Curse

Yunas Ele · Jul 20, 2006, 04:03 PM // 16:03

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Originally Posted by Z'HA'DUM

tell me about it! ive been playing for over 7months now, both prophecies and factions, and only started getting interested in HA lately. just because i only got started with HA, i only got 27fame r1! and now the majority of people out there dont whant you with them if you are not at least r3! how the hell am i to reach r3 for a shitty emote, if i cannot even get into a team! i call them "rank snobs". people with higher ranks should be helpful and understanding for players like me and you that have only started playing HA! but no, they call you "noobs", but they forget that they all too were beginners once with 0 fame!! some of them act like they have been born with rank6 and get all puffed up with their emotes!

so that made me try iway. i know lots of people hate iway, but im allowed to try anything, let me see for my self if its good or not

but even there: "glf iway r6+", invite self and emote!! goddamnit, they whant rank 6 players for iway!?! u dont need skill at all for that, and they kick me out of the team if i dont have enough fame? HA is no fun like that, how am i supposed to get ANY fame AT ALL???? its really sad, how great some people think they are, when they can emote, but does it make them a better person? well supposedly not... not after what lots of us have experienced...

We all had to go through this at one point or another, even the high ranked players today. You're not the only one.

Also, with all due respect, considering the fact that your experience in HA is limited to 27 fame, I really don't think your in the position to complain about what builds take skill and what don't.

If a team is asking for r6+, they want r6+. Now I'm not saying I agree with "rank elitism", but if you aren't the required rank, it shouldn't suprise you that you got kicked from the group.

llsektorll · Jul 20, 2006, 04:57 PM // 16:57

rank is shit after iway... if it makes you feel any better.. our core boon prot that held up againts.. IQ, iGi, EvIL, RnS, ... was rank0 when he joined the guild...

its not about rank but skill ^_^

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

We all had to go through this at one point or another, even the high ranked players today. You're not the only one.

Also, with all due respect, considering the fact that your experience in HA is limited to 27 fame, I really don't think your in the position to complain about what builds take skill and what don't.

If a team is asking for r6+, they want r6+. Now I'm not saying I agree with "rank elitism", but if you aren't the required rank, it shouldn't suprise you that you got kicked from the group.

its that kind of talk that force half the people of GW into playing some bullshit like iway... because they cannot find another way to roll with good players... rank eliteism is bullshit...

Z'HA'DUM · Jul 20, 2006, 05:17 PM // 17:17

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Also, with all due respect, considering the fact that your experience in HA is limited to 27 fame, I really don't think your in the position to complain about what builds take skill and what don't.

Yes, i am... i also play gvg btw, and i know what builds take skill!

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

its that kind of talk that force half the people of GW into playing some bullshit like iway... because they cannot find another way to roll with good players... rank eliteism is bullshit...

AMEN

Ecomancer · Jul 20, 2006, 05:28 PM // 17:28

Rank is an overrated measuring stick that measures only the experience of playing Heroes Ascent and not skill itself. The dilemna is therefore, how does an unranked player get experience of playing in HA. Most resort to the IWAY route because it allows them to get rank rather quickly; IWAY is a pickup and play style group that requires, for the most part, no communication tool (such as TS/VENT)whatsoever. The problem then is that they rather grow on IWAY to earn fame quickly without needing to indulge in build making or learning to play other roles (SB anyone?).

If people only started doing what we used to do when GW was still new - form groups with friends, learn the maps, have a little fun, learn from mistakes and grow from that. Don't just let this rank elitism affect you. Ask high ranked players what they are looking for and if you can join the group - stating any PVP experience on the profession that you want to play and your PVE experience. You would be surprised at how many unranked players are allowed in rank 6+ groups simply because they had knowledge of the profession and how they are played. The best thing in my opinion though, don't take the IWAY route, its usually not healthy.

So as it stands, rank is totally meaningless.

Z'HA'DUM · Jul 20, 2006, 06:14 PM // 18:14

Thanx Ecomancer!!! thats exactly what i wanted to read! and youre absolutely right! ill try it the way u just recommended!

