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Timmy Shinobi · Aug 20, 2006, 06:13 PM // 18:13

Hi I started playing pvp for I got bored of farming and playing pve all the time. I'm new and I just starting playing Heroes Ascent about two days ago. Don't get me wrong I'm an experienced in PVP, GVG and AB player with my prior guild. But never tried Heroes so I never got fame

. Anyway, I played Choking Gas ranger and gotten about 4 fame in 2 hours, then finally a friend suggested I should go ViM trapper. I tried it, he walked me through it and finally I got the hang of it. I got 15 fame in one day

. My point is when my team advertise ViMWAY LF XX IWAY and XX ViMs I get a pm. "get lost noob" , "lame4xs build" etc. That discourages VIMWAY. I mean in my opinion II'm for VIMWAY for it helps me and new guys get experience and fame. I'm aware that we can't hold hoh with it or even worse win hoh with it. So, if could someone please tell me what is wrong with the ViMWAY build and if it so lame and discouraged, why make a certain build.

P.S. The reason why I vote yes for this build is because this build also gets me a team the quickest versus playing Choking Gas ranger for balanced. Anyway, your opinion will be greatly appreciated for I know i'll be greatly informed.

HF GL

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lishi · Aug 20, 2006, 06:46 PM // 18:46

imo the new vim/iway combo is less effective then the old vimway , i guess people run it becouse its easier to start.

that just tell what the build is about.

fame farming.

B Ephekt · Aug 20, 2006, 11:16 PM // 23:16

How exactly will playing VIM get you experience? If you're really an "experienced" PVPer, start your own balanced groups so you can micro manage how the group works together.

The VIM with IWAY warriors is probably the stupidest build ever. VIM losing blackout and signet of humility is just idiotic - any RC prot that isn't a complete scrub will neutralize your only source of offense and healing. Also, VIM is considered a noob build because it's only capable of beating horrible players.

caffine addict · Aug 21, 2006, 12:05 AM // 00:05

It will get you experience by simply playing against other builds, know maps, and how to play with pug's.

As for losing BO you know have 4 Iway warriors hunting down your monks making them kite into your traps. Vim also had a little nerf when the change the area size enemys need to be in for the shout.

I have also seen Vimway hold halls for 3 wins in "Prime time" saying they cant win halls means you never make it to halls to see all the vim teams there.

But yes Vimway can be beaten by almost all good groups but just like iway if you make a mistake it may cost you the game.

My Vote is if your new or dont want to wait to join a good balance team go vimway

lishi · Aug 21, 2006, 12:11 AM // 00:11

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Originally Posted by B Ephekt

How exactly will playing VIM get you experience? If you're really an "experienced" PVPer, start your own balanced groups so you can micro manage how the group works together.

The VIM with IWAY warriors is probably the stupidest build ever. VIM losing blackout and signet of humility is just idiotic - any RC prot that isn't a complete scrub will neutralize your only source of offense and healing. Also, VIM is considered a noob build because it's only capable of beating horrible players.

not true about the prot monk.

you need a good team who dont get trapped, its fine for the prot monk removing condition each 4-5 second but if actually come he have to spam rc there is something you should tell to all your players

B Ephekt · Aug 21, 2006, 12:39 AM // 00:39

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Originally Posted by caffine addict

As for losing BO you know have 4 Iway warriors hunting down your monks making them kite into your traps. Vim also had a little nerf when the change the area size enemys need to be in for the shout.

Which does absolutely nothing when the RC just keeps channeling up and spams RC, while actually gaining energy from most casts... The IWAY warriors don't add much more pressure over the W/Me from the original VIM either.

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Originally Posted by lishi

not true about the prot monk.

you need a good team who dont get trapped, its fine for the prot monk removing condition each 4-5 second but if actually come he have to spam rc there is something you should tell to all your players

RC has a 2 second recharge, and channeling will give him insane amounts of energy. I'm not really sure what you mean about the RC though, since your warriors will obviously have to walk through the traps at some point to kill the trappers. A Healing Seed and RC make that a non-issue though.

Thom Bangalter · Aug 21, 2006, 03:18 AM // 03:18

vimway, do you want to be my boyfriend?

check one:
yes
no
maybe

I pwnd U · Aug 21, 2006, 03:27 AM // 03:27

Yes to the orginal poll. ViMway is FUN!!

shardfenix · Aug 21, 2006, 05:55 AM // 05:55

I have never seen vim win. I am not exaggerating. I have never seen it win. On tv, in scarred earth, against me, or even heard of it winning otherwise. Why is it popular?

