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Ecomancer · Jul 19, 2006, 06:44 PM // 18:44

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Originally Posted by Mental Leteci

Oh God,I didn't even read the rest of your post after this. Have you been away for a while?

I am intrigued it seems you didn't like my classification of bonds and enchantments or that you think OoA is too godly, either way, its your choice to be ignorant.

Dinkytowner · Jul 19, 2006, 06:47 PM // 18:47

Leteci, I really don't understand why someone like you would be so pissed about iway. When I see screenies you post and when I see you and your guild mates in HA you are always playing with guilds like [ugly] and [miLk] (don't think I got that tag right, but you get the idea) to name a couple. You are definately not playing with scrubs and I'm pretty sure you aren't bad yourself. Why does iway make you so obviously upset? I can't imagine you lose to many of the unranked morons crowding up the first two lobby districts. I am positive you know how to beat iway and I'm sure you do it quite frequently. Why all the flaming around here? Maybe you just like getting Yunas fired up? Please, help me understand.

llsektorll · Jul 19, 2006, 06:54 PM // 18:54

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

If the r3 group had an exped caller they would DOMINATE the iway team. MATH are unranked when it comes to spike (like no exp with it) but when they had a good caller, they kicked ass and took names. What does that tell you? People with no spiking experience get a good caller and they own.

IWAY is not an easier build to run. Lets compare them.

Offensive: With spike its just my target spike in 3 2 1. Then you hit your spike skill. Difficult stuff.

You are obviously missing something here sir.... ahem let me clarify..

1. You need a GOOD CALLER for SPikES.... iway can roll with anything...
2. You need GOOD MONKS for spikes... whole purpose of IWAY is to die and rez
3. You need You need no lag .... iway can have error7 and still win
4. You need voice comm.... iway needs nothing they can do their thing and get fame then go in again
5. You need good spikers, you can't spike with noobs and get imperfect spikes... iway you can get pugs and still own

well i don't know about u but the facts are clear... things u failed to mention do make a difference... know what ur talking about before you say it.... i don't hate u i feel pity for you that you can't run anything else...

dbgtboy · Jul 19, 2006, 06:56 PM // 18:56

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Thats very interesting, you don't IWAY fro respect, then what do you IWAY for? Let me guess, for the superficial satisfaction in getting rank 9 or rank 12 with the least amount of skill and most amount of button bashing possible. Also FYI atleast half the statistics posted on forums such as this are entirely made up by the poster..

play for fun maybe? if you are playing to get the respect of other players across the internet than you are a dumbass and should uninstall the game.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Please do inform us when you were successful playing the easier builds, I think you have tried the button bashing one long enough. Problem is, as far as I am aware, most IWAYers don't know how to play other roles and builds because they have been accustomed to IWAYfor so long. Its sad really, but I guess you can't blame them either, if they like the pickup-and-play with some button bashing type of game, then thats their choice isn't it.

i have been invited to play balanced with a top 16 guild in ha many times, but declined most of them because i do not play balanced and when i did accept i was told that i was doing pretty good. I have done one of the easier builds you speak of called bloodspike, i called a friend and told him that we should form one, we picked up a couple of pugs and had one of the pugs to call for us (he wasnt even an exp caller), we ended up getting to halls and holding for 4 games only to lose the altar because one of the prot necs had to leave when we were facing an iway (no chain aegis ftl). A totally inexperienced bloodspike group with 2 iwayers in it and no experienced caller went through most of the maps with ease and held halls, what does that tell you about the skill level involved?

Yunas Ele · Jul 19, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Thats very interesting, you don't IWAY fro respect, then what do you IWAY for? Let me guess, for the superficial satisfaction in getting rank 9 or rank 12 with the least amount of skill and most amount of button bashing possible. Also FYI atleast half the statistics posted on forums such as this are entirely made up by the poster..

I play for fun. Incase you're forgotten, guild wars is a game. Games were generally made for entertainment purposes although I think a lot of GW players have forgotten that. IWAY isn't button bashing. Please come play in a good IWAY team and then say that, thanks.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Actually, spiking is not the most basic concept of the game, its onep of the many concepts of the game, as in, not all builds and kills are spike reliant. I suppose you haven't come across them as yet for you are confined to your IWAY build.

Im talking about pure spike builds like blood and r-spike, not pressure builds with spiking ability, which are quite popular in GvG. Even if I only played IWAY (which isn't true, btw), I'd still of been exposed to these builds so I don't know why you're saying stupid things like that.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Also, its not only the caller that has to be skilled. Everyone has to show skill otherwise collectively the team will go nowhere. Even so, sometimes the caller overlooks something which the team will draw attention to, so to say that the caller has to be the only skilled player is not true.