Ecomancer · Jul 20, 2006, 07:23 PM // 19:23

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Originally Posted by Z'HA'DUM

Thanx Ecomancer!!! thats exactly what i wanted to read! and youre absolutely right! ill try it the way u just recommended!

I can see that you play E/Me from your personal info. If elementalist is your favourite class, then why not check out some builds on this forum, decide on which one you and your friends would like to give a go, and learn as you try.

If I still participated in HA like before, I would have gladly invited you to get a taste of the competition.

Good luck

tomcruisejr · Jul 20, 2006, 08:33 PM // 20:33

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

....rank eliteism is bullshit...

This shit is bananas. B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

IWAY was used to RED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO up rank elitism. and its sad that IWAYers turned out to be rank elitists themselves.

socrlax24 · Jul 20, 2006, 08:49 PM // 20:49

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

We all had to go through this at one point or another, even the high ranked players today. You're not the only one.

Also, with all due respect, considering the fact that your experience in HA is limited to 27 fame, I really don't think your in the position to complain about what builds take skill and what don't.

If a team is asking for r6+, they want r6+. Now I'm not saying I agree with "rank elitism", but if you aren't the required rank, it shouldn't suprise you that you got kicked from the group.

if you ask me, its people just like you who started this whole rank elitism bull shit.

27 fame means JACK SHIT when assessing someone's skill, or the required skill of a build. you're probably one of those people who got carried all the way through the game, and just cus you're high rank you think that you can boss people around saying they're skillless noobs

Divineshadows · Jul 20, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

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Originally Posted by tomcruisejr

turned out to be rank elitists themselves.

HA seems to have this effect on the majority people. Rank elitism is a big part of the HA community in Guild Wars. For anyone who doesn't like it, I highly recommend spending your time in GvG, Team Arenas, Alliance Battles, Random Arenas, and PvE content. At least for me, these are the parts of the game I now choose to focus my time on and enjoy the game much more now than the month and a half I dedicated myself to HA.

tomcruisejr · Jul 20, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

Rank is an overrated measuring stick that measures only the experience of playing Heroes Ascent and not skill itself. The dilemna is therefore, how does an unranked player get experience of playing in HA. Most resort to the IWAY route because it allows them to get rank rather quickly; IWAY is a pickup and play style group that requires, for the most part, no communication tool (such as TS/VENT)whatsoever. The problem then is that they rather grow on IWAY to earn fame quickly without needing to indulge in build making or learning to play other roles (SB anyone?).

If people only started doing what we used to do when GW was still new - form groups with friends, learn the maps, have a little fun, learn from mistakes and grow from that. Don't just let this rank elitism affect you. Ask high ranked players what they are looking for and if you can join the group - stating any PVP experience on the profession that you want to play and your PVE experience. You would be surprised at how many unranked players are allowed in rank 6+ groups simply because they had knowledge of the profession and how they are played. The best thing in my opinion though, don't take the IWAY route, its usually not healthy.

So as it stands, rank is totally meaningless.

right.

ok. be prepared for a biased post.

few iway noobs who were unheard of started a guild called MATH. the aim was to get rank of course playing iway, so there were no long term plans. and this "get fame now, whatever you do later attitude" was also evident in the name of the guild . "wtf, your math teacher, that doesnt sound game-y (not like other guilds that got evil, empire, charr, onslaught in their names)". some left after they got their rank 6 but most were determined to get rank 9, which was thought to be impossible by many but possible within the guild coz of the high winning rate. math was made 2nd week of november by people who are near rank 6's and the first batch of rank 9s started to appear by the first week of december. when most got their rank 9's (there were only 2 old math who didnt get rank 9s, the leader included because of casual gameplay and (leader) being burnt out in tombs and wanting to sway the guild to gvg). then the guild ventured to gvg, an area wherein iway was no where to be found. determined to see the guild in top 100, math tried every lil mod that will work and next thing we know that they got to top 10's.

the point? math didnt rely to rank 9s before, didnt recruit the best people in game to help them win. them rank 3+ noobs, played, lost, lost, won, lost, won, won, won and won again.

so gather your buddies, your low ranked friends and do it yourself, maybe you'll the next MATH.

and yea, rank sucks. rank elitism is B-A-N-A-N-A-S.

