Curse

Kitty Soft · May 23, 2006, 08:04 PM // 20:04

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Originally Posted by ange1

have ur casters wand them trappers~

That only works on the resolve trapper, and while they are trapping.

caffine addict · May 23, 2006, 08:42 PM // 20:42

simple build that kills iway is VIM build.
Uses 6 vim trappers R/W
and 2 vim warriors W/R

vim trappers bring dust,flame,healing,barb,res,qz(or nr,fs) Victory Is Mine,whirl.

vim warrior's bring apply poison and other condition causing skills along with VIM (no iway or pets).

Have your group ball to gether spam traps and spirts ( fs if have upper hand ) TAKE OUT MARTYR FIRST.
If your trappers stay together they spam healing spring and gain energy and heal from VIM. with dust trap iway warriors are useless. Use body blocks to kill off marytr and casters.

important facts

Trapper need to ball up (stay close to heal by others healing spring)
trapper use wand for +10 energy (dont use any Markmanship)
warriors call targets and kill martyr first.
Use vim for energy or heal
keep qz up to spam traps.
STAY TOGETHER warriors can hide in ball if they need to heal up

cons
Blood spike and balanced teams can beat it.
Dual Smite owns it
not effective if players don't know build.

Whitey_chan · Jun 01, 2006, 05:30 AM // 05:30

Ok I have a big question to You ppls: You just keep teling that IWAY sucks but tell me WTF should someone with rank 0 do in HA because everyone just keep telling get lost You noob and only decent team You can find is Iway (yes You can find somethimes balanced team but the 85% of them are totaly out of GW)..?
This is very annoying. If You dont have rank Your a noob, but how could You make rank if no one accept You in a team....?

Zui · Jun 01, 2006, 06:15 AM // 06:15

Well, there's a thread here for pickup groups, plenty of unranked non-iway players there.

Another choice is goto TA, build a friends list, then go with people you know. Or just go with your guild.

There are plenty of options if you don't want to play IWAY.

Sofia Sofia Sofia · Jun 01, 2006, 06:19 PM // 18:19

Humm... has anyone mentioned Soothing + Displacement yet? Alone it won't counter IWAY (I've tried, and failed) but it's one serious step against it no?

Helll is for Heroes · Jun 01, 2006, 06:32 PM // 18:32

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Originally Posted by Whitey_chan

Ok I have a big question to You ppls: You just keep teling that IWAY sucks but tell me WTF should someone with rank 0 do in HA because everyone just keep telling get lost You noob and only decent team You can find is Iway (yes You can find somethimes balanced team but the 85% of them are totaly out of GW)..?
This is very annoying. If You dont have rank Your a noob, but how could You make rank if no one accept You in a team....?

make teams yourself, make guild teams, make alliance teams. There are unranked balanced teams, just very few.

Its how i did it, im at 152 fame with about 8 fame in total trying out IWAY, eoebomb, Minion factory, ViM and all those fame farm builds. Just persevere, my mate, Aundulin of Anor also did the same as me, and hes at rank4 now.

Heck, i think i know enough about HA now so that i deserve rank3. I've been doing HA for 4 months. When i hit rank3, i know i wont be a complete piece of s*** like many rank3 IWAYers.

Want an example? I was in HA, we got together a guild party and we needed a warrior. We got this rank3 warrior and accepeted him in. When we got in, we discovered he was using healing signet, power attack, dolyak signet.
When we lost, he said: "Maybe I should go back to IWAY, i do better there".

Rank only vaguely dictates someones skill level. I get into rank3/6 teams sometimes because i tag along with a few mates, who assures that i am good. And it pays off and they say: "hey helll, youre not too bad after all for being a rank2" and that, in my opinion, is one of the most rewarding things for being rank2, being apt enough to match higher ranks in skill.

Ontopic: To defeat IWAY, i have a earth elementalist that has earthquake+aftershock + wards. You also need esurge mesmers to drain the trappers so they cant trap, and you need a warrior to hunt down the spirits and to hunt down the necros. Another thing, do not ball up against IWAY, its the worst thing to do.

mightyzap · Jun 07, 2006, 12:20 AM // 00:20

uhm the times have changed...

only prob is the rankwhoring didnt so new builds get no entry.

ill tell u 1 glimp for now : Me/Rt > gg IWAY

dbgtboy · Jun 07, 2006, 12:45 PM // 12:45

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Originally Posted by Tigers

The best way to defeat IWAY to me is a Rt/ with Soothing , Displacement , Shelter , Union. It owns IWAY. Today i owned IWAY they stood no chance against it , yes they killed the spirits but they were back up again in no time we won flawless and lost no more then 150 health in total gg ^^

/Tigers

uhmmm no that does not work, unless the iway are complete retards and have no idea you have a ritualist and know idea what the spirits are doing. This thread is kind of funny because I always iway, and the build my guild currently runs has only lost to one build in a 1 vs 1 and totally crushes all the counters in this thread, if you want to post a good counter, run it in ha first and post it after beating a non crap iway.

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Originally Posted by Sofia Sofia Sofia

Humm... has anyone mentioned Soothing + Displacement yet? Alone it won't counter IWAY (I've tried, and failed) but it's one serious step against it no?

displacement will kill itself in no more than 2 seconds and soothing can be easily killed by one of the wars.

lishi · Jun 11, 2006, 09:38 PM // 21:38

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Originally Posted by Kitty Soft

That only works on the resolve trapper, and while they are trapping.

work on all trapper.

The one with whirling defence will have 25% to get the trapper interupted for 18 second, after that its 100% for 40second.

if he have oath shot is still 25% for each guy who wand him

Guillaume De Sonoma · Jun 19, 2006, 06:30 AM // 06:30

Well my guild has gone against some good IWAYs and a big tip is to fish out their pets and kill them so they don't go on to put up a profane on you or the alter.