A good caller will not overlook anything important. The caller is what makes or breaks a spike team.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Please do inform us when you were successful playing the easier builds, I think you have tried the button bashing one long enough. Problem is, as far as I am aware, most IWAYers don't know how to play other roles and builds because they have been accustomed to IWAYfor so long. Its sad really, but I guess you can't blame them either, if they like the pickup-and-play with some button bashing type of game, then thats their choice isn't it.

Lets see, I've played in Noble Savage's monkway (not some pug trying to steal his build, was actually with him), played in some PUG blood spikes that held a few times. Been invited to r-spike with natures renewal (leader of deer) but I was busy at the time. But I don't have tons of exp spiking, I give u that.

However, a team of "IWAY scrubs" (MATH) dominated halls with a good caller alone. Whats that tell you?

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

1. You need a GOOD CALLER for SPikES.... iway can roll with anything...
2. You need GOOD MONKS for spikes... whole purpose of IWAY is to die and rez
3. You need You need no lag .... iway can have error7 and still win
4. You need voice comm.... iway needs nothing they can do their thing and get fame then go in again
5. You need good spikers, you can't spike with noobs and get imperfect spikes... iway you can get pugs and still own

well i don't know about u but the facts are clear... things u failed to mention do make a difference... know what ur talking about before you say it.... i don't hate u i feel pity for you that you can't run anything else...

1. Never denied that. The caller is what makes or breaks the spike.
2. Maybe in like FC air spike but in other spikes like b-spike u got all your spikers carrying massive defense too. With so much defense, I don't who your trying to kid by saying monking for spike is difficult.
3. If you lose to an IWAY with err7 its because you suck, not because a 7 person build is over powered.
4. Only reason for voice comm is for 3 2 1. If guild wars had a feature were you could do like a bind were it counts down in text for you by pressing a key, voice comm wouldn't be needed in spike.
5. Sorry, didn't realize it was hard to all press your key at 1.

dbgtboy · Jul 19, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

You are obviously missing something here sir.... ahem let me clarify..

1. You need a GOOD CALLER for SPikES.... iway can roll with anything...
5. You need good spikers, you can't spike with noobs and get imperfect spikes... iway you can get pugs and still own

read my above post and think of what you posted again, our spikes were nowhere near perfect and we still owned, and our caller was inexperienced.

Ecomancer · Jul 19, 2006, 07:03 PM // 19:03

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

i have been invited to play balanced with a top 16 guild in ha many times, but declined most of them because i do not play balanced and when i did accept i was told that i was doing pretty good. I have done one of the easier builds you speak of called bloodspike, i called a friend and told him that we should form one, we picked up a couple of pugs and had one of the pugs to call for us (he wasnt even an exp caller), we ended up getting to halls and holding for 4 games only to lose the altar because one of the prot necs had to leave when we were facing an iway (no chain aegis ftl). A totally inexperienced bloodspike group with 2 iwayers in it and no experienced caller[ went through most of the maps with ease and held halls, what does that tell you about the skill level involved?

Thanks for sharing your story but a few things; I never proffessed that blood spike was easier or harder - it was you. And it tells me nothing other than that there were 2 inexperienced players with possibly 6 experienced players. And as far as the caller is concerned, like I said earlier and had you paid close attention to the post, "Also, its not only the caller that has to be skilled."

I do enjoy reading stories like this when IWAYERS join top 16 GVG guilds to play in Heroes Ascent, most exciting stuff.

llsektorll · Jul 19, 2006, 07:06 PM // 19:06

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Originally Posted by dbgtboy

read my above post and think of what you posted again, our spikes were nowhere near perfect and we still owned, and our caller was inexperienced.

wait wait... wTF??? math runs something other than IWAY?? ZOMG... THE earth is crumbling beneath me!!!

Sir Aurik · Jul 19, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

wow this topic is so sad.. Its basically all the iway nubs defending the only builds they know how to play... I wish Yuna would quit saying IMO cause noone really cares about your opinion yuna.. you cant play anything but iway... everyone in tombs that doesnt play iway hates you, your in MATH, and iway takes no skill, its a build that random rank 0 pve droknars runners can come run and get rank 3.. Then they show thier bambi under the bridge and get higher ranked groups.. Then after a couple of months of pressing c + space eviscerate and edge bombing halls they finally get there rank 9 that they "earned" becuase they are talented in pvp/HA.. Then when they can show thier little iway tiger they leave there pve guild the draon slayers of ascalon and get to join MATH.. I wish iway would have never been made so tombs would acually be fun again... Plz close this topic and every other topic that has to do with iway...