Yunas Ele · Jul 20, 2006, 09:46 PM // 21:46

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

rank is shit after iway... if it makes you feel any better.. our core boon prot that held up againts.. IQ, iGi, EvIL, RnS, ... was rank0 when he joined the guild...

its not about rank but skill ^_^

its that kind of talk that force half the people of GW into playing some bullshit like iway... because they cannot find another way to roll with good players... rank eliteism is bullshit...

Way to bold only part of the sentence. I don't agree with it but its there. Tell me sektor, if your guild team needed 1 more player and couldn't get any friends or guildies or anyone they know, who are you guys going to get. The unranked pug or the r9 pug. Now the unranked could easilly be better, but if you're telling me your guild would take the unranked guy, your bullshitting me.

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Originally Posted by Z'HA'DUM

Yes, i am... i also play gvg btw, and i know what builds take skill!

The GvG enviornment is nothing like tombs.

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Originally Posted by Ecomancer

(SB anyone?).

Oh please... it was a bad choice of wording. I said "KDs such as shock". Thats implying that there were multiple KDs, some of which could be prevented by SB. It was a poor choice of word order but I think its obvious what I meant.

Also, people can be experienced in 1 role but clueless at another. The other day I had a friend who got r10 with like 99.9% monking come play IWAY orders for me (his first time) and when a spirit died he said "hey cool, you get soul reaping energy from spirits, didn't know what". While I did know that shock isn't effected by SB, I wouldn't be too suprised if someone that never played a shock war or SB monk wouldn't know that.

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Originally Posted by socrlax24

if you ask me, its people just like you who started this whole rank elitism bull shit.

27 fame means JACK SHIT when assessing someone's skill, or the required skill of a build. you're probably one of those people who got carried all the way through the game, and just cus you're high rank you think that you can boss people around saying they're skillless noobs

Who are you trying to kid here by blaming it on me? People were already forming r6+ groups before I even had 1 fame. I never said he wasn't a skilled player, I was implying that his tombs experience was rather limited so hes not one to say what tombs builds are skillful and what arented. Please tell me which part of my post I said he wasn't skilled, because I'd really like to know.

I've actually helped a few new players out by giving them skillbars, general tactics, info about the maps, how fame/rank works, etc etc... but you don't know me, so you wouldn't know that.

Anyways rank elitism has been there for a while and its not going to leave. Its happened in other online games that had similar systems. If you want to blame it on anyone, blame it on either a) human nature because people are just like that or b) ANet for putting a rank system into the game.

On a slightly off topic note, with the GvG titles being significantly easier to get (not just like top 20 guilds only), I know its not long before the "rank elitism" is going to be in the GvG side of the game. We'll be seeing "blah blah blah recruiting players with champion title. PM me" soon enough. I bet thats my fault too, even though I have next to no GvG experience.

JR · Jul 20, 2006, 10:08 PM // 22:08

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

Also, people can be experienced in 1 role but clueless at another. The other day I had a friend who got r10 with like 99.9% monking come play IWAY orders for me (his first time) and when a spirit died he said "hey cool, you get soul reaping energy from spirits, didn't know what". While I did know that shock isn't effected by SB, I wouldn't be too suprised if someone that never played a shock war or SB monk wouldn't know that.

Part of being a good well-rounded player is knowing the ins and outs of every class and skill. I primarily play Monk so of course I know about the strange interaction of Spirit Bond and Prot Spirit, but that doesn't stop me knowing other obscure things like the way Water Hexes are effected by Hex Breaker, the order in which Bleeding and Cripple are applied by a Barbed Trap... and so on.

Not really related, just something that was bugging me about your post.

Sir Aurik · Jul 20, 2006, 10:12 PM // 22:12

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

I've actually helped a few new players out by giving them skillbars, general tactics, info about the maps, how fame/rank works, etc etc... but you don't know me, so you wouldn't know that.

So u gave ppl skillsbars for iway warriors/trappers/necros? Making tombs even worse then it alrdy is..

