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Zealot Dang · Aug 09, 2006, 06:16 PM // 18:16

Honestly i have played boon prot for one month, focusing gvg. I know BOon prot has a few diff types according to pple using it. Here is my Boon Prot (prob oldskool one) I 'm using all Prophercy Monk skills:

Reversal, ProSPrit,Mend Con, Inspire, Comtemplation, DivineBoon, MoRecall,SIgnet of Devotion

Most of skills are pretty good, adn they can not be replaced following several reasons.

But wait .... Signet of Devotion, the skill I put in last slot ...i still consider it. Is there any skill can replce this one? like all those factions skills?

Blow Up Doll · Aug 09, 2006, 06:41 PM // 18:41

Personally - i think that not having Guardian is really gonna hold you back because your only way to counter mellee is RoF spam and a prot spirit where are 1 guardian would do much of the work alone. With the amount of diversion spam flying around at the moment i often take hex breaker. This means no prot spirit which isn't a problem in Ra/Ta but not really an option for gvg.
If you are thinking of taking out sig of devotion i would put guardian in its place...

Loomy · Aug 09, 2006, 06:55 PM // 18:55

The boonprot monk build is the biggest pvp balance problem in GW right now. There is no more effective healer. It is stagnant.

Ensign · Aug 09, 2006, 07:12 PM // 19:12

Blessed Light monks are pretty effective in GvG as well, and those are pretty widely used. You'll see an occasional pure healer, but not very often.

Monks are restricted by how awful the healing line is. You have to find ways to keep people's bars up while using good skills, because you sure as hell aren't going to win as an Orison turret.

Peace,
-CxE

Neo-LD · Aug 09, 2006, 08:56 PM // 20:56

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Originally Posted by Blow Up Doll

Personally - i think that not having Guardian is really gonna hold you back because your only way to counter mellee is RoF spam and a prot spirit where are 1 guardian would do much of the work alone. With the amount of diversion spam flying around at the moment i often take hex breaker. This means no prot spirit which isn't a problem in Ra/Ta but not really an option for gvg.
If you are thinking of taking out sig of devotion i would put guardian in its place...

Guardian is good, but usually overrated. It can often hurt more than help against thumpers.

Nowadays, with the presence of many pressure and degeneration builds, monks really have to start thinking about maximizing energy efficiency. For this reason SoD is gold. Youll get enough free hp from SoD over the course of a game for it to be well worth te skill slot.

Zealot Dang · Aug 10, 2006, 01:46 AM // 01:46

Thank for replyings, I am really appriciate. How about Shield Guardian or Spirit Bond? ... I 've been thinking SG for a while ... it maybe useful

eleet · Aug 10, 2006, 02:19 AM // 02:19

guardian is effective but sometimes its not needed and u can keep SoD in your bar because usually in your GvG team if you run a balanced build then your guild should usually have a flashbot/hp spammer so all teh melee oppoennets shoudl be blinded most of the time

TheOneMephisto · Aug 10, 2006, 03:44 AM // 03:44

Shield guardian is generally considered as bad. Spirit bond is a great sub for Prot Spirit, but you shouldn't need both on one bar. One thing is that if you're in a GvG build with two boonprots, make sure to take one prot spirit and one spirit bond, for if you both cast on one target, they synergize amazingly.

Slit Wrists · Aug 10, 2006, 10:46 AM // 10:46

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Originally Posted by TheOneMephisto

Shield guardian is generally considered as bad. Spirit bond is a great sub for Prot Spirit, but you shouldn't need both on one bar. One thing is that if you're in a GvG build with two boonprots, make sure to take one prot spirit and one spirit bond, for if you both cast on one target, they synergize amazingly.

Are you sure they do actually do ? And to what extend ?

Thomas.knbk · Aug 10, 2006, 10:58 AM // 10:58

they sinergyze to the extend that Spirit bond triggers BEFORE prot spirit.
i.e. if someone would get 100 dmg from a lightning orb with SB and PS on, the dmg would be reduced to 48 (or whatever 10% of his max health is) and also healing him for the amount SB heals for
The PS/SB farm build is based around this

JR · Aug 10, 2006, 11:32 AM // 11:32

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Originally Posted by Thomas.knbk

they sinergyze to the extend that Spirit bond triggers BEFORE prot spirit.
i.e. if someone would get 100 dmg from a lightning orb with SB and PS on, the dmg would be reduced to 48 (or whatever 10% of his max health is) and also healing him for the amount SB heals for
The PS/SB farm build is based around this

To put this in a slightly clearer context:

Target has 500 health, and is enchanted with Prot Spirit and Spirit Bond.