Ecomancer · Jul 19, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

I play for fun. Incase you're forgotten, guild wars is a game. Games were generally made for entertainment purposes although I think a lot of GW players have forgotten that. IWAY isn't button bashing. Please come play in a good IWAY team and then say that, thanks.

No I haven't forgotten that Guild Wars is for fun. There is no such thing as a "good IWAY team" or "team" for that matter because no team as above another team.

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Im talking about pure spike builds like blood and r-spike, not pressure builds with spiking ability, which are quite popular in GvG. Even if I only played IWAY (which isn't true, btw), I'd still of been exposed to these builds so I don't know why you're saying stupid things like that.

Please tell me what part of my previous post was according to you, "stupid" so I can go about making myself sound more intelligent in my next posts. Thank you.

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A good caller will not overlook anything important. The caller is what makes or breaks a spike team.

A caller does not make or break a team, read the post by dbgtboy "A totally inexperienced bloodspike group with 2 iwayers in it and no experienced caller went through most of the maps with ease and held halls, what does that tell you about the skill level involved?" So according to your theory, that team should have been broken before they were even at the stage of holding halls.

Teh Mighty Warrior · Jul 19, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

1. You need a GOOD CALLER for SPikES.... iway can roll with anything...
2. You need GOOD MONKS for spikes... whole purpose of IWAY is to die and rez
3. You need You need no lag .... iway can have error7 and still win
4. You need voice comm.... iway needs nothing they can do their thing and get fame then go in again
5. You need good spikers, you can't spike with noobs and get imperfect spikes... iway you can get pugs and still own

well i don't know about u but the facts are clear... things u failed to mention do make a difference... know what ur talking about before you say it....

1. THE only thing spike groups need is a good caller. Everyone else just has to be decent and know how to press a button when the "big guy" says to.

2. Good monks...you need good monks in any build. And the whole purpose of IWAY isnt to die, don't say stupid comments like that just to spam up this thread. You are wasting my time and yours. When do you NOT need good monks to win? Even iway needs good monks (the necros) to win.

3. No lag, what the hell does that have to do with skill. Iway can have an err7 and win...so can any other team.

4. Most competant teams I come across use voice com, don't talk about things you don't know about.

5. Good spikers my ass, all they have to do is know how to count down from three and press a button.

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

i don't hate u i feel pity for you that you can't run anything else...

This sounds pretty funny coming from someone in Grawls Gone Wild, seeing as the only thing they can f'cking do is rspike.

llsektorll · Jul 19, 2006, 07:13 PM // 19:13

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Originally Posted by Sir Aurik

wow this topic is so sad.. Its basically all the iway nubs defending the only builds they know how to play... I wish Yuna would quit saying IMO cause noone really cares about your opinion yuna.. you cant play anything but iway... everyone in tombs that doesnt play iway hates you, your in MATH, and iway takes no skill, its a build that random rank 0 pve droknars runners can come run and get rank 3.. Then they show thier bambi under the bridge and get higher ranked groups.. Then after a couple of months of pressing c + space eviscerate and edge bombing halls they finally get there rank 9 that they "earned" becuase they are talented in pvp/HA.. Then when they can show thier little iway tiger they leave there pve guild the draon slayers of ascalon and get to join MATH.. I wish iway would have never been made so tombs would acually be fun again... Plz close this topic and every other topic that has to do with iway...

/kneel... couldn't have said it better myself

axe · Jul 19, 2006, 07:16 PM // 19:16

So some of the best players in the game are trying to argue, that because they win with a build, its because the build is overpowered or simple to play.

Read that a few times. If you want to test how "easy" a build is to win with then you MUST go into an unranked pug. If the BEST pvp players in the game use a build that is good for the HA environment I EXPECT them to win, it doesnt prove anything. Winning in a good group makes sense regardless of the build.

The IWAY haters, go get in an unranked IWAY PUG and see if you get past burial mounds, if you do you had to work HARD to get that far. For the IWAYers go in an unranked Bloodspike pug and see how it goes, I doubt youll get far.

Best players using best builds = Wins, I dont think this thread is proving anything

And if you do that and win HOH and hold, then I guess I have no choice but to uninstall the game, because I have yet to win HOH in an unranked PUG.

llsektorll · Jul 19, 2006, 07:21 PM // 19:21

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Originally Posted by Teh Mighty Warrior

1. ALL spike groups need is a good caller. Everyone else just has to be decent and know how to press a button when the "big guy" says to.

