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Old Oct 23, 2006, 11:37 PM // 23:37   #1
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 12:03 AM // 00:03   #2
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Your Eles are going to be screaming for energy, channeling is only useful for spammable 5 energy spells, it wont do much for 15 energy spells

(and if you think investing in e-storage alone will help, just give up now)

marauders shot? put in dual shot with a vamp bow instead, much better
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 12:46 AM // 00:46   #3
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Your Eles are going to be screaming for energy, channeling is only useful for spammable 5 energy spells, it wont do much for 15 energy spells
I disagree. I've ran something similar on a fire ele with just Fire Attunement and Channeling for energy management. Channeling is good no matter the cost of the skills you're using, it's all about the frequency.

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marauders shot? put in dual shot with a vamp bow instead, much better
Marauder's does a little bit more damage.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 02:04 AM // 02:04   #4
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Why does the Woh/Infuse not have Infuse on its bar? o_O
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 03:09 AM // 03:09   #5
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Why does the Woh/Infuse not have Infuse on its bar? o_O
And why RoF?
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 03:25 AM // 03:25   #6
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Why does the Woh/Infuse not have Infuse on its bar? o_O
When I made that guy in GWFreaks he had Infuse and somewhere along the line I changed him from Infuse to Heal Party I guess.

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And why RoF?
Well I wanted him to have something to heal himself with besides Healing Touch. Ethereal Light seems like it's a semi decent skill, but it doesn't really do for a self-heal if you're being targetted. Other than that there aren't any self-target heals in the healing line so I just put points into prot for RoF.

Oh, and Orison doesn't count as a skill.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 04:05 AM // 04:05   #7
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I got shouted at when I said RoF was on my bar as a WoH. D:< that was a long time ago though.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 07:26 AM // 07:26   #8
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1 your ranger should have 16 marks
2 RoF on a healer is stupid
3 change RC to boon prot
4 no BiP for your hp infuser, have fun being dead
5 2 PD, wow what a waste. 1 is enough
6 change one of the eles to Monk secondary for hp spam
7 that build has better chances surving interrupting other ghosts if your ghost died before 2 mins remaining
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 10:40 AM // 10:40   #9
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I disagree. I've ran something similar on a fire ele with just Fire Attunement and Channeling for energy management. Channeling is good no matter the cost of the skills you're using, it's all about the frequency.



Marauder's does a little bit more damage.
Dual shot trips a vamp bow and read the wind twice, thats 18 unconditional damage 50% from the dual, dual shot does more damage
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 11:23 AM // 11:23   #10
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You don't need BiP on a WoH/HP
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 02:31 PM // 14:31   #11
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Drop RoF for infuse plz

And yeah, I think somebody said it already. You should go e/mo for a hp spammer. I understand the point of this build it so have plenty of rupts, but a rupt ranger and TWO pd mez's is kind of overboard. I'd drop a pd and add prodigy for the hp spam.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 04:09 PM // 16:09   #12
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uhhhh wow.... so time to pick this apart....



no melee on the warder... soft targets, the backline is unprotected, you have a ps skeeing ranger AND 2 pd's, thats a complete waste. your spike is LOS only, so walls will own you. there is no degen, no pressure, just spike. prot spirit will kill your spike, rof will screw it up, and the damage is easy to infuse and easy to catch... just watch for the retarded warrior chasing shit.


so yeah, if you can win a batle you may be able to cap and hold, but those pd warders are soft as hell without any melee defense at all. this will get SHREDDED by dual smite.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 04:30 PM // 16:30   #13
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Your build is pro. Is channeling still that good with just 6 people?
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 10:02 PM // 22:02   #14
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Na. It works pretty well with 12 though.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 11:20 PM // 23:20   #15
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1 your ranger should have 16 marks
Disagree, I wouldn't be able to hit the 14 expertise breakpoint without using a major and a superior. And if I did that, I'd have no Signet of Humility.

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2 RoF on a healer is stupid
Why? OH SNAP!

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3 change RC to boon prot
Boon prots are good, but I think RC really takes the cake over them due to the amount of condition builds out there. Not to mention NR.

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4 no BiP for your hp infuser, have fun being dead
I'll just have more fun by finding a monk who isn't horrible.

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5 2 PD, wow what a waste. 1 is enough
I disagree on this as well. Sure in a regular 6v6 Underworld deathmatch one is enough, but once you get to HoH you can hold simply by interupting everything umpteen times.

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6 change one of the eles to Monk secondary for hp spam
HP spam is really good on eles, but unfortunately I'd have to drop PD to do that, and I think that elite would result in more halls wins than Ether Prodigy + Heal Party.

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7 that build has better chances surving interrupting other ghosts if your ghost died before 2 mins remaining
Don't really know what you mean here.

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Dual shot trips a vamp bow and read the wind twice, thats 18 unconditional damage 50% from the dual, dual shot does more damage
Yeah I took that into account, still does less damage.

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Drop RoF for infuse plz
If you could infuse yourself, I would.