It's the new pre-ooa iway...you know, the one that let me pwn them for my rank 9.

Legendary Shiz · Aug 21, 2006, 06:34 AM // 06:34

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

I have never seen vim win. I am not exaggerating. I have never seen it win. On tv, in scarred earth, against me, or even heard of it winning otherwise. Why is it popular?

It's the new pre-ooa iway...you know, the one that let me pwn them for my rank 9.

I've seen it win, and hold a few times TBH. I remember seeing a ViM team holding halls, and the only reason they lost was because Brehon decided he wanted halls

Maybe it's just me, but this post just exudes cockiness.

Lord Dark Genie · Aug 21, 2006, 11:34 AM // 11:34

I've seen ViM win once, and that's because we were playing something retarded...

The "old" ViM with those retarded black-out warriors felt a lot stronger than the current version though.

Elrodien · Aug 21, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18

Vimway played defensively is so lame its unreal (I have come across too many of these teams that trap up and wait for you to rush in - like, yea..we are all so going to do that..)

The more agressive ones that charge in and trap round your team are worthy of more respect, but, at the end of the day, its a gimmick build so its a 'No'.

If you are trying to get rank in HA though, your choices are limited. Usually its gimmicks or nothing. Sad really...

Outkast · Aug 21, 2006, 12:54 PM // 12:54

Vim is quite possibly the most free fame in heroes ascent. If they choose to ball up, then Mark of Pain deals with them in no time. If they come out of their shell, they get wasted before a trap can even be laid.

The only easier fame out there is Mo/R healing smite ball. This build is guaranteed flawless fodder, usually polished off within 25 seconds.

Wtf?Omfg!Bbq! · Aug 21, 2006, 01:03 PM // 13:03

Allthough Ive played it a couple times for some fast fame (Shame

)
Just keep moving from the trappers > VimWay
Meteor Shower > Balled Vim

llsektorll · Aug 21, 2006, 01:41 PM // 13:41

well finding groups as a noob is tough.... ill give you that much... why do you think iway is so popular.. just about anyone can run it.... vim is a little less mindless than iway and you can keep your dignity while running it too... i'd say yes vimway> iway

Timmy Shinobi · Aug 21, 2006, 05:37 PM // 17:37

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Originally Posted by llsektorll

well finding groups as a noob is tough.... ill give you that much... why do you think iway is so popular.. just about anyone can run it.... vim is a little less mindless than iway and you can keep your dignity while running it too... i'd say yes vimway> iway

I agree its tough to find groups when your not ranked. My first day I've been spamming Choking gas lfg for about 2 hours nobody would pick me for I'm not ranked. Anyway ViM got me 35 fame in 3 days, so to me its not bad but its not good either. Down fall of ViMWAY is that we played a couple of teams that had a bspike build and we got pawned, we tried bringing fertile season and for some reason we beat bspike and smiteball

. Anyway so far No vote for ViMWAY is dominating.

Also guys when you vote yes or no will you please include the reason why you voted yes or no as well (please I would like to hear your feedback). Thanks in advance

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Aug 21, 2006, 10:38 PM // 22:38

Well vim can win easily against a very good balanced team... if the ghost distracting shots RC...

the sly edge · Aug 22, 2006, 03:15 AM // 03:15

yes vim and iway are built for farming fame
but u get a soild nightly group up there just expect them to show up on halls more often
o ya i hate iway

Lord Mendes · Aug 22, 2006, 11:33 AM // 11:33

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Originally Posted by Gimme Money Plzkthx

Well vim can win easily against a very good balanced team... if the ghost distracting shots RC...

Lol relying on the ghost to interupt one of the many spells being cast is absolutely retarded. And still even then a good balanced team will shutdown the trappers making it hard 2 lay traps and harder 2 heal.
Saying that vim can beat a very good balanced team is absolute crap.
I vote no for ViM because ive never lost 2 it and i dont c how any1 can.

EaT Macros · Aug 22, 2006, 11:42 AM // 11:42

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Originally Posted by Lord Mendes

Lol relying on the ghost to interupt one of the many spells being cast is absolutely retarded. And still even then a good balanced team will shutdown the trappers making it hard 2 lay traps and harder 2 heal.
Saying that vim can beat a very good balanced team is absolute crap.
I vote no for ViM because ive never lost 2 it and i dont c how any1 can.

I lost once because our prot and rit dropped at the start of the match, the only 1's with cond. removal, but that doesnt count imo^^