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TheOneMephisto · Jul 04, 2006, 10:19 PM // 22:19

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

But its not as good as them. Hmm, which is going to ruin the rank system more. A build that gives u 15-30 fame runs or a build that allows you to hold halls many, many times. Tough choice.

The thing is that one of the builds allows 8 players to hold halls for a long time. The other build allows any random player with a couple of unlocks to get 15-30 fame runs. IWAY simpmly allowed the masses to gain rank, which spirit spam allowed only a couple of players to gain rank, albeit much more rank for those couple of players.

phasola · Jul 04, 2006, 11:44 PM // 23:44

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The other day I pugged 2 r9+ orders necros that didn't know how to kite. They just stood there while mesmers were hexing 'em up and warriors smashing at 'em. Not even trying to kite. When I asked them why they aren't kiting they ask me what kiting is -_-

that's the problem right there...

anonymous · Jul 05, 2006, 12:54 AM // 00:54

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

The thing is that one of the builds allows 8 players to hold halls for a long time. The other build allows any random player with a couple of unlocks to get 15-30 fame runs. IWAY simpmly allowed the masses to gain rank, which spirit spam allowed only a couple of players to gain rank, albeit much more rank for those couple of players.

And what is wrong with masses getting rank? You cant exclude them until you get a higher rank? If people would let under ranked people in their balanced groups alot of them wouldnt iway, i ask around why people play iway and most of them say so i can get fame to play other builds.

Thom Bangalter · Jul 05, 2006, 09:21 AM // 09:21

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Originally Posted by Lando Griffen

I've played balanced and iway...I just hate people who complain about stuff like that. When I play "balanced", we beat most iway teams, when I play iway, we beat most "balanced" teams. Please anet, nerf having fun

Anyway, the reason is because people in general are retarded. Don't choose a side, just hate everyone

I might have a signature now. all too true.

TheOneMephisto · Jul 05, 2006, 01:39 PM // 13:39

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Originally Posted by anonymous

And what is wrong with masses getting rank? You cant exclude them until you get a higher rank? If people would let under ranked people in their balanced groups alot of them wouldnt iway, i ask around why people play iway and most of them say so i can get fame to play other builds.

I assume that the rank system wasn't meant to give the masses rank. Even though it was broken from the start, I assume that it was actually meant to be an indicator of skill. Also, the masses having rank tends to exclude new players, since all they see is r3+, 6+, or 9+ groups, even for IWAY. You might as well just destroy the rank system if you have everyone having rank except for new players.

tomcruisejr · Jul 05, 2006, 03:24 PM // 15:24

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

I assume that the rank system wasn't meant to give the masses rank.

huh?

rank system is there to reward teams that win tombs matches. if the masses can win, then they get their rank.

the people who value rank so much is to blame for not wanting masses to get fame. not the rank system.

God Apprentice · Jul 05, 2006, 06:31 PM // 18:31

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

actually its kinda the other way around, its almost always the balanced team trash talking the iway and thinkin that they are so great.

Yeah you ever notice when you /rank emote and someone will run over and say "OMG it's an IWAY noob with his/her IWAY Deer,Wolf,Tiger"

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Also, how come a top guilds such as iA, Te, iGi, iQ, etc. never trash talkers IWAY? Because they can roll through it no problem, so they have no reason to complain about it.

I came up against [Te] on Scarred Earth with an unranked IWAY pug and even though we beat them it was a real close match. It was suprising and very well played and as you stated here we didnt get flamed just cause we were IWAY

Which made me respect [Te] for that, unlike a few other guilds on the ladder who were not so nice.

Aryn Rand · Jul 05, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18

So you beat some of the best players in the game with an unranked IWAY? Do you still think that IWAY is not in need of a nerf?
The only ever team I had a runner from a high ranked team was a MATH w/r. Since we dident have slow downs in the build he just keept runnign and staying alive with the IWAY skill.

I never gotten so much trash talk from any build and aloot from MATH. 1 IWAY said free fame when they set off EOE bomb killing everyone on courtyard exept 2 ghostlys and there ghostly killed the other one. Pure luck. Still they started trash talking.

