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Former Ruling · Jul 26, 2006, 09:28 PM // 21:28

"Griefing" by in large is not clearly prohibited in the Rules of Conduct, and I have yet to see a case of someone getting suspended (they don't ban you for small stuff like running in RA...) for such action.

My point: Anet can twist anything they want into being suspend-worthy, but from past experiences, they have not.

There is no exploitable bug in the process so you cannot go that route. Both during and after the bombing. EoE and saccing to cause the "bombing" effect has been a valid and somewhat useful strategy for ages. The no rezzing during the countdown (and for ~1 minute afterwards) is not a "bug" - lest it woulda been fixed ages before EoE became popular. It is most probably to stop the creation of "minion factory" tactics on a large scale. IE: For the cost of ~20 points at the start, you can STEAMROLL all the cap points. My Point basically is..If EoE bombing your team was such a HUGGEEEEE Instant Ban-able bug they woulda taken it out days ago. Now There are no less than about 10 different teams that do it on a constant basis. If you remember the TeamKill in arenas bug (which WAS a bug) they removed that before the masses even knew really how it was being done. There was like a tight group of 2-3 guys that were doing it constantly.

What I DO agree with from a Sane Prospective:
Anet will probably remove the no rez at the start clause in Allaince Battles if they think it is fit. The better (And probably more likely) solution is that they will not allow Points to be given before the timer starts. That would destroy the bomber's whole reason of doing it, as then all that would happen is some of the team would have to wait a minute to join the fight (you DO rez after the timer starts, theres just like a minute delay) - which barely effects the game.

As for ways of stoppin it...it is DUMBLY Simple to make it on a whole not effective.

1) There are about 5 ritualist skills that totally stop it in its tracks before it even starts. This is the biggest Crusher.
2) On the Saltspray Beach map, you CAN get out of EoE's range, the starting spot is very wide, and about 1/3 of it cannot be covered by one EoE. This is specific to that one map.
3) This is the EASIEST way and requries no changing of teams. You have Monks and MM's on your 12 man team right? Easiest way spread the EoEs...HEAL THE BOMBERS. 1 MM heal area'ing the bombers will drag the bomb sessions out a long enough time that monks can fully heal any dmg. 2 Heal Areas on the bombers almost totally destroys its chances of killing anything. 1 Monk that is worth his weight can keep up 1-2 saccers through their sacs...which also destroys the bomb.

Dasensai · Jul 27, 2006, 08:55 PM // 20:55

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

Anet will probably remove the no rez at the start clause in Allaince Battles if they think it is fit. The better (And probably more likely) solution is that they will not allow Points to be given before the timer starts. That would destroy the bomber's whole reason of doing it, as then all that would happen is some of the team would have to wait a minute to join the fight (you DO rez after the timer starts, theres just like a minute delay) - which barely effects the game.

The reason the bombers do it is because its funny to see the reactions of everybody in local chat. People thinking its spies from the other team, calling the other team hackers, people giving the bombers their home address so they can meet in real life and fight etc. If you really want to get people to stop bombing, just stop saying hillarious stuff in the local chat.

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Originally Posted by Former Ruling

3) This is the EASIEST way and requries no changing of teams. You have Monks and MM's on your 12 man team right? Easiest way spread the EoEs...HEAL THE BOMBERS. 1 MM heal area'ing the bombers will drag the bomb sessions out a long enough time that monks can fully heal any dmg. 2 Heal Areas on the bombers almost totally destroys its chances of killing anything. 1 Monk that is worth his weight can keep up 1-2 saccers through their sacs...which also destroys the bomb.

How do you expect to out heal Blood is Power? The bombers also bring Predatory Season which cuts down on healing.

Ill_bet_you_hate_me · Jul 29, 2006, 08:28 AM // 08:28

Hello, I was one of the Kurzicks running Sacrafice EoE bomb in Ab. I am pretty sure you are talking about us, we ran the suicide bomb for about 4 hours tonight (or I suppost last night by now). I would like to state here that A) this is a build that desperatly needs to be nerfed, B) I beleive there was nothing wrong with what we did as far as the rule are considered (let me make it clear, not from the a social perspective, what I am saying is that my team was [insert profanity here]) and C) Our purpose was divided between having fun (I must admit it to that, most definatly a guilty pleasure) and also to bring to the Anets attention this extremly abusive build. I am sorry for screwing up peoples fun for one night, but judging from the "I am reporting this" comments that we got every single time, I would assume that Anet will hear about this and, hopfully, nerf it in a timely fashion. Feel free to flame my pm box but please keep this thread orderly. Thank you, and sorry.

Also if I do get banned (hopfully not at all or at the very least for a short time) I will inform you via this thread.

sir lockt · Jul 31, 2006, 10:31 AM // 10:31

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Originally Posted by TheMadKingGeorge

im gonna do it and im gonna say get better monks

Strange thing about it its that when you keep your team alive...you are flamed for not having res...in AB... but you are correct...most eoe bombs are to sloppy and therefore perfectly healable...

Spura · Jul 31, 2006, 01:36 PM // 13:36

I don't understand. So 4 man team sacrifises. EoE does 52 per death at max. That's 208 dmg. Shouldn't kill anyone else on the team.