Yunas Ele · Jul 20, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

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Originally Posted by JR-

Part of being a good well-rounded player is knowing the ins and outs of every class and skill. I primarily play Monk so of course I know about the strange interaction of Spirit Bond and Prot Spirit, but that doesn't stop me knowing other obscure things like the way Water Hexes are effected by Hex Breaker, the order in which Bleeding and Cripple are applied by a Barbed Trap... and so on.

Not really related, just something that was bugging me about your post.

I completely agree with that. My r10 monk friend obviously is not a well-rounded player considering he won't touch anything but monk with a 10 ft pole. I had to convince him that orders nec is basically a healer that uses soul reaping as energy management before he even considered playing it.

I can tell you a lot of players that don't monk would be clueless about how spirit bond prot spirit interact, which is another example to prove my point.

It doesn't stop you from knowing these things (like your water hex example), but its not something thats going to teach you these things.

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Originally Posted by Sir Aurik

So u gave ppl skillsbars for iway warriors/trappers/necros? Making tombs even worse then it alrdy is..

I know the skillbars for other builds. Also if someone is PMing me asking the iway skill bars, they are obviously already interested in IWAY, so its not like I'm "converting one more person to the dark side", so how am I making tombs worse?

Aejorii · Jul 20, 2006, 10:21 PM // 22:21

I find it funny now that some IWAY groups have become rank elitist themselves.

Kudos to the tough IWAY'ers that beat us. It isn't easy when most builds out there are anti-iway.

And also, fame doesn't equal skill. Fame equals time spent in tombs. Time spent in tombs is experience whether they grind through underworld a few hundred times, they still have that experience. So when people want rank 6+ people, they want experienced tombs players. Why? To win. And people play to win.

I think when I started tombing, there were a lot of people that were rank 6+, a few rank 9's running around. Rank elitism has always been part of the tombs and will stay for quite a while. Why should an inexperienced player deserve to be part of a rank 6+ group? Is the rank 6+ community obligated to take them?

A lot of new players complain about not getting into good groups, not being able to get into a rank X+ group because they don't have a specific rank. Listen, everyone had to go through that once before. Get off your lazy ass and grind your way to rank X if you have to. That's what we all did, and you are not special enough to get a "free fame ticket". Form a UNRANKED group if you have to if you're unranked. Don't want to? Think you're better than other unranked folks? Well, tough. HA is only 1 our of 5 pvp types in the game. Can't take the heat? Get out of the oven.

Zephyr Jackson · Jul 20, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27

50% of HA is knowing the maps, Skill isnt important if you cant figure out the way to the relic and the way back to your own ghostly, i dont know the HA maps so i rarely HA, Yes i know UW, Scarred and the lower ones, but it is hard to get a non iway group (with no rank) that will go that high so i can play the higher maps.

I Do Not like Rank, But even if you iway, you know the maps and and know various strageties used in HA, which is better than a Balanced with GvG only Characters.

kyro27 · Jul 20, 2006, 10:43 PM // 22:43

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Originally Posted by Sir Aurik

So u gave ppl skillsbars for iway warriors/trappers/necros? Making tombs even worse then it alrdy is..

before or after he takes the 3k from them

Yunas Ele · Jul 20, 2006, 10:53 PM // 22:53

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Originally Posted by kyro27

before or after he takes the 3k from them

If you think I only help my fame farmers you are an ignorant fool. You do not know me, thus you are clueless about some of things I do.

JR · Jul 20, 2006, 11:06 PM // 23:06

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Originally Posted by Yunas Ele

It doesn't stop you from knowing these things (like your water hex example), but its not something thats going to teach you these things.

Which is why you make the effort to experiment and research.

shardfenix · Jul 20, 2006, 11:59 PM // 23:59

Here's a little HA mini guide for players new to the HoH environment.

90% of people who whisper you and don't want you in their group are morons. Simply ignore them, they will only waste your time.
Rank 3 is the hardest rank to get.
Rank means nothing because of all the gimmick builds and spirit spam out there. join low ranked groups and put good players on your friends list. Most of the best players in the game are between ranks 6-10, they just haven't had a chance to cheat 21,600 fame like power and leeloof.
Don't get discouraged if you lose after every win. Experience is the best teacher, and the most painful one.