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no melee on the warder... soft targets, the backline is unprotected,
The backline is NOT unprotected. You underestimate WaF's ability to mitigate melee damage. Stabil is also really helpful against adren spikes as any good one starts with a knockdown. Also, in the right hands, Windborne can do wonders for your monks. Blinding Flash is also decent enough if you use it disrupt adren spikes.

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you have a ps skeeing ranger AND 2 pd's, thats a complete waste.
That's just for holding.

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your spike is LOS only, so walls will own you.
If you let them, yeah. Just don't spike people behind walls.

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there is no degen
So?

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no pressure
So?

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just spike
So?

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prot spirit will kill your spike
True enough, you just have to play better and it's not really a problem.

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rof will screw it up
It'll help them, but it won't stop the spike by itself.

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and the damage is easy to infuse and easy to catch... just watch for the retarded warrior chasing shit.
Stop playing with shitty warriors.

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Is channeling still that good with just 6 people?
Yes, it is still awesome.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 11:26 PM // 23:26   #16
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Nice build.
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Old Oct 24, 2006, 11:39 PM // 23:39   #17
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these are some of the worst monk bars i have ever seen
even worse than the monk bars that I give to my monks and im the worst monk in this game

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I do like the spike though it was very well done
only thing I would change is this
2nd Ele
Gale - Glyph of Energy - Obsidian Flame - Stoning - Ward Melee - Ward Foes - Earth Attunement - Rez Sig
You dont need PD for every little thing .. gale works jsut as well and you get to have a better elite because of it
Energy Management is easy ebcause you are basically only spiking every 10-15 seconds so while you have used maybe 15 energy for a spike you get 20 back while waiting

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Woh - Dwaynas - Orision - Healing Seed - Inspired Hex - Channeling - Healing Touch - Revealed Hex

RC - Gift of Health - RoF - Mend Ailment - Guardian - Channeling - Inspired Hex - Infuse Health

You basically have a ton of defense right there with those 2 monks with the many hex removal of course and the fact that the energy management of more then enough
with the infuse on the RC you are either healing or you are infusing .. no need for the WOH to infuse then get ready for the next infuse and not have any health

The warrior is kinda lame also
If you want to go for faster spikes use this build
Eviserate - Exectioners - Shock - Frenzy - For Great Justice - Sprint - Distracting Blow - Rez Sig

and I dont know how much health you have on that ranger spiker but it seems to be dual superiors .. which is never a good idea
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Old Oct 25, 2006, 01:59 AM // 01:59   #18
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these are some of the worst monk bars i have ever seen
even worse than the monk bars that I give to my monks and im the worst monk in this game
No. They probably aren't the greatest, but they aren't that bad.

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I do like the spike though it was very well done
only thing I would change is this
2nd Ele
Gale - Glyph of Energy - Obsidian Flame - Stoning - Ward Melee - Ward Foes - Earth Attunement - Rez Sig
You dont need PD for every little thing .. gale works jsut as well and you get to have a better elite because of it
Energy Management is easy ebcause you are basically only spiking every 10-15 seconds so while you have used maybe 15 energy for a spike you get 20 back while waiting
That might not actually be a bad idea. The problem is that you lose one interupt if they throw up a Ward of Stability. You do gain WaM and longer wards but you do less damage

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Monk Change
Woh - Dwaynas - Orision - Healing Seed - Inspired Hex - Channeling - Healing Touch - Revealed Hex
Orison is a horrible skill, and Dwayna's isn't much better. It's especially not that good in this build, with such a scarcity of reliable enchantment. If I had Bonds, or Aegis or Orders then I'd go with Dwayna's.

I don't see the need for three energy management skills, so I'd drop Revealed Hex for something. Heal Party action is key.

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RC - Gift of Health - RoF - Mend Ailment - Guardian - Channeling - Inspired Hex - Infuse Health
Why Infuse on the RC? It seems an odd choice, although not altogether unflattering of a choice. I'll have to think on that...

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The warrior is kinda lame also
If you want to go for faster spikes use this build
Eviserate - Exectioners - Shock - Frenzy - For Great Justice - Sprint - Distracting Blow - Rez Sig
The Warrior posted if flawless and beyond improvement.

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and I dont know how much health you have on that ranger spiker but it seems to be dual superiors .. which is never a good idea
It's two majors actually. Helm + Major expertise for a +3, and a Major marks for the +2.

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Old Oct 25, 2006, 02:13 AM // 02:13   #19
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even worse than the monk bars that I give to my monks and im the worst monk in this game
I love how awesomely self-owning this is.

Vindexus, have you tested this? Is the LS afterspike really necessary?
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Old Oct 25, 2006, 02:53 AM // 02:53   #20
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I love how awesomely self-owning this is.

Vindexus, have you tested this? Is the LS afterspike really necessary?
heh whatever im not a good monk
im only good at offense and I never play defense ... ever
I only know the up to date monk bars (since the begining) and I dont think that I would be able to make anything much better than that.. other than maybe throwing in a Hex Breaker onthe monks
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