA farming fame with IWAY after ebaying their old accounts etc.

All I would say is don't take it all too seriously. =p

*Although we disagree on whether IWAY requires the same skill level of other builds.

Ado · May 10, 2006, 09:53 AM // 09:53

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Originally Posted by art_

Yeah, I have a few friends who are ~r9/10 from only IWAY and as much as I can accept that they pretty much know what they are doing when it comes to IWAY* I think they are aware, as much as we are, that principles learned playing IWAY, beyond the basic map objectives, don't make particularly good players of other builds.

When you're playing a profession you haven't played before there's always some learningcurve involved. I remember when I first started to play as a monk. Boy oh boy, i messed up quite a couple of times, even though i knew the role of a monk in balanced cause I played all the other profession in that build. Knowing when to use which skills, positioning, managing energy, kiting etc, it all comes from experience with the profession you're playing.
The problem when you've played only iway-warrior and then start to play balanced, is that the tactics are totally different. It's not only learning a new profession, but learning a whole new build as well. That can make the change from playing iway to balanced difficult. That doesn't mean however, this person isn't able to learn it, as long as he's willing to do so.
But I don't like the fact that lots of balancedplayers see themselves as more elite than iwayplayers, or those who are flaming players simply cause they are playing iway. Everyone playes the build he likes most. If someone doesn't want to learn balanced, fine, that's his choice.
When it comes to bloodspike, I can call myself a noob. Why? Cause I hardly played it for the simple reason I dont like to play that build. The same goes for playing shockwarrior. I don't play it often cause I prefer playing monk (active prot to be exact) therefor meaning I'm certainly not as capable of playing shockwarrior as someone who is maybe rank 2 but played it all the time. With practise I'm probably able to play it properly but heh, I feel perfectly comfortable with the professions I'm able to play at the moment. At this time I'm just not willing to play anything else than monk for the simple fact I enjoy playing monk very much.
As many ppl have quoted before:

Rank = time spend in HA with the professions and builds you've played with

Zui · May 10, 2006, 11:19 AM // 11:19

You've all pretty much got it.

Majority of HA players = Noobs.

Which is why I try as much as possible to avoid playing there, and when I do play there, I almost always never PUG.

Gotta admit it's hilarious that people who've IWAYed to rank 9 and beyond still don't know how to play IWAY though. Or even understand basic game mechanics, like why that full set of knights armor sucks.

tomcruisejr · May 10, 2006, 02:14 PM // 14:14

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Originally Posted by Kep

couldn't of put it better myself. when you lose to an Iway group just because your a well known guild they instantly start shouting their mouths off, making out their better than you, its been the same since Math Teacher to flipping Rush for Victory Iway farming guild now.

if you played tombs months ago, (which obviously you didnt), before trap-Iway was all you can see in tombs, the so called balanced players trash talked us people who played iway. in forums and outside/inside the tombs, many claimed that iway is free-fame and people used to tell everyone that all iwayers are noobs. it was a dying build and all of the iway guilds before us basically died or moved on(WN, CWz, etc) (maybe because of torture or pressure from the balanced players). there was an unwritten code that only balanced players can demean iway. i remember bad experiences when i was a rank 1-2 trapper. my team just wanted to play, get fair share of fame. but win or lose, we were noobs.

some iwayers took it as a challenge but most tried the after-i-get-r6,-no-more-iway path and just played humbly. in our case, we did the former. we formed math, tried to win (and won) and learned to trash talk back, while not forgetting the fact that the guild's main goal is to get its members the rank they desire. and we did this when "most of the skilled players" were still playing tombs. mano y mano. and to top that, we were notorious by getting rank 9's (from rank whatever) by playing a build that many people back then thought can only give rank 3 or at best rank 6 and we did it way before the boom of rank 9 iwayers. that's why math got a bad rep from balanced players and all and it's still well known up to now.

it always make me smile when i think of the old days. the people who trash talked us so bad and swore not to play iway did play iway and even belonged to our tombs team/guild.