2. Good monks...you need good monks in any build. And the whole purpose of IWAY isnt to die, don't say stupid comments like that just to spam up this thread. You are wasting my time and yours. When do you NOT need good monks to win? Even iway needs good monks (the necros) to win.

3. No lag, what the hell does that have to do with skill. Iway can have an err7 and win...so can any other team.

4. I agree with that. Only thing IMO that should be changed. Even though there really isn't a need for vent/ts for iway.

5. Good spikers my ass, all they have to do is know how to count down from 3 and press a button.

This sounds pretty funny coming from someone in grawls gone wild, seeing as the only thing they can f'cking do is rspike.

last seasons build is what we did because it was the most fun to us... i havn't run rspike in over a month. Unless your brain dead you'd notice we've been holding with nr tranq numerious times...

Ok i'm not here to defend spike im here to bash iway and that i will... ok so answer me why all the unranked poeple run iway?... why do math run iway but never get anywhere in GvG?.... if pressing 1..2..3 is all there is to rspike why couldn't u be ranked top100... if good necros are needed then why do all they have to do is Spam OoA and OoP far away inside radar range... if waiting on adrenaline then hitting a target is hard then why don't all the noobs do it?... o wait they already do..... if iway wasn't for noobs then why do all the noobs run it?

Big_L · Jul 19, 2006, 07:25 PM // 19:25

you know how sometimes you see newer players that come from pve, and they might say things like "I'm a Me/E with degen and water damage." And then you think to yourself, "wow that person is a noob because they dont understand the concept of building to fit a team and not confining your play to a single set of 8 skills." It seems kinda boring doesn't it?

To complete the analogy, thats what many of the most competitive players in this game think of players who stick to builds like iway and ranger spike all day. (or any other single build for the most of their pvp time in gw)

Thats not to say there is anything wrong with it, just as there is nothing wrong with the degen water hexer, if thats truely what they like to do. Its just a little naive and ignorant, no? Especially when the degen water hexer beats pve, gets a big ego, and thinks they are just as good with the other hundereds of skills they have access to, but never used. Maybe a different person who beat pve using a vast array of class combinations and skills is a jerk, but their arrogance is a little more deserved, would you agree? If the analogy isn't clear, I apologize.

Kyle The Piemaster · Jul 19, 2006, 07:27 PM // 19:27

We decided to run a build that uses OoA because, as we all know, its the most broken skill in the game. While we were playing the build, we made the mistake of underestimating how broken OoA is. Our initial plan was to try to keep enough pressure to keep their monks busy, then spike a target as we saw fit. However, everything died too fast to even call a target, as you can see in these screenshots. Sadly some of these even resemble an eoe bomb...thats how overpowered OoA is.

Yunas Ele · Jul 19, 2006, 07:28 PM // 19:28

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

wait wait... wTF??? math runs something other than IWAY?? ZOMG... THE earth is crumbling beneath me!!!

Yup, and they held halls longer than [gRwL] ever has and probably ever will with it.

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Originally Posted by Sir Aurik

wow this topic is so sad.. Its basically all the iway nubs defending the only builds they know how to play... I wish Yuna would quit saying IMO cause noone really cares about your opinion yuna.. you cant play anything but iway... everyone in tombs that doesnt play iway hates you, your in MATH, and iway takes no skill, its a build that random rank 0 pve droknars runners can come run and get rank 3.. Then they show thier bambi under the bridge and get higher ranked groups.. Then after a couple of months of pressing c + space eviscerate and edge bombing halls they finally get there rank 9 that they "earned" becuase they are talented in pvp/HA.. Then when they can show thier little iway tiger they leave there pve guild the draon slayers of ascalon and get to join MATH.. I wish iway would have never been made so tombs would acually be fun again... Plz close this topic and every other topic that has to do with iway...

I don't care if you don't care about my opinion. I bring up some valid points that you can't seem to argue against. I can play builds other than IWAY. You don't know me, you haven't seen me play other builds so stop jumping to conclusions. To play IWAY sucsesfully does take skill but you've never played in a good IWAY so you wouldn't know this. Theres more to IWAY then crap you posted.

The only ppl in guild wars that don't like me are noobs that can't beat IWAY and cry about it, such as yourself.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Please tell me what part of my previous post was according to you, "stupid" so I can go about making myself sound more intelligent in my next posts. Thank you.

You were talking about pressure-spike builds when I was talking about spike builds. Pressure-spike is completely different.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

A caller does not make or break a team, read the post by dbgtboy "A totally inexperienced bloodspike group with 2 iwayers in it and no experienced caller went through most of the maps with ease and held halls, what does that tell you about the skill level involved?" So according to your theory, that team should have been broken before they were even at the stage of holding halls.