Morgoth the dark · Jun 19, 2006, 01:20 PM // 13:20

heh put down frozen soil and take them out one by one. (like this tactics with spike

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easy

lord of shadow · Jun 19, 2006, 01:35 PM // 13:35

frozen soil is just about the worst idea in the world against iway, especially when playing spike.

iway can still work to a reaosnable effectiveness with 2-3 people down, what happenes if you permanantly lose a spiker? because of eoe, and iway low healing-high damage philosophy- a game can turn against you in a matter of seconds, you'll be beggin them to kill your frozen soil when that happens

art_ · Jun 19, 2006, 02:07 PM // 14:07

I like using frozen vs iway, as if you survive their initial rush you will likely drop some of them before they can exert enough pressure on your monks to cause serious issues. And warriors which are killing spirits arent hurting your team. But yeah, i guess its a matter of preference.

Jetdoc · Jun 19, 2006, 02:22 PM // 14:22

I agree - Frozen Soil is nice counter, as I find that even playing a balanced group that we are able to take down at least one of the IWAYers in the initial mad rush. Frozen Soil also denies the necros the use of multiple corpses after the first massive pet death.

dare49devil · Jun 19, 2006, 11:12 PM // 23:12

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

uhmmm no that does not work, unless the iway are complete retards and have no idea you have a ritualist and know idea what the spirits are doing. This thread is kind of funny because I always iway, and the build my guild currently runs has only lost to one build in a 1 vs 1 and totally crushes all the counters in this thread, if you want to post a good counter, run it in ha first and post it after beating a non crap iway.

displacement will kill itself in no more than 2 seconds and soothing can be easily killed by one of the wars.

Not GvG. Halls.

Guillaume De Sonoma · Jun 20, 2006, 04:00 AM // 04:00

Displacement will die in 2-3 second gaurnteed versus IWAY. And if they don't kill soothing right away, you will proably beat them anyways.

Lando Griffen · Jun 20, 2006, 04:23 AM // 04:23

Lately, most iway groups have only 4 iways, 1 spirit spammer, 2 order necros, and a ritualist...a build that I've found to be extremely successfull against IWAY, is my guild's single smite build. No longer having to worry about trappers, you basically just rush them and send your mesmers against the necros (we also had a SS/warder instead of tainted for the warriors). without their trappers, they have virtually no defense, and we rolled rank 9+ iway teams in a matter of seconds (not that rank 9 iway means that much). BTW, everyone stop flaming iwayers, it's just a build like any other. People complain that it's overpowered, but any organized team will beat iway 8/10 times. This is a video game, which requires no "skill" as people like to say their cookie cutter balanced builds require, it does however require that you work well with your team members and communicate. Iwayers are fame farmers, it's ok, it's what they do. If you hate them, make sure your team is equipped to beat them, but please stop flaming them. Also, if you don't want people who are new to the game to iway for fame, by all means, teach them how to play. It would seem that the impatience with new players is one thing that iwayers and balanced players have in common, but again, I remind you that there is no "skill" involved in pressing keys on a keyboard. I know I got a little off-topic there, but it annoys me when someone on my team makes a rude comment to an iway team, bottom line, if you beat a team, you say "gg", whether they played well or not, and same thing if you lose to them, everyone has lost to iway at some point and when you do, it's because your team made mistakes, so gg for them

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General Typhus · Jun 20, 2006, 01:02 PM // 13:02

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

uhmmm no that does not work, unless the iway are complete retards and have no idea you have a ritualist and know idea what the spirits are doing. This thread is kind of funny because I always iway, and the build my guild currently runs has only lost to one build in a 1 vs 1 and totally crushes all the counters in this thread, if you want to post a good counter, run it in ha first and post it after beating a non crap iway.

We'd win. No counters, just regular old build. Could almost guarantee a flawless too. Guild iway is the lowest chink in the ladder.

I honestly don't see why IWAY is such a problem for so many people. Just...umm...form a guild group or something and stop giving these turds fame.

Holger · Jun 21, 2006, 09:52 AM // 09:52

i just thought i'd butt in here and say that IWAY is extremely easy to beat.
Not to gloat or anything but i used to invite a bunch of UNRANKED people that i know to come play Blood spike. Believe it or not, Rank 9 iway doesn't look so tough once their necros and rangers bite the dust. Even with the necromancers still up, a continuous aegis chain makes the warriors easy pickings. Now with the ritualists, just get them to pop soothing and displacement. Another thing to consider is that most IWAY has little to no healing besides the Heal party that the Orders necromancer spams in-between orders.

Oberon Shadowking · Jun 21, 2006, 03:53 PM // 15:53

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Originally Posted by Lando Griffen

Bottom line, if you beat a team, you say "gg", whether they played well or not, and same thing if you lose to them, everyone has lost to iway at some point and when you do, it's because your team made mistakes, so gg for them

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Thank you. My thoughts exactly right there. Also the part about new players: as a "new" player to pvp, people can be ruthlessly harsh when I make a mistake, but experienced players neither want to teach me or take me into their groups. It's not necessarily that we newer pvpers are BAD, just that we are inexperienced at what we do. This is way off-topic, but it does need to be said. I have played for 250 hours, all in PvE, so it's not as though I have no knowledge of the game and its mechanics, I have just not got those 250 hours of experience in the PvP arenas. The same is true for the opposite switch: often PvPers will struggle in the world of PvE. However, it is unfortunate, but PvPer new players in PvE don't have any trouble finding groups, while PvE new players in PvP do. Oh well... back to IWAY how to defeats...