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Gosu · Jul 06, 2006, 07:02 PM // 19:02

ack *double posted*

Gosu · Jul 06, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

*double posted*

hated · Jul 06, 2006, 07:19 PM // 19:19

They don't "stack" in the sense that they are added together, as someone said it's like having two shields instead of one, you can miss with one but block with the other.

As for critical defenses being a defense option in pvp, if you do use that try and do it so that when you hit it the enemy doesn't notice somehow. Otherwise have fun watching him walk away for six seconds.

As for flashing blades it does nothing when you're knocked down or not attacking making it less than useful for anything but in your face fighting.

These would only prolong the inevitable however and is no way as good as the defensive abilities of a warrior.

Either or flashing blades and siphon strength are good but are in no way equal ot AoD for defense, offense, and mobility.

If you really want a defense and attack ability might I suggest palm stirke, blinding powder, and unseen fury? Good fun right there.

Guardian of the Light · Jul 06, 2006, 07:26 PM // 19:26

Assassins are good at ganking and 1v1 situations (like flag duels).

They can't go Wammo style and tank everything without a little help from their secondary.

HA= Could be of use but aren't accpeted a lot (this is cookie cutter land)
GvG= Quite useful
RA= Assassins are kings here they can disarm and destoy targets easily
Alliance Battles= Pretty Good Tele comes in handy when capping points.

Greedy Gus · Jul 06, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

Oh jeez...this thread is certainly a winner. Guys talking about tanks, talking about using flashing blades....

Assassins are king at taking out defenseless people 1v1. That's why in GvG they're used for taking out base NPCs and harassing enemy flag runners. They're also useful in ganking overextended warriors. They're pretty strictly not used best at killing people who have monk support, nor are they good at spiking (combo damage is backloaded in that dual attacks are way more powerful than lead and off-hand).

Now you can try to build an assassin to address things they're not great at. If you have to run an assassin in an adrenaline spike build and want them to add to the spike, maybe forego the 'best' combos to get unsuspecting strike in as spike-assist. But generally speaking, there are a few really solid combos and one elite that are quite a bit better than the others that you're pigeon-holed into using.

Isil`Zha · Jul 06, 2006, 07:47 PM // 19:47

One main advantage of Assassins: Assassins decide the terms of engagement with thier movement and teleporting.

Gosu · Jul 06, 2006, 07:49 PM // 19:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Oh jeez...this thread is certainly a winner. Guys talking about tanks, talking about using flashing blades....

Assassins are king at taking out defenseless people 1v1. That's why in GvG they're used for taking out base NPCs and harassing enemy flag runners. They're also useful in ganking overextended warriors. They're pretty strictly not used best at killing people who have monk support, nor are they good at spiking (combo damage is backloaded in that dual attacks are way more powerful than lead and off-hand).

Now you can try to build an assassin to address things they're not great at. If you have to run an assassin in an adrenaline spike build and want them to add to the spike, maybe forego the 'best' combos to get unsuspecting strike in as spike-assist. But generally speaking, there are a few really solid combos and one elite that are quite a bit better than the others that you're pigeon-holed into using.

We already know about how people use assassins nowadays, there is no need to regurgitate common knowledge

the post was in reponse to a comment someone made about assassins not being able to hold their ground, I disagreed with this statement and quickly thought up a theory as to how they might be able to stand their ground,

The build was not presented as something to be used, but just something to indicate assassins could defend themselves if need be

Though it would be a waste to play them in such a capacity as the damage that they can unload would see them put to better use on an offensive front.

kryshnysh · Jul 06, 2006, 07:51 PM // 19:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

Assassins are king at taking out defenseless people 1v1. That's why in GvG they're used for taking out base NPCs and harassing enemy flag runners. They're also useful in ganking overextended warriors. They're pretty strictly not used best at killing people who have monk support, nor are they good at spiking (combo damage is backloaded in that dual attacks are way more powerful than lead and off-hand).

Now you can try to build an assassin to address things they're not great at. If you have to run an assassin in an adrenaline spike build and want them to add to the spike, maybe forego the 'best' combos to get unsuspecting strike in as spike-assist. But generally speaking, there are a few really solid combos and one elite that are quite a bit better than the others that you're pigeon-holed into using.

QFT.

If you want to use one in a melee at the stand, you're generally gimped compared a good warrior. You can use them at the stand if tactics require it, but you should ideally have them set to split off if possible. If you are facing two monks, don't expect to kill one on your own unless your team has shut down the other monk completely... and even then, only against bad monks or lots of good support form your team.

If you want to sneak in and kill a monk as you have it, you're probably looking for a warrior, or a team build that forces their monks to split, and then you still need to work out a team build to do it if you want to pull it off more than occasionally.