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The fact of the matter is that they are all unskilled players, they put no effort into forming their groups, no thought into making their build, no communication into their play, just grab a group and go, and win because their build is highly over-powered. So yes, they are all brainless pathetic players. Yesterday I played a Euro1 PUG group in underworld, and I have much respect for them at least trying to form a group and trying to succeed, than respect I take for any Iway group.

remember, iway isnt overpowered and respect begets respect.

Outkast · May 10, 2006, 06:21 PM // 18:21

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Originally Posted by Kep

couldn't of put it better myself. when you lose to an Iway group just because your a well known guild they instantly start shouting their mouths off, making out their better than you, its been the same since Math Teacher to flipping Rush for Victory Iway farming guild now.

Ok, and thats coming from possibly the most abusive set of players in Heros Ascent. GG ^^

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Funny thing was, this guy was abusing so much during the game he kept slipping out of his anti-iway ward ball and got wasted about 3 times. lol

The lengths these guys will go to sling their IWAY venom is quite disturbing.

Faction Gambler · May 10, 2006, 06:53 PM // 18:53

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Originally Posted by Outkast

Ok, and thats coming from possibly the most abusive set of players in Heros Ascent. GG ^^

http://img80.imageshack.us/img80/4717/swim9mw.jpg

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Funny thing was, this guy was abusing so much during the game he kept slipping out of his anti-iway ward ball and got wasted about 3 times. lol

The lengths these guys will go to sling their IWAY venom is quite disturbing.

Abusive? In what? Verbal language? You had to go the extra lengths to take pictures to prove that verbal abuse is bad? It's obvious you are tired of people abusing you verbally because of how ridiculous and lame IWAY really is and you apparently dont get it. And I've heard excuses of why IWAY is good but it's just pointless crap. My guild has done extremely well with balanced builds the last several months and we get tired of disrespectful builds like IWAY. So, we talk trash. If you dont like it, thats your problem. We respect alot of people in HA due to their skills and people like you dont deserve any respect from us. And please, dont try to flame us by taking pictures and posting on forums. You make yourself look like a fool. So, GG.

Outkast · May 10, 2006, 07:09 PM // 19:09

1) I took 2 screenshots yesterday after reading the above post by one of your members. I found what he said to be quite laughable having come across your guild a few times.

2) To be honest we don't see a lot of abuse, sure theres always the occasional bit of banter. The odd "IGAY" or "Noob' or whatever. Your guys simply go over board and those pictures didn't show the half of what was served up.

3) I've seen your guys abusing other well known balanced teams in HOH, so it's clearly not limited to iway bashing.

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Originally Posted by Faction Gambler

My guild has done extremely well with balanced builds the last several months and we get tired of disrespectful builds like IWAY.

My word. I've seen arrogance in my life but this is a joke surely? How can a build be so disrespectful to your almighty anti iway build?

Faction Gambler · May 10, 2006, 07:22 PM // 19:22

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Originally Posted by Outkast

1) I took 2 screenshots yesterday after reading the above post by one of your members. I found what he said to be quite laughable having come across your guild a few times.

2) To be honest we don't see a lot of abuse, sure theres always the occasional bit of banter. The odd "IGAY" or "Noob' or whatever. Your guys simply go over board and those pictures didn't show the half of what was served up.

3) I've seen your guys abusing other well known balanced teams in HOH, so it's clearly not limited to iway bashing.

My word. I've seen arrogance in my life but this is a joke surely? How can a build be dispespectful to your almighty balanced?

Read the whole topic then maybe you can summon a better response.

Kep · May 10, 2006, 07:55 PM // 19:55

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Originally Posted by Outkast

3) I've seen your guys abusing other well known balanced teams in HOH, so it's clearly not limited to iway bashing.

