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Chunky · Jul 02, 2006, 03:43 AM // 03:43

Which is better Frenzy or Tiger Stance in a GvG Battle?

+30 -2(stance) Shield VS +30 -5(20%) in a GvG Battle?

I just want to know the pros and cons and whats best overall

thanks

Arkantos · Jul 02, 2006, 03:47 AM // 03:47

I'd have to say Frenzy is better for GvG since you have monks. TS has too long of a RC.

Bring both shields, and when your not in a stance switch.

Chunky · Jul 02, 2006, 03:55 AM // 03:55

thanks for your opinion

DieInBasra · Jul 02, 2006, 03:57 AM // 03:57

Depends, If you know you're going to be ganking or splitting off without a monk, Tigers is better then frenzy. If otherwise, which is the majority of situations, take frenzy.

Vindexus · Jul 02, 2006, 04:01 AM // 04:01

Frenzy is better, you just have to learn to use it.

narcissistic_fool · Jul 02, 2006, 04:08 AM // 04:08

its also ends if u miss, which kinda sucks

DieInBasra · Jul 02, 2006, 04:10 AM // 04:10

I hate bringing up example from observer mode, but in the EvIL vs spnv, Last of Master used it, as did some spnv people. Can't remeber If bloodlight did or not.

Anyway, unless I'm missing something, he brought it because it's in EvIL's gameplan to split, and thought it would be better to gank bodygaurds and such with, because he brought charge and not stance speed buff. It really depends on the teambuild, I guess, but you can't write TS off completely.

Arkantos · Jul 02, 2006, 04:26 AM // 04:26

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Originally Posted by DieInBasra

Depends, If you know you're going to be ganking or splitting off without a monk, Tigers is better then frenzy. If otherwise, which is the majority of situations, take frenzy.

With monk = frenzy > TS
Without monk > frenzy =/> TS

Without a monk if your using frenzy and you notice your being attacked switch to rush/sprint. One should be on your skillbar.

Winstar · Jul 02, 2006, 05:37 AM // 05:37

In most cases you are right, switching over to sprint or rush is the standby. But, its not all that uncommon to be running charge on a sword warrior. In this case, you don't have a run to swap stances into. Its possible that tiger stance is a possible sub in for frenzy in such a setup.

[EW]Elendar · Jul 02, 2006, 07:44 AM // 07:44

tiger is basically only useable to spike, you can't use it to build adren in between like you can with careful use of frenzy

Shortyafter · Jul 02, 2006, 07:41 PM // 19:41

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Originally Posted by Winstar

In most cases you are right, switching over to sprint or rush is the standby. But, its not all that uncommon to be running charge on a sword warrior. In this case, you don't have a run to swap stances into. Its possible that tiger stance is a possible sub in for frenzy in such a setup.

This is the most common use of it, which is probably why Last Of Master used it. Before Factions I remember for awhile Last of Master was running a Charge sword war with frenzy but no cancel. Sometimes people will even go W/R for Tiger's Fury, which is less common.

Byron · Jul 03, 2006, 07:07 AM // 07:07

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Originally Posted by Shortyafter

Sometimes people will even go W/R for Tiger's Fury

That'd be me. Zealous sword makes it very much worth it, and stacking charge and TF is just so... beautiful.

16/9/9/7 spec, ftw.

ballinshiznick · Jul 03, 2006, 11:44 AM // 11:44

ahh i usually go 16/10/10 ...

hmmm i think i would miss the 10% armor pen -.-

o ya plus i use shock so i should be W/E :O

btw im chunky i got banned for some stupid shat =/

Lando Griffen · Jul 04, 2006, 02:35 AM // 02:35

I like frenzy better because of the recharge on it. People see the double damage part and freak out, so sometimes it's pretty hard to explain why you always need frenzy on a warrior, but it's very simple, if you are taking damage, don't be in frenzy. At least by attacking you, the other team is temporarily taking pressure off of the soft targets, and you're still doing nice damage. Just don't use it at the same time as healing signet

The Red Knight · Jul 07, 2006, 03:41 PM // 15:41

Frenzy is key 16 11 tact 9 str = win. using frenzy is awareness like knowing where the other teams damage is and if they can punish you fast for being stuck in frenzy blackout/no stance cancel avaliable etc. Always be aware of what sort of damage the other team has and how fast it can come at you. also Learn to heal sig alot it saves monks energy and you can keep pushing without monks having to come up to heal you :b. Just dont take a heal sig orb to the face ><

ump · Jul 07, 2006, 05:58 PM // 17:58

Tiger's Fury/Bestial Fury is the best. The disadvantage of blacking out your non-attack skills are not that big of a deal for warriors in PvP. The bigger disadvantage is that you need to be a ranger secondary and put enough points in beast mastery. However, this is a big disadvantage as you cannot use good stuff from other classes such as Plague Touch or Shock. Frenzy is the most popular because it is in the warrior primary. The disadvantage of double damage can be mitigated with proper usage and canceling with Sprint/Rush when you are under fire. Tiger Stance (while viable in PvE because the AI is not so smart and there is enough time between battles) is bad in PvP because of the 20 second recharge and that you could easily fail to hit with blinding, Guardian, and a bunch of other warrior hate that could easily be thrown on you. While we're on the subject of IAS (increased attack speed), Flurry is bad in PvP because your damage (the only real reason you exist in PvP) is reduced. It might be viable in PvE again because you might need to "tank" while you are building up adrenaline (something that doesn't happen in PvP).

I have no idea on the shield because I'm too inexperience as a warrior.

Farin · Jul 07, 2006, 07:35 PM // 19:35

Frenzy, as pretty much everyone said you just gotta learn how to use it.

For the shield, well, It doesn't really matter. If you've rush bring the -2 stance, you will be in a stance a lot of times.

The Red Knight · Jul 08, 2006, 12:29 AM // 00:29

tigers fury sucks because you cannot stance cancel once you hit tigers so people can just kite you all day long :|

zoozoc · Jul 08, 2006, 04:25 AM // 04:25

Just becasue someone is kiting you dosn't mean you will want to instantly use a speed buff, especially if your running sprint with frenzy. You need to save it in case you need to cancel frenzy. So it isn't any worse for TF.

JR · Jul 08, 2006, 04:39 AM // 04:39

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Originally Posted by The Red Knight

tigers fury sucks because you cannot stance cancel once you hit tigers so people can just kite you all day long :|

READ THE THREAD TITLE. THIS IS ABOUT TIGER STANCE NOT TIGER'S FURY.