1 of the reasons tombs is stale is the need to take insane warrior counters because of IWAY. There is no 2 warrior builds exept smite because of all the warriors counters.

The reason that balanced need the traditional 3 monk backline and cant really experient unless they have a really good group is because of IWAY. Its also way more han 10-15% that plays it in toms. Just check out ID1.

Phe Belladona · Jul 05, 2006, 08:47 PM // 20:47

i play mesmer (i <3 them so) and i suppose that my problem with iway is the fact that if you fight a noobie (not meant as offense) balanced team you'll win, but fight a noobie iway team and are slaughtering them and they drop EoE (purely by coincidence and not thinking its a good time) you can still lose even tho you dont DESERVE too...

but both camps are extremely rank crazy even tho they seem to shout "rank means nothing" (im aware this is largely on the balanced side) every 5 mins. so because of my statement above lots of new pvpers go iwaying - and that in turn causes the "rank means nothing!" and the new players with now higher rank demanding r3+ from then on, its a vicious cycle.

iway when done well deserves all the respect of any other build done well - but it is a part of that annoying cycle that has coiled itself around the throat of HA.

mesmers forever, ciao

Outkast · Jul 05, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

W/R in IWAY groups are actually just people who have no idea about tactics and planning,they just run around and waste their adrenaline on someone.

You'd be suprised what a difference there is between 4 decent iway warriors and 4 stereotypical iway wars as you've just described. Here's a few examples:-

A decent warrior will follow/call targets, sometimes doubling up on targets and would be expected to interupt aegis's/healing seeds etc... Although an exceptional warrior can and will interupt a ward against melee.

Decent iway warriors rarely overextend but will also ensure opposing overextenders are punished. Good warriors will drop in and out of danger areas depending on health and would usually not stand beneath meteor showers or sit in a bed of coals.

If a warrior has been assigned a task, (Wild Blow for example) they will make sure opposing trappers/spirit spammers are unable to operate.

They would also be expected to know when to run relics/orbs and how to body block opposing ghostly/players.

Sure, the roll of an iway warrior is not exactly rocket science but believe me there is a difference.

Wasteland Squidget · Jul 06, 2006, 12:22 AM // 00:22

Less e-drama. Keep this thread clean and without a lot of references to 'R9 IWAY nubsauces.'

Aryn Rand · Jul 06, 2006, 01:20 AM // 01:20

Exceptional warrior? For interupting wards. In a balanced build I am expected to interupt wards. I am expected to disrupt defence or offence. Its not like I call myself exceptional just because I can interupt a 1 second cast.

Everything you mentioned in that post, is needed by a every singel balanced warrior.

God Apprentice · Jul 06, 2006, 05:09 AM // 05:09

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

So you beat some of the best players in the game with an unranked IWAY? Do you still think that IWAY is not in need of a nerf?

This was before Factions when IWAY was 4 W/R, 1 R/Mo martyr, 1 R/Me Trapper, 1 N/Mo orders and 1 N/E taint, Before IWAY started using OoA

But to answer your question no IWAY doesnt need a nerf it has in the past been nerfed already. Do I think OoA needs a nerf? Perhaps but I havent played Halls in a month so I havent seen this newer version of IWAY so to say

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

Let me say one thing so you can stop discussion about IWAY is bad/not bad and get back on topic. Only people in IWAY groups who actually know what they're doing and why are they doing it are necros and trappers. Co-ordination between necros and trappers has to be really good if you want your IWAY group to win. That's the only reason why IWAY wins. W/R in IWAY groups are actually just people who have no idea about tactics and planning,they just run around and waste their adrenaline on someone.

The group I ran was more than just a pug we actually would get together and play though were were not all in the same guild. Coordination isnt just with the necros and trappers. For example we had another war leading us once and we lost a few times and he decided to leave. When I took command (and I was a W/R mind you) we went and won and I would issue commands and targets on the fly. That shows I didnt just go waste my adrenaline on people we had tactics that evolved as we fought teams. When we came against ViM I would have the Taint drop a nuke and after 2 seconds have the wars rush the line with the trappers along side us. Is that not a tactic? Though it may not appear it on our team chat you would see the commands being issued.

lord of shadow · Jul 06, 2006, 07:17 AM // 07:17

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

1 of the reasons tombs is stale is the need to take insane warrior counters because of IWAY. There is no 2 warrior builds exept smite because of all the warriors counters.