Okay so your telling me the caller doesn't take skill too. I guess that means spike takes no skill at all but I disagree with that because it does take some but not much.

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

last seasons build is what we did because it was the most fun to us... i havn't run rspike in over a month. Unless your brain dead you'd notice we've been holding with nr tranq numerious times...

Ok i'm not here to defend spike im here to bash iway and that i will... ok so answer me why all the unranked poeple run iway?... why do math run iway but never get anywhere in GvG?.... if pressing 1..2..3 is all there is to rspike why couldn't u be ranked top100... if good necros are needed then why do all they have to do is Spam OoA and OoP far away inside radar range... if waiting on adrenaline then hitting a target is hard then why don't all the noobs do it?... o wait they already do..... if iway wasn't for noobs then why do all the noobs run it?

MATH gets no where in GvG because they are GvG nubs. I think like all the old MATH GvGers that got math to top 20 are gone, its mostly HoHers now. I could get top 100 with r-spike with a good caller. Send us a good caller and I'm sure MATH can get top 100 with r-spike, the same way they dominated HoH with b-spike because of a good caller. The necs have more than spamming OoA and OoP and whatever other crap you said.

You know what, why don't you come join one of my IWAY groups (or any other exp IWAY group) before pulling this **** out of your ass. Or is playing it too low for you? So you just make up **** about it.

Kyle The Piemaster, those pics don't prove much. GJ you can roll nub teams. I've killed faster than that with FoC spike, zomgz nerf teh foc spike srsly guyz its overpowerd. Why not include the names of the teams u beat with those pics? Oh wait, its because its like "Dragonball Warrior X" or whatever unranked names the team leader/guild is.

| Almighty | · Jul 19, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

IWAY is not an easier build to run. Lets compare them.

Offensive: With spike its just my target spike in 3 2 1. Then you hit your spike skill. Difficult stuff. IWAY actually has to swap targets, attack overextenders blah blah. Sure, its a lot of pressure so theirs room for a few mistakes but the offensive is still much more difficult to play than that off 3 2 1.

Defense: IWAY has little to no defense. 2 Soul reaping necros and sometimes a rit prot. Spike has like 6+ characters each with 6+ skills in their bar dedicated to defense. You can make so many mistakes defense-wise with spike and still win because you've got so much of it. IWAYs defense is so limited that any mistakes there and you can lose.

Omg why are u even trying 2 show iway as a weak build. iways has best defence is killin everything in under 2 minutes. Just because it uses the most Imbalanced skill ingame = Order Of Apostasy. With that skill on guild wars its stupid to use Enchantments ingame, if Anet wants to keep this skill as it is now they might aswell remove all other enchantment from the game. Why NR Tranq builds beats iway?, they dont have anything special... only they are modified not to use enchantments. Disabling OOA in that way so the iway is easy 2 beat. So if i get this right if u want to make if far iway limits you to play 1 build gg tombs.

Teh Mighty Warrior · Jul 19, 2006, 07:30 PM // 19:30

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

last seasons build is what we did because it was the most fun to us... i havn't run rspike in over a month. Unless your brain dead you'd notice we've been holding with nr tranq numerious times...

Ok i'm not here to defend spike im here to bash iway and that i will... ok so answer me why all the unranked poeple run iway?... why do math run iway but never get anywhere in GvG?.... if pressing 1..2..3 is all there is to rspike why couldn't u be ranked top100... if good necros are needed then why do all they have to do is Spam OoA and OoP far away inside radar range... if waiting on adrenaline then hitting a target is hard then why don't all the noobs do it?... o wait they already do..... if iway wasn't for noobs then why do all the noobs run it?

Wow gj, making fun of iway then going on and talking about how good you are at running a FoTM. Shows how much character you have. I know why you are here. You're making fun of iway because all the "cool" people are doing it. I rarely iway myself, but when I do, we go far and steamroll noobs just like you. And while you guys are crying and bitching about how "unfair" it is, we go on to win halls.

Why do math run iway but never get anywhere in a gvg? Idk, but this is not a gvg section of the forums.

Don't bullshit me, we have all been in top 100 guilds.

All the noobs run iway...don't start your ignorant, stupid comments again. I've seen plenty of unranked groups not running iway.

llsektorll · Jul 19, 2006, 07:33 PM // 19:33

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Yup, and they held halls longer than [gRwL] ever has and probably ever will with it.

lol, never watch us on tv ic... we are gvg guild we do tombs here and there... usually nothing serious... just like math is terrible at gvg we don't focus ourselves in tombs..