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Old Sep 19, 2006, 09:55 PM // 21:55   #1
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Personally, Im not so Sure of Signet of Illusions, or "Cant Touch This"

Now the Ghostly can cap with no fear of Knockdown or Inturuption

( Mo/P With SB+Cant Touch This+ Song of Concentration= No Way to Stop Him Capping, with 3 skills on one toon!)

This assumes its All touch Skills for XX seconds (only 5 or 6 is needed) , if not, then its a "Meh" Skill


As for Signet Of Illusions, this One looks really screwed up to me, So Now an Illusion mesmer can go Me/E and Run a 16 Energy Storage Ether Prodigy! , Or a 16DF Spell Breaker

Even if this signet has a 60s recharge thats still obscene
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Old Sep 19, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07   #2
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I love the humor in the shouts: "They're on Fire!" "I Will Survive!" "Can't Touch This!" There are others I can't remeber, and they threaten to replace Burning Speed as the funniest skill ever made.
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Old Sep 19, 2006, 10:17 PM // 22:17   #3
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Personally, Im not so Sure of Signet of Illusions, or "Cant Touch This"

Now the Ghostly can cap with no fear of Knockdown or Inturuption

( Mo/P With SB+Cant Touch This+ Song of Concentration= No Way to Stop Him Capping, with 3 skills on one toon!)

This assumes its All touch Skills for XX seconds (only 5 or 6 is needed) , if not, then its a "Meh" Skill


As for Signet Of Illusions, this One looks really screwed up to me, So Now an Illusion mesmer can go Me/E and Run a 16 Energy Storage Ether Prodigy! , Or a 16DF Spell Breaker

Even if this signet has a 60s recharge thats still obscene

"Cant Touch This" is powerful against few powerful skills. so one crosses the other = balanced. combined with other skills, its balance, i dont know.

and for signet of illusions, i think youre mistaken. say youre a domination mesmer and you got 16 domination and 0 illusion, used arcane thievery and got conjure phantasm, used inspired hex and got phantom pain and used inspired enchantment and got illusion of weakness. using signet of illusions, your illusion attribute will be buffed and you can use those "captured" illusion spells that you temporarily have with full power.

if there will be signet of energy storages or signet of divine favors, i think what youre thinking may happen.
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Old Sep 19, 2006, 10:27 PM // 22:27   #4
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We really can't know if these skills are overpowered until we see numbers, casting costs, and recharges. If Signet of Illusions can only be used on mesmer spells then it's fine, but if it can be used how you state than it might be pretty abusive.

Grenth's Grasp sounds potentially pretty crazy, if used with something like Protector's Strike. Something like Bull's Charge, except it doesn't keep you from using an IAS. Ow.

Overall though, this strikes me as kind of pointless. We need more specifics to really gauge the value of these skills.
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 12:41 AM // 00:41   #5
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Or perhaps the signet only works on stolen spells? That page seem to link the signet's usage with spell stealers such as arcane thievery, inps hex etc.
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I love the humor in the shouts: "They're on Fire!" "I Will Survive!" "Can't Touch This!" There are others I can't remeber, and they threaten to replace Burning Speed as the funniest skill ever made.
"On Your Knees!"
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Or perhaps the signet only works on stolen spells? That page seem to link the signet's usage with spell stealers such as arcane thievery, inps hex etc.
probably what they intend, but anet screws things up with skill descriptions.
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"Cant Touch This" is powerful against few powerful skills. so one crosses the other = balanced. combined with other skills, its balance, i dont know.

and for signet of illusions, i think youre mistaken. say youre a domination mesmer and you got 16 domination and 0 illusion, used arcane thievery and got conjure phantasm, used inspired hex and got phantom pain and used inspired enchantment and got illusion of weakness. using signet of illusions, your illusion attribute will be buffed and you can use those "captured" illusion spells that you temporarily have with full power.

if there will be signet of energy storages or signet of divine favors, i think what youre thinking may happen.
"We decided to give the Mesmer Signet of Illusions, which will make the next spell you cast use your Illusion attribute instead of its normal attribute."
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 06:36 AM // 06:36   #9
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Got a bad feeling Arcane Mimicry + Signet of Illusions is gonna make some pretty broken team builds.

As for Can't Touch This, looks like they decided to nerf touch rangers after all. :P
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 07:06 AM // 07:06   #10
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and for signet of illusions, i think youre mistaken. say youre a domination mesmer and you got 16 domination and 0 illusion, used arcane thievery and got conjure phantasm, used inspired hex and got phantom pain and used inspired enchantment and got illusion of weakness. using signet of illusions, your illusion attribute will be buffed and you can use those "captured" illusion spells that you temporarily have with full power.
http://www.cln.org/subjects/esl_cur.html

Stick with it, I know some people its really helped.
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 07:37 AM // 07:37   #11
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If Signet of Illusions was, say, an Elite with a 10 second (as I think someone in the Mesmer forum mentioned) or so recharge, then it will be a fully functional and balanced skill (until we figure out how to break it like SB/RI).
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 09:13 AM // 09:13   #12
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"You can't Touch This" should be followed by new shout "Hammer Time" which gives your hammer warrior baggy trousers and causes you to spend all your money in 30 secs.
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 09:46 AM // 09:46   #13
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If Signet of Illusions was, say, an Elite with a 10 second (as I think someone in the Mesmer forum mentioned) or so recharge, then it will be a fully functional and balanced skill (until we figure out how to break it like SB/RI).
If its Elite, Then i will have no problem with the skill, but the skill icon does show an elite status
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Stick with it, I know some people its really helped.
thanks .

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"We decided to give the Mesmer Signet of Illusions, which will make the next spell you cast use your Illusion attribute instead of its normal attribute."
ty for bolding it. much love. all clear now. <3

previous statement bout signet of illusions retracted.
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 10:12 AM // 10:12   #15
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For those of you thinking that a ridiculous recharge is the way to balance Sig of Illusions ... think Mantra of Signets/Inscriptions.....
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 11:15 AM // 11:15   #16
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Still you need to invest in Illusion for usage of Sig of Illusions, which is imo just a method to boost the use of the illusion.

I think it is a very nice concept... you can now use skills without investing in that attribute... so if i get it correctly (just an example) take a healing res, dont invest any points in healing, go full illusion and its a very strong res...

You can think of a lot of examples of less used skills of supporting attribute lines which dont require investment in the attribute any more... thats a truly nice concept indeed
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Old Sep 20, 2006, 12:14 PM // 12:14   #17
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For those of you thinking that a ridiculous recharge is the way to balance Sig of Illusions ... think Mantra of Signets/Inscriptions.....
Do you see people using Mantra of Signets or Inscriptions with Ether Signet? Arguably one of the best energy management skills in the game, if you ignore it's horrendous recharge.

Point being; it gets to a point where you can't negate things like that by combining it with other skills. The return you get just isn't worth it, and it could well be the same fo Signet of Illusion. Making assumptions based on incomplete skill descriptions is silly.
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they threaten to replace Burning Speed as the funniest skill ever made.
Hey! I use burning speed on my ele to chest run.
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Do you see people using Mantra of Signets or Inscriptions with Ether Signet? Arguably one of the best energy management skills in the game, if you ignore it's horrendous recharge.

Point being; it gets to a point where you can't negate things like that by combining it with other skills. The return you get just isn't worth it, and it could well be the same fo Signet of Illusion. Making assumptions based on incomplete skill descriptions is silly.
I see them using it on trappers with oath shot.

smart trappers mind
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