The reason that balanced need the traditional 3 monk backline and cant really experient unless they have a really good group is because of IWAY. Its also way more han 10-15% that plays it in toms. Just check out ID1.

Warriors need counters because their DPS is insanely powerful- there is a huge amount of warrior hate in gvg- is that just in case somebody plays iway?

There is a three monk backline in HA because of the stupid way tombs maps are set out: the only reason you need more than one copy of healing seed as well as spellbreaker is because of the fact you have to keep a non-kiting npc on an altar for 10 mins- that is the only reason for the 3-monk backline in HA, not because your team can't deal with iway.

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

Exceptional warrior? For interupting wards. In a balanced build I am expected to interupt wards. I am expected to disrupt defence or offence. Its not like I call myself exceptional just because I can interupt a 1 second cast.

ward=1s cast
distracting blow= 0.5s activation
0.5s reaction time is pretty good actually.

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Originally Posted by Aryn Rand

Everything you mentioned in that post, is needed by a every singel balanced warrior.

That was exactly his point... that iway requires the same skill as any other kind of warrior, not that groundbreaking is it?

art_ · Jul 06, 2006, 07:25 AM // 07:25

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Originally Posted by lord of shadow

That was exactly his point... that iway requires the same skill as any other kind of warrior, not that groundbreaking is it?

My point is that IWAY is the most powerful build in tombs atm, and has always been extremely powerful. Thus in my opinion people that run IWAY haven't proven themselves to be skilled until they can enjoy similar success with other builds.

DC_Ross_Dark · Jul 06, 2006, 07:32 AM // 07:32

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Originally Posted by lord of shadow

That was exactly his point... that iway requires the same skill as any other kind of warrior, not that groundbreaking is it?

C+Space ftw? Does not require the same skill. The amount of times i've seen IWAY warriors running around halls like a bunch of headless chickens is a joke, they are oblivious to who is holding the altar and mearly target whoever is closest to them. Probably the reason i hate this build so much, it's played by idiots who are to lazy to gain fame in a way that actualy takes some effort.

Thom Bangalter · Jul 06, 2006, 08:30 AM // 08:30

I should also note, that the only time I really hate Iway is when the prevent us from capping the altar, meaning i lose out on a sigil....

phasola · Jul 06, 2006, 09:49 AM // 09:49

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That was exactly his point... that iway requires the same skill as any other kind of warrior, not that groundbreaking is it?

have 90% of the w/r our there run a warrior in balanced and u'll cry

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I should also note, that the only time I really hate Iway is when the prevent us from capping the altar, meaning i lose out on a sigil....

2 iways with pets on altra =

Aryn Rand · Jul 06, 2006, 10:19 AM // 10:19

05 reacting is a joke actually. Most should have a 0.25 and some mesmers/rangers have even better reaction.

Interupting orison(1 second cast) with a a 0.5 second draw time and x ammount of fly time on the arrow.

I cant say every singel IWAY player out ther is crap because there are exeptions.
But what I can say is that the majority of sucky ranked players are IWAY.
Its quite possible imposible keep anyone alive when there not kiting agaisnt a OoA IWAY.
The build strength makes up for player weakness. Should that be the way to get fame?

dbgtboy · Jul 06, 2006, 01:05 PM // 13:05

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Originally Posted by DC_Ross_Dark

C+Space ftw? Does not require the same skill. The amount of times i've seen IWAY warriors running around halls like a bunch of headless chickens is a joke, they are oblivious to who is holding the altar and mearly target whoever is closest to them. Probably the reason i hate this build so much, it's played by idiots who are to lazy to gain fame in a way that actualy takes some effort.

C + space? and those headless chickens have beaten you many times in halls, and youre just making an excuse to why you lost so you wont feel like you suck. Seriously, plz dont post bs just because you lose to iway constantly. My friend who always plays balanced even said that iway at the top level is probably harder to play than a balanced build and requires a lot of coordination (hes nearly r12 and has played tons of different builds, so ill take his word for it).