Greedy Gus · Jul 06, 2006, 09:37 PM // 21:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gosu

We already know about how people use assassins nowadays, there is no need to regurgitate common knowledge

There is apparently a need to reiterate over and over. Not everyone knows how assassins play out, as shown by the dozens of posts in assassin threads showing a lack of understanding. Here, the OP asked if assassins are viable in GvG play, he didn't ask for people to pimp their crappy theory builds.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gosu

the post was in reponse to a comment someone made about assassins not being able to hold their ground, I disagreed with this statement and quickly thought up a theory as to how they might be able to stand their ground,

The build was not presented as something to be used, but just something to indicate assassins could defend themselves if need be

Though it would be a waste to play them in such a capacity as the damage that they can unload would see them put to better use on an offensive front.

Yes a waste. Kind of like posting about it? Any class or build can "hold their own" if they bring crappy skills that gimp their effectiveness; I don't see how it is relevant at all in a topic about asking if he can become a good PvP assassin in the current environment.

Helll is for Heroes · Jul 06, 2006, 10:03 PM // 22:03

Assassins are very good in dual smite with the smiters stopping the assassin's AL 70 fom being too troublesome.

they are also good solo in GvG.

they also pwn RA where there is usually max 1 monk.

MagicShrooms · Jul 07, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03

I want to do the high level of play GvG and maybe HoH. Right now, I'm doing RA/TA with my shock warrior and trying to learn game mechanics, learn the maps and how to use terrain to my advantage, etc. I have never really done GvG yet so I'd place myself at noob level, but rising rapidly.

You guys gave me a pretty good picture of what the Assassin does in GvG, thanks.

Oh and move this to GvG, I think it belongs there more than here because my main focus is the class in GvG environment.

sir lockt · Jul 07, 2006, 07:05 AM // 07:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by lilnate22

king of 1v1?? lol good joke...v an assain wont stand a chance w/ a tank 1v1

but they do however serve a great role in gvg
2 assasins wrkin 2gether can take out most of the npcs

LOL just check out the playoff game of WM... double sin... and repost again pls... King of 1v1.. yes indeed.. king of 6 vs 2 as well...

Bodyguards down in 1 min 30.. that is what I would call competative I think... And take the warrior down as well just for fun...

A single sin can take down all NPCs in 5 mins...bodyguards in 7... Lord is a bigger issue, because he is damage limited at that moment... but still.

Greatest advantage I see is that you force a split. The enemy have to withdraw at least some to deal with the sin. A good teleporting sin can let his opponent run in circles, while making occasional kills if needed. They can take down runners or slow these at least down.

SO yes they are valuable.. but remember.. a sin is A CASTER (AL, energy..) so dont use it as a warrior

Gosu · Jul 07, 2006, 09:35 AM // 09:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by Greedy Gus

There is apparently a need to reiterate over and over. Not everyone knows how assassins play out, as shown by the dozens of posts in assassin threads showing a lack of understanding. Here, the OP asked if assassins are viable in GvG play, he didn't ask for people to pimp their crappy theory builds.

Yes a waste. Kind of like posting about it? Any class or build can "hold their own" if they bring crappy skills that gimp their effectiveness; I don't see how it is relevant at all in a topic about asking if he can become a good PvP assassin in the current environment.

I take it from your first paragraph that you have a problem reading something then computing it in your head so let me explain.So you might grasp it a bit clearer.

if you actually go back to the intial theory post it was made in conjunction to an opinion that someone had about assassins "later on in the thread" not holding their own i was simple stating a way how they might be able to, whether it be crappy or no.

Now before you respond back with flames fully read my intial post, stop then think and only then come back.

As i said it wasn't a build to be used, it was just something to indicate to that particular poster that they could defend themselves if certain skills were taken.

Thereby trying to disprove his/her point that assassins couldn't stand their ground and take care of themselves

Greedy Gus · Jul 07, 2006, 11:05 AM // 11:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gosu

I take it from your first paragraph that you have a problem reading something then computing it in your head so let me explain.So you might grasp it a bit clearer.

if you actually go back to the intial theory post it was made in conjunction to an opinion that someone had about assassins "later on in the thread" not holding their own i was simple stating a way how they might be able to, whether it be crappy or no.

Now before you respond back with flames fully read my intial post, stop then think and only then come back.

As i said it wasn't a build to be used, it was just something to indicate to that particular poster that they could defend themselves if certain skills were taken.

Thereby trying to disprove his/her point that assassins couldn't stand their ground and take care of themselves

And I should never have dignified your point with a response. It's just taken the thread more off-topic. But I'd rather cut stupidity off wherever I see it, rather than see this board turn into crap again. I can say a mesmer/monk can hold his own in the enemy's backline by bringing healing hands or mark of protection. Would that add anything constructive to any argument?

You were responding to someone who was talking about assassins in a realistic GvG scenario, and you posted some theory defensive assassin build that you admitted would be trash to bring to an actual battle.

JR · Jul 07, 2006, 12:58 PM // 12:58

This thread is like a lame horse.