Target is then hit with a Lightning Orb for 100 damage.

- Prot Spirit triggers, reducing the damage taken to 50.
- Spirit Bond still triggers, even though Prot Spirit reduced the damage to below 60, healing the Target.

Funnily enough it works the same way with Dark Escape and Spirit Bond; even if Dark Escape reduces the damage to below 60, Spirit Bond still triggers.

Byron · Aug 11, 2006, 04:56 AM // 04:56

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Originally Posted by Blow Up Doll

Personally - i think that not having Guardian is really gonna hold you back because your only way to counter mellee is RoF spam and a prot spirit where are 1 guardian would do much of the work alone.

Guardian is a 1 second cast for a ~40% chance to block. It seems much worse written out...I always though it was overrated myself, since the melee hate shouldn't be coming from the monks themselves. Perhaps in arenas it could do well against constant warrior pressure, but otherwise, meh. Distortion is my personal favorite anti-melee supplement - no cast time, hard to remove, etc. Hit distortion on every KD to truly frustrate enemy warriors. Though, as said, I don't feel that guardian should be a pivotal part of a team's defense.

azunder · Aug 11, 2006, 08:52 AM // 08:52

What about Healing Light monks? I've seen them used in some guild battle builds with tainted flesh or smiters.

Wasteland Squidget · Aug 11, 2006, 09:10 AM // 09:10

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Originally Posted by azunder

What about Healing Light monks? I've seen them used in some guild battle builds with tainted flesh or smiters.

Pretty rare these days. As Ensign said, an awful lot of the spells in the healing line are trash. Heal Other is reasonably efficent, but making a healing monk you inevitably have to take some pretty bad skills to make it work. As a result, Blessed Light and Boon Prot are the two major monk types you see in GvG currently.

funbun · Aug 11, 2006, 02:37 PM // 14:37

Uhh, what is SoD?

topdragon147 · Aug 11, 2006, 03:12 PM // 15:12

Signet of Devotion, hence, SoD

Phades · Aug 11, 2006, 11:54 PM // 23:54

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Originally Posted by Wasteland Squidget

Pretty rare these days. As Ensign said, an awful lot of the spells in the healing line are trash. Heal Other is reasonably efficent, but making a healing monk you inevitably have to take some pretty bad skills to make it work. As a result, Blessed Light and Boon Prot are the two major monk types you see in GvG currently.

Mitigation is generally always more efficient than removal, especially when placed on a platform that removes damage to the target with every cast. Energy cost is kinda hard to gauge against adrenalin or expertise, but even the monk healing skills when combined with the divine favor are rather efficient compared to direct parrallels in damage dealing. Then again, "nuking" sucks as a pressure mechanic and is typically grossly inefficient, so by default mitigation over time wins unfortunatly.

TheOneMephisto · Aug 12, 2006, 06:04 AM // 06:04

Notice how almost every good monk build uses protection prayers. The only really decent healing prayers spell is like... GoH and maybe healing touch as a self heal with high DF. However, GoH synergizes horribly with healing prayers, and healing touch cant be used on others and has a kinda high cast time for a skill that you'll probably be wanting to use as a quick save.

The thing is that protection prayers have a much higher energy efficiency. I mean, consider how much of a heal RoF can give for 5 energy, you DF + like over 100 heal with a 1/4 sec cast and spammable. Healing prayers just can't compete with that.

Seef II · Aug 12, 2006, 06:49 AM // 06:49

The problem with the healing line lies in their lack of doing something else other than healing. Sure, it's the healing line you say, but when e.light, orison, other, and word all do the same thing with various conditions, the line looks pretty shallow. There's no condition removal in the Healing line, no mitigation skills, and relatively long cast times compared to the prot and divine favor lines. Its redeeming skill definitely is Heal Party. Recharges are comparable to the prot line, but a Reversal turret generally seems more effective than an orison turret. See Lina.

To me, it's as if healing prayers are the fire magic of GvG. It doesn't do much else other than heal when you're up against builds with flashbots and/or degen hexes, except for Heal Party, which rarely gets put onto a monk. The line's screaming for some sort of utility. Imagine if reversal went into the healing line. What would happen, then?

Thom Bangalter · Aug 12, 2006, 08:02 PM // 20:02

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Originally Posted by Seef II

screaming for some sort of utility. Imagine if reversal went into the healing line. What would happen, then?

I imagine we'd see boon prots that spec in healing for rof and possibly gift of health since it scales so well.