You've never seen us abusing other teams which use balanced builds, you've seen maybe us responding to teams who don't use balanced builds. we've been a guild for months now and its annoying to say the least playing game after game the same old ''over-powered'' crap builds, the builds which are the easiest to put together, the easiest to play, and which require the least skill. so yes, I myself have a disliking for ranger spike, all spikes infact, and most definately Iway. Anyone who plays a balanced build gets my utmost respect, unlike what all of you Iway and spike players do. I constantly game after game come across incescent abuse from Iway and spiking players which is un-needed, and they simply abuse us because of who we are.

I find it intently annoying map after map encountering the same build, it sickens me to lose to such dis-respectal players who shout their mouths off thinking their better than you if they win. And if they lose come up with pathetic excuses saving their pride by saying our build is anti-iway. If you see any of us flaming Iway teams its simply because maybe we've had enough of playing the same shit iway groups all the time for the past six months. Personally it disgusts me to see the people who made guild wars obviously supporting Iway and spikes when they are 'un-balanced'' builds, and last month we were meant to be having a balanced update. This game like all other games is meant to be about fair-play, having over-powered builds in the game defys this statement, people wouldn't feel the need to respond to Iway groups and other teams if it wasn't because of this. Its normal to respond to things which are most-obviously unfair.

tomcruisejr · May 10, 2006, 07:59 PM // 19:59

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Originally Posted by Faction Gambler

Read the whole topic then maybe you can summon a better response.

i see Outkast reacted to your guildie's whining about IWAYers trash talking if they beat a "good" group and his disregard about himself doing trash talks to other guilds/groups and iway players.

DC_Ross_Dark · May 10, 2006, 08:10 PM // 20:10

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3) I've seen your guys abusing other well known balanced teams in HOH, so it's clearly not limited to iway bashing.

And you've seen this HOW? i think you'll find that in observer you can't see what is written, or what your implying is that you've actualy BEEN in a balance team, lol. Another point is that all guilds that are actualy good at tombs we respect, because good guilds means balance.

Divineshadows · May 10, 2006, 09:01 PM // 21:01

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Originally Posted by Kep

Personally it disgusts me to see the people who made guild wars obviously supporting Iway and spikes when they are 'un-balanced'' builds, and last month we were meant to be having a balanced update. This game like all other games is meant to be about fair-play, having over-powered builds in the game defys this statement, people wouldn't feel the need to respond to Iway groups and other teams if it wasn't because of this. Its normal to respond to things which are most-obviously unfair.

I see SWIM win halls often (did not realize it was with a balanced build) and find the name of your guild really quite entertaining. My guild has been winning halls using a balanced build as well (quite different from SWIM's build though since we prefer to use two warriors). So how is a balanced build in any way underpowered when compared to other common HA builds?

Your statements though about "fair-play" and "over-powered" just sound like you are projecting rules onto the game of Guild Wars which simply do not exist. The fact is that a good balanced team, a good spike team, and a good IWAY team each of which are using voice communication effectively and have strong, experienced players are all going to be tough to beat. If IWAY or spike builds were truly overpowered as you say, then I think it would be a safe assumption that your guild would be using one of those builds instead to win more often. However, as evidenced by the fact that you continue to use balanced, these builds must not be as overpowered as you say.

How are the makers of Guild Wars obviously supporting IWAY and spike builds? If anything, it is the opposite. Looking back through the game updates I see several cases of the exact opposite -- the change to order of the vampire, the bug correction on IAS buff stacking with IWAY (clearly was broken when the guildwars website explicitly stated that 133% was max increased attack speed), the fix to the edge of extinction spirit range bug (finally), the trigger change for the IWAY skill relating to pets other than your own, and the recharge change to dual shot.

As for trash talk in HA, it happens a lot and is pretty much unavoidable. I think the trash talk is very circular in nature. A lot of teams talk trash to IWAY teams, so IWAY players end up bitter and return the trash talk to other teams even if unprovoked (no initiating trash talk from the other side).