JoDiamonds · Jul 31, 2006, 05:33 PM // 17:33

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Originally Posted by Ill_bet_you_hate_me

Hello, I was one of the Kurzicks running Sacrafice EoE bomb in Ab. I am pretty sure you are talking about us, we ran the suicide bomb for about 4 hours tonight (or I suppost last night by now). I would like to state here that A) this is a build that desperatly needs to be nerfed, B) I beleive there was nothing wrong with what we did as far as the rule are considered (let me make it clear, not from the a social perspective, what I am saying is that my team was [insert profanity here]) and C) Our purpose was divided between having fun (I must admit it to that, most definatly a guilty pleasure) and also to bring to the Anets attention this extremly abusive build. I am sorry for screwing up peoples fun for one night, but judging from the "I am reporting this" comments that we got every single time, I would assume that Anet will hear about this and, hopfully, nerf it in a timely fashion. Feel free to flame my pm box but please keep this thread orderly. Thank you, and sorry.

Also if I do get banned (hopfully not at all or at the very least for a short time) I will inform you via this thread.

I'm glad you stated this. I do think this should be a bannable or suspendable offense -- "screwing up people's fun" is pretty much right in line with the definition of griefing.

Also, for anyone who thinks no one has been banned for griefing -- how would you know? The only people who know for sure are the people who are banned. And some of them do whine and complain, but I imagine most of them know they did something at least shady or wrong, and aren't going to be vocal about it. Especially if you are just suspended for a week or something like that.

I know I've reported people and not seen them again. Since there's a zillion guild wars players, that doesn't mean they were banned, just as much as it doesn't mean they weren't banned.

Ill_bet_you_hate_me · Aug 01, 2006, 09:51 PM // 21:51

Wasn't banned. I would assume that if I havn't been by now, I am not going to be. The people who got so angery that they copied us would be at fault too by your logic and that would be too many people to ban. We were also not the very first to do this ether, so saying we were the absolute source would also be incorrect because we didn't come up with the idea to use eoe (it was some guild members friend). Instead all we did was figure out how to sacrafice 12 times per group and did it a lot. We were probably the most organized (we were all on ts calling every thing) and did it more then any one had before us, thusly making us the most annoying, but thats a weak case compaired to if we were the first or only people doing it, which we were nether. Not to say that I don't think the eoe bombs that popped up after us were not cause by us. We were just the ones to popularize the idea and build. Also this video should clear up questions as to how we did it. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tgLs1MrUFCk

Misc Merik · Aug 01, 2006, 10:00 PM // 22:00

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As for ways of stoppin it...it is DUMBLY Simple to make it on a whole not effective.

1) There are about 5 ritualist skills that totally stop it in its tracks before it even starts. This is the biggest Crusher.
2) On the Saltspray Beach map, you CAN get out of EoE's range, the starting spot is very wide, and about 1/3 of it cannot be covered by one EoE. This is specific to that one map.
3) This is the EASIEST way and requries no changing of teams. You have Monks and MM's on your 12 man team right? Easiest way spread the EoEs...HEAL THE BOMBERS. 1 MM heal area'ing the bombers will drag the bomb sessions out a long enough time that monks can fully heal any dmg. 2 Heal Areas on the bombers almost totally destroys its chances of killing anything. 1 Monk that is worth his weight can keep up 1-2 saccers through their sacs...which also destroys the bomb.

I know its a counter but when things like this become necessary to stop a bunch of kids ruining the fun in AB something needs to be done on Anet's end to stop it.

Kook~NBK~ · Aug 01, 2006, 11:32 PM // 23:32

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Originally Posted by richirich

tut tut typical luxon behaviour :P j/k...but seriously it should be fixed its like the bug that killed the holding team in hoh by yet again eoe..dunno how they fix this one though negate the effects of all spirits before the timer starts?

Either that or disable all skills/spells during timer countdown.

ogami_ito · Aug 07, 2006, 07:56 AM // 07:56

So let me get this straight. What this is a group of traiters on one side...say 4 players, who sacrifice themselves with eoe to order to kill the rest of the team-mates. And they did this for no purpose other than to piss others off?

Therefore, even if this traitor bombing was thwarted with heals, one team would be playing with a bunch of traitors. So probably could notwin anyway, right?

and one more thing...as they dont rez, how can this work? You would need to creat at least 9 or so deaths for this to work. That means they kill themselves, then rez the dead, then repeat?

King's Spectre · Aug 10, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

It was stated early on that a bug caused nobody to rez. I have no idea if it's really been fixed yet or not. You're right - any team with 4 traiters is doomed. What the bomb does is allow the other side side to win a game in 60 seconds. Enough of these and and you can really skew the win/loss total and move the lines.

So even if you stop the bomb, you have to choose between just quitting and giving the others a quick win or wasting 20 minutes of your time trying to hold a control point for the full duration.

At least until everybody quits playing AB.

TheOneMephisto · Aug 12, 2006, 06:52 AM // 06:52

They managed to get off a lot of bombs by using lively is whatsherface (at least that's what I got from the movie). Apparently you guys would cast lively, sac, then 2 sec later would res, cast glyph of something, probably essence or sacrifice? then sac again, etc.

Zenam · Aug 13, 2006, 01:56 PM // 13:56

Best way to do an EoE bomb by ureself in AB is to wait untill one side has many of the flags and rez points and if your playing Etnaren, drop EoE and move to another spot and drop Fertile Season. once you notice one or two people die use Feast of souls over Fertile spirit and KABAAM every 1 is dfead