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TheZens · Sep 06, 2006, 12:17 PM // 12:17

I have no problem with 6v6 play its viable and fun to play for awhile but in my opinion should never replace 8v8 HA for the following reasons:

1. Builds - 6 characters means 2 monks it also means you most likely have to have a warrior to do enough damage and because of the HA goals of running relics and interupting ghosts. Your pretty much stuck with having to take around 24-30 skills to meet those goals that leaves you just 18-24 skills of build creativity left to play with and this means we are all stuck playing similar builds and makes the FotM build problems much worse in my opinion. Eventually i see a 6v6 HA become far more boring and stagnant than the current 8v8 HA is.

2. We will have no true 8v8 PvP left in this game GvG is hardly ever a straight 8v8 fight because of ganking, splitting and flags to run all going on until one team cracks under the strain and pressure. Please let those PvP'ers who are organised enough to get 8 people who dont like GvG the chance to play together and win together. If you make HA 6v6 you are simply making all forms of PvP play too similar to each other that it all becomes stale and boring.

3. Skills - Automatically you make many many skills in this game useless because they have no place in the game anymore, take spirits for example such as famine you will never see that used in GvG or arena play because people just kite away or split or you cant coordinate a team build with the lack of skill slots available to you. Only in HA can certain types of skills be used in this game in 8v8 situations.

Now for a few suggestions that i think may help the Pvp situation in this game

1. Revamp HA the maps all need to be made for todays PvP not last years when we had 6 team maps and 4 team maps most are now just 1v1 and need huge changes and bugs fixed. In my opinion Anet should have acted a lot faster on this and didnt for whatever reason.

2. Add a 6v6 arena with brand new maps when nightfall is released its a good step up for arena play and provides GvG casual play that gvg'ers crave.

3. Change fame so that it can be earned in Team Arena, 6v6, HA and GvG in my opinion the more wins in PvP you get the more famous you become just make it scalable for the difficulty of each so that its a balanced fame reward. This also has the benefit of making people farm HA a lot less than they already are.

4. We have GvG and arena titles so add one for 6v6 and for HA make a title based on how many times you actually win HA because we all know fame means nothing anyway but winning HA is a far harder goal to achieve. Hopefully this title makes HA what its meant to be for winning HA and getting your guild name out there not fame farming.

5. Have HA seasons which prevent build stagnation in some seasons everyone has one less pip of energy regen and a -1 health regen in others skills cost 33% less energy to cast, do something to force metagame changes on a semi regular basis to make the game more interesting to play.

I hope anet doesnt make HA 6v6 it will make pvp too similar throughout this game and no variety means the game becomes boring and stale and ultimatly leads the game in to decline.

Lord Mendes · Sep 06, 2006, 12:19 PM // 12:19

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Originally Posted by Zui

Umm, and 8 vs 8 Heroes' Ascent wasn't infested with IWAY, ViMway, Holding Builds, and Caster Spikes such as Opressive Gaze Spike, and Blood Spike?

Well there is a bit more variety. And stop giving me any of that first 3 map crap. Seen about 4 Vimways on courtyard this weekend.

@ opeth i dont have a problem defeating Vimways trust me. I have never lost 2 a ViMway on 1v1, and flawlessed every Vim i have come up against this weekend (just trying to make a point not trying to show off or anything a la Jah Jah).
Opeth now that i think of it i beat ur old guild (Demon of the fall or something) and they were running ViM. Ask them how it went.

Vaga · Sep 06, 2006, 01:06 PM // 13:06

Zen has a pretty good arguement from someone who likes 8v8 HA. Can see where they are coming from to a degree. Personally I can't understand how you could play Ha seriously on a regular basis when it is just a massive clusterRED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GORED ENGINE GO with no real strategy (i.e. theres strategys you can employ but nothing on a grand scale that can really confuse another team).

Whilst I can see where Zen's coming from, and agree with him on a number of points...the same ideas that you are thinking about with the -1 pip of energy etc... could be used to equal effect in 6v6.

I still think that before anyone can make a proper decision the maps need to be redone, if the maps are going to stay the same then to be honest I would rather 6v6, the builds in HA are just to extreme to be fun.

Last point is at BlueNovember. You are right in that builds such as blood spike require a lot more coordination over voice comms etc...But at the end of the day anyone can run builds like this because it is just a matter of telling people on voice comms what's going on, and then hitting your skills after 321. This is in comparison to a pressure build where people just have to know what needs to be done in each situation (what skills need interupting, what targets need to be disrupted through our warriors pressuring them etc...).

TimTimTimma · Sep 06, 2006, 02:35 PM // 14:35

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