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Old Sep 08, 2006, 01:45 AM // 01:45   #41
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ViM isn't overpowered.

What's good is the stratagy. What ViM does is spread damage and then get powerful spike attacks from melee character to take advantage of weak characters.

The counter. Getting rid of damage with Heal Party and Restore Conditions. Simple as the build itself.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 11:30 AM // 11:30   #42
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or just draw the warriors away from the trappers, kil lwars, then monks can wand trappers while rest of team rapes their face.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 12:05 PM // 12:05   #43
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Martyr?
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 12:18 PM // 12:18   #44
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or just draw the warriors away from the trappers, kil lwars, then monks can wand trappers while rest of team rapes their face.
Yep, more often than not IWAY Warriors playing on a ViM team can be drawn away from their trappers much like npc monsters in PvE. Just:

1 Get within the warriors' agro bubble
2 Pull them out
3 Kill the warriors
4 Wait for the ranger to lay Frozen Soil, so they can't res (note there is 50% chance the rangers will lay this spirit after their own team starts to die and when they have no kills)
5 Set off traps with 1 character
6 Kill rangers
7 Sarcastically say how awesome their build is
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 12:28 PM // 12:28   #45
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Yeah, half of the vim teams pre-cast FS, then i just ask for a seed and go leeroy jenkins on their iway warriors. (I play shock axe) Once they are dead.. The stupid trappers seem to spread out more in panic or whatever attempting to rez their over-extended warriors without noting that their own frozen soil is down. They may also over-extend to the ghostly, either way I pick them off.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 12:40 PM // 12:40   #46
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ViMway is just random, I rolled R10 bloodspike yesterday, but have been owned so many times by randomway. ViM definatley isn't overpowered, it's just some teams are better than others, and every non vim team should roll vim.

That didn't really make sense.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 01:23 PM // 13:23   #47
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That didn't really make sense.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 01:32 PM // 13:32   #48
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Martyr?
Yes. This is one possible solution against vimway.

But honestly, I really think this elite is a waste of 10 energy and a skill slot... Martyr is pretty strict on your team's build; mostly with spike builds; since that person will be on the backline.

Whether you like it or not, in pvp conditions WILL BE SPAMMED ; and obviously, vimway is the hardest condition pressure team other than tainted ~ poison and bleeding (melandru arrows)rangers~ commonly seen during the 6vs6 HA event.

Spamming martyr on a non spike team(if you're a monk) will actually do more damage to you and your teammates. You will decrease your healing abilities; martyr has horrible energy management. You may lose your kiting abilities (taking cripple into effect) and thats the last thing you want to do *as a monk*.

I'd rather see one RC prot in the 3 monk backline with a WoH and something else (but martyr) in a non-spike team. Let the RC monk remove the conditions--> it heals quite a lot ~ only 5 energy and very fast recharge. Bottom line, Martyr will not work so well against VIM.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 01:37 PM // 13:37   #49
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Yes. This is one possible solution against vimway.

But honestly, I really think this elite is a waste of 10 energy and a skill slot... Bottom line, Martyr will not work so well against VIM.
Yes, RC>Martyr.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 02:20 PM // 14:20   #50
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Yes. This is one possible solution against vimway.

But honestly, I really think this elite is a waste of 10 energy and a skill slot...
It's 5 energy
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25   #51
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Mend Ailment on a prot monk works great, try it
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 02:25 PM // 14:25   #52
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ViM is pathetic in 6v6 and 8v8 without restore condition or martyr (and most people run RC prot). i dont see the problem. if anybody on your team except the warrior(s) have conditions, you are playing incorrectly. (unless you have martyr or draw cond obviously)
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 05:00 PM // 17:00   #53
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ViM is pathetic in 6v6 and 8v8 without restore condition or martyr (and most people run RC prot). i dont see the problem. if anybody on your team except the warrior(s) have conditions, you are playing incorrectly.
You'd be surprised how easy it is for another person on your team to set off a trap, other than the warrior.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 07:18 PM // 19:18   #54
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You'd be surprised how easy it is for another person on your team to set off a trap, other than the warrior.
especially because they're friggin' EVERYWHERE. inside wards, under bridges, randomly lying about in open areas....you can't really avoid them, you just have to get out of them as fast as possible. calling for blind over and over again because you're tanking a dust trap means you're just a really big scrub.
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Wanding ftw? They only got Whirling D...gg
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 07:57 PM // 19:57   #56
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Its not exactly that easy :P
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Its not exactly that easy :P
It is...
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 09:08 PM // 21:08   #58
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Yes, RC>Martyr.
Too true
Most of the times, Draw Conditons>>Martyr as well. You can cast 4 draws in the time you can cast 1 martyr, and at least draw has some self-heal effect.
How many times are more than 4 ppl going to suffer from conditions anyway?
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 10:58 PM // 22:58   #59
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back to poll question..

vim is not overpowered. mistakes, fatigue, bad play, or inherent suck-age make it look overpowered.
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Old Sep 08, 2006, 11:07 PM // 23:07   #60
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You'd be surprised how easy it is for another person on your team to set off a trap, other than the warrior.
its not if your team thinks.... we tomb very often and no vim problems at all...
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