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Electric Death · Aug 01, 2006, 03:54 PM // 15:54

I have seen alot of people moan and whine about having problems getting fame/rank and the discrimination thats in HA about unranked people.

So i figured i might try helping since i have no problem anymore with this and am rank 7 nearly 8, maybe i can be of some help to the community.

I read this somewhere on guru before; forget where now, a piece of advise which i had already being doing withouth realising it and without realising that unranked people might not think of doing and it is as follows:

Join a random Pug, play untill it disbands and watch the people in the team, look for the people who seem to know what they are doing or even just friendly guys that you would like to play with again.

Now add these people that are good/friendly to your friends list.

Do this for a week at the most and you will have found yourself a list of regular friends who you know are good and you can either a) msg when your pug needs another person or b) use this list to form a pretty good team.

Any group of unranked friends who you have played with before and are decent players, will do better that any r3+ pug any day imo.

I have told this piece of advise to about 10 people now, some; some random ppl in HA pm'ing me asking how i got my rank, some from a really old guild i used to be in and guest for sometimes for gvg, whom im still friendly with. And most of them have msg'd me back after a few days saying ''thanks alot for the advise it worked real well i got xx amount of fame and im really happy with that

''

So i hope this helps a few people have a more fun time in HA or even get there rank 3 and more.

Gl all who have read this and plan to use this in some way!

Legendary Shiz · Aug 01, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

This is great advice, and I know I have a few people on my list that would fall under what this is speaking of.

Ray · Aug 01, 2006, 09:11 PM // 21:11

Just sucks if you're the one sucking, but hey.

Lynxius · Aug 01, 2006, 09:59 PM // 21:59

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Originally Posted by Electric Death

...and watch the people in the team, look for the people who seem to know what they are doing or even just friendly guys that you would like to play with again.
Now add these people that are good/friendly to your friends list.

Make sure they are capable and good listeners, tolerant to the point of accepting new builds or tweaking their current skill bar for the benefit of the team, this requires them to be versatile players though.
Oh and make sure, they all have Ts/Vent, communication is one of the keys to success.
Its certainly not required, but undoubtfully useful.

fb2000 · Aug 02, 2006, 12:13 AM // 00:13

If you are serious about HA, I think its worth it to join a guild taht does that. I joined one exactly a week ago, and man, its a blast each time we do HA. we might not do that good, but its very cool to play

I wouldnt rush rank all that much, essentially, if you have to rely on Rank to get u in groups, the chance ull get in a group thatll fall apart/ragequit/start shouting on ts/vent increases exponentially. Id also recommend you stick to some lower-profile jobs (if youre newb to HA, like i am), like say spirits spammers (u cant really do anything wrong with that, and a big number of groups have either a rit or a ranger spirit spammer..), just till u figure out the basic strategies on the maps, youll feel a lot more secure playing whatever u wish afterwards

dont let rank get to you.. it means absolutely nothing.. I used to think wrong when ppl said you can find much better opposition in TA than in HA, but now i know for sure.. today i heard that on a say shock axe warrior, a req7 axe does more dmg than say a req11 one.. the guy went on about what leeeeet sundering he bought.. a r11 player (well, 500fame from r11 or so)..

elektra_lucia · Aug 02, 2006, 01:24 AM // 01:24

I offered to help make groups.. I don't mind, buddy me if you like. As I said in other topic though, people would rather whine/flame even when I was trying to help...

some people don't have mic, so I don't mind helping on a ventless group. most peoples errors arn't about vent - it's just they play absolutely rubbish.

Aryn Rand · Aug 02, 2006, 09:58 AM // 09:58

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Originally Posted by fb2000

dont let rank get to you.. it means absolutely nothing.. I used to think wrong when ppl said you can find much better opposition in TA than in HA, but now i know for sure.. today i heard that on a say shock axe warrior, a req7 axe does more dmg than say a req11 one.. the guy went on about what leeeeet sundering he bought.. a r11 player (well, 500fame from r11 or so)..

Its a rumor that wont die.
I almost always get quite a few consec in TA/RA without any effort whatsoever.
Im not on vent, we do not have a specific team build etc. Still I get a glad point now and then and I also have done a 30 consec win in TA.
I have never ever gotten close to that in HA. On a good day I get 8+ wins.
I need to play with a guild team or purly people I know to get win HoH at all.
But getting 10 consec in RA/TA takes a 1 hour or so? Its not that hard either with a proper team build.

I think rank means "some" gettinga good rank10 player is way easier to find a good r0 player. But yes the posters advice is very usefull and it was how I got my rank. Vent and a microphone is needed, there is plenty of public vents out there.

Electric Death · Aug 02, 2006, 07:08 PM // 19:08

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Originally Posted by Lynxius Pardonus

Make sure they are capable and good listeners, tolerant to the point of accepting new builds or tweaking their current skill bar for the benefit of the team, this requires them to be versatile players though.
Oh and make sure, they all have Ts/Vent, communication is one of the keys to success.
Its certainly not required, but undoubtfully useful.

Yea i agree with that, its important for your team mates to be willing to try new things, and vent is also important id never join/stay in a team with no vent or ts.

About joining a gvg guild, it would help you get your ''foot in the door'' in HA, but if your in a pve guild with alot of friends and you still like to pve and have fun outside pvp, then you can still stay in it. i got to r6 beofre i left my mainly pve/some pvp guild, so it can be done.

And yea rank doesnt mean anything, hasn't for a long long time so dont base your judgement on wether someone is good or not based on their rank, as ive said before an unranked group of friends will do better anyday that a ranked pug.

Cador · Aug 03, 2006, 12:00 AM // 00:00

TBH Rank does mean something, even if you iwayed to R15 you know the maps, That is the big point. You also know skillbars you know a bunch of other things such as strengths and weaknesses of some builds(You know if u play iway Bspike is gonna screw you over, so you can start to think about interrupts and COF mesmers

) I dont mind doing an unranked pug however i do request if it is unranked that everyone is on ventrilo or TS. Communication is key.

Electric Death · Aug 03, 2006, 03:35 PM // 15:35

Yea i agree rank means very little, but if you wanna have fun and win you have a better chance of wining n a higher ranked group, since the chances are they know their job, how to do it and have a decent understanding of the game.

And of course sometimes this doesnt work, when someone iways their rank or w/e. But i find using rank to put together a pug to be fine.

BooNer · Aug 09, 2006, 06:59 PM // 18:59

great advice for starters.. but i cant agree with ppl saying that rank doesnt mean anything.. most people who say that say it cuz they just dont have the rank.. granted there are exceptions to this whole rank junk.. but honestly someone with 2000+ fame and someone with 10 fame when playing HA.. you see a difference -.-

shardfenix · Aug 09, 2006, 10:52 PM // 22:52

Or arenanet could add ranked districts (a district for all ranks, a rank 3+ district, a rank 6+ district, rank 9+, etc). Every time I go to HA I see all rank 3/6 iway and there's one guy out of 50 who is unranked and wants to do balance.

Gimme Money Plzkthx · Aug 09, 2006, 11:14 PM // 23:14

^what shard said. They need ranked districts, and (rofl) preferably a separate HA for iway. The fact that people need advice like this and have to build friend lists or guilds to get groups illustrates the flaws in GW's "LFG" system (or lack there of).

Guillaume De Sonoma · Aug 10, 2006, 01:02 AM // 01:02

If you want rank just go click on the gaurd of the ilses like 1000 times and after 1000 you'll start to get fame really quickly without even HA'ing. It works I tell ya.

Poison Ivy · Aug 10, 2006, 01:15 AM // 01:15

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Originally Posted by shardfenix

Or arenanet could add ranked districts (a district for all ranks, a rank 3+ district, a rank 6+ district, rank 9+, etc). Every time I go to HA I see all rank 3/6 iway and there's one guy out of 50 who is unranked and wants to do balance.

Totally agrees with this bum.

But come on, were talking about Anet, if this happens, I give out my account

audioaxes · Aug 10, 2006, 06:09 AM // 06:09

Quote:

Originally Posted by fb2000

dont let rank get to you.. it means absolutely nothing.. I used to think wrong when ppl said you can find much better opposition in TA than in HA, but now i know for sure.. today i heard that on a say shock axe warrior, a req7 axe does more dmg than say a req11 one.. the guy went on about what leeeeet sundering he bought.. a r11 player (well, 500fame from r11 or so)..

does sarcasm ring a bell????

Mental Leteci · Aug 10, 2006, 12:07 PM // 12:07

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Originally Posted by audioaxes

does sarcasm ring a bell????

I wouldn't say it was sarcasm,many people think that axe with less req. has more chance to deal critical damage,it's just their stupidity,nothing else.

BTW,problem with getting low ranked people into your guild groups is because not all members in that group want to test other people,they just want to go with safe crew and win without giving a chance to low ranked ones. Once I took low ranked guy into my group,they didn't say anything,they thought he's rank 9+. When they found out he isn't 1st mistake he made they started to whine: "That's when you get rank X guy." When I make mistake like that no1 says anything.

Blow Up Doll · Aug 10, 2006, 12:43 PM // 12:43

[QUOTE=fb2000]today i heard that on a say shock axe warrior, a req7 axe does more dmg than say a req11 one..QUOTE] TBH it is just about understandable why he thought this as it used to be true. Ofc it was changed a long time ago however there are still a resonable number of people (esp. in pve) who don't know this. As far as i remember your crits are based simply on your attributes and as long as you meet the weapon req. you will still do the full damage if you have the req. attrib or 5 over it.

To everyone who says rank is junk... it isn't (in general). There are many players who are resonably ranked and surprisingly bad however in general they will still be better in ha than unranked players.

To start from the beginning is hard but what really is important is to build up a solid friends list.

Blank · Aug 10, 2006, 02:58 PM // 14:58

Yeah whats been said here has worked for me.
On the topic of rank though, i wouldnt say rank = nothing. Especially not with the higher ranks. If i take r3 for example though, it doesnt mean the player is tons better than an unranked player. It just ensures that they know the maps, has the right weapons, skills and attributes.

Elrodien · Aug 10, 2006, 03:14 PM // 15:14

The OP is great advice, I was able to get my rank 3 this way, and although it was a long slog to get there, I couldn't have done it without making some HA pals along the way. I try not to descriminate by rank when building teams (which is rare these days since I HA with an Alliance team now), If someone has the right skill bar, seems like they know what they are doing, they're worth a shot.

You will know after a game or two if they are good enough